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14 Jul 2018 19:45

Dragontearz wrote:https://twitter.com/bjmackay638/status/1018148124643217408


He might have just spun the cranks to put bike in lower gear for restart
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14 Jul 2018 21:10

Thats some wimpy motor given it didn't move at all after he put the back down..
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15 Jul 2018 00:01

hazaran wrote:Thats some wimpy motor given it didn't move at all after he put the back down..


Noted the same. If it was a motor the bike would have moved forward when the wheel hit he ground. This one is fake news.
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15 Jul 2018 21:31

Not sure if anyone has seen the Tom Skujins crash today on stage 9 of TDF. He gets up turns his bike around and the wheel is spinning like a bat out of hell...
Looking for a video of this.....suspect?
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15 Jul 2018 21:40

At 21:54 into the LA podcast you can watch this over and over....no way a wheel spins that fast from moving the cranks to get the chain back onhttps://

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhKqP-JuJ_E
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Re: Re:

15 Jul 2018 21:51

macbindle wrote:
Dragontearz wrote:https://twitter.com/bjmackay638/status/1018148124643217408


He might have just spun the cranks to put bike in lower gear for restart


Please watch it carefully:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlQ1c3hF64w/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1n8d8ntrmmy54

you can clearly see, that the cranks moves just about 1/4 of the circle, not more, it is not explanation, he clearly did not move the cranks to shift ....
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16 Jul 2018 02:38

lartiste wrote:
macbindle wrote:
Dragontearz wrote:https://twitter.com/bjmackay638/status/1018148124643217408


He might have just spun the cranks to put bike in lower gear for restart


Please watch it carefully:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BlQ1c3hF64w/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1n8d8ntrmmy54

you can clearly see, that the cranks moves just about 1/4 of the circle, not more, it is not explanation, he clearly did not move the cranks to shift ....


There had to have been force applied to the pedals for the crank to continue to spin like that. He clearly was either putting his chain back on or changing gears before the video starts.

This is a big nothing.
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16 Jul 2018 07:39

^^how can you deduce anything from that? It's more than likely he lifted the seat. spun the cranks with his foot/hand first to get it into gear. I've done that when I've crashed or had to start again on a steep hill.
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16 Jul 2018 08:39

I saw this on television and the first thing I thought was: "The Clinic must be going crazy by now already" :lol:
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16 Jul 2018 10:06

Unless you can see what the video misses, pure guess. I would assume he spun up the cassette after wheel change in the usual way and just carried the bike around.
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16 Jul 2018 10:59

Put his chain back on and spun the crank with his hand

Video from another angle
https://twitter.com/TomEnthoven/status/1018751837766340608
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16 Jul 2018 13:07

If we're going to believe in conspiracy theories, then let's play with this one: videos like this Toms Skujiņš one seem to be promoted in order to discredit the belief that motors are in use, or have ever been in use. What's LA doing in his spodcast? Is he just throwing shade at Trek, for whom Skujiņš rides? Or is he also throwing shade at those who say he used a motor?
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Re: Re:

16 Jul 2018 14:44

thehog wrote:
hazaran wrote:Thats some wimpy motor given it didn't move at all after he put the back down..


Noted the same. If it was a motor the bike would have moved forward when the wheel hit he ground. This one is fake news.

It is still hard to believe it can move that way. What is the explanation?
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16 Jul 2018 16:45

Escarabajo wrote:
thehog wrote:
hazaran wrote:Thats some wimpy motor given it didn't move at all after he put the back down..


Noted the same. If it was a motor the bike would have moved forward when the wheel hit he ground. This one is fake news.

It is still hard to believe it can move that way. What is the explanation?
He hand cranked his chain onto the ring, swings the bike to the pavement, wheel still spinning and drops it. Pretty common.
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16 Jul 2018 16:53

Never saw a team of riders miss braking points in so many corners like the white whales yesterday
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16 Jul 2018 20:37

HelmutRoole wrote:
Escarabajo wrote:
thehog wrote:
hazaran wrote:Thats some wimpy motor given it didn't move at all after he put the back down..


Noted the same. If it was a motor the bike would have moved forward when the wheel hit he ground. This one is fake news.

It is still hard to believe it can move that way. What is the explanation?
He hand cranked his chain onto the ring, swings the bike to the pavement, wheel still spinning and drops it. Pretty common.

Oh. Ok. I guess I've done it but not like that. But I understand now.

La Flor those videos are always block in my computer. I wonder if there is another source somewhere else.
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16 Jul 2018 20:57

Billie wrote:Never saw a team of riders miss braking points in so many corners like the white whales yesterday
Saw that too but it’s a GT squad on a flat World Cup course.
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Re: Re:

16 Jul 2018 20:59

Escarabajo wrote:
HelmutRoole wrote:
Escarabajo wrote:
thehog wrote:
hazaran wrote:Thats some wimpy motor given it didn't move at all after he put the back down..


Noted the same. If it was a motor the bike would have moved forward when the wheel hit he ground. This one is fake news.

It is still hard to believe it can move that way. What is the explanation?
He hand cranked his chain onto the ring, swings the bike to the pavement, wheel still spinning and drops it. Pretty common.

Oh. Ok. I guess I've done it but not like that. But I understand now.

Not say there’s no motor doping. Riders have been caught so there is; how pervasive is the question.
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Re: Motor doping thread

16 Jul 2018 21:38

Just goes to show how badly people want there to be motor doping to highlight something with an incredibly obvious explanation.

What was even more bizzare was Armstrong on his podcast couldn't make sense that someone would lift their bike up when they put the chain on and spin the cranks. He was baffled. :rolleyes:
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16 Jul 2018 22:19

My mistake, you are clearly correct guys.

deValtos:

You can trust me, that I really do not want motor in the race since it would mean destruction of my loved sport. On the other hand there is no explanation for some performances ... .
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