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09 Apr 2018 17:41

El Pistolero wrote:You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.


That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
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Re: Sagan Clean?

09 Apr 2018 18:30

I really hope he is clean!
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09 Apr 2018 19:25

Blanco wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.


That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...

Here we were thinking hell was for the unbelievers; turns out it's filled to the brim with professional sporters.
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09 Apr 2018 20:00

Blanco wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.


That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
they didn't almost kill their team-mates with disgusting experiments. Also where's your proof against some of the mentioned names? Yet you claim Valverde is clean LOL. You're delusional.
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09 Apr 2018 20:26

El Pistolero wrote:
Blanco wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.


That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
they didn't almost kill their team-mates with disgusting experiments. Also where's your proof against some of the mentioned names? Yet you claim Valverde is clean LOL. You're delusional.


Nor did Valverde.
I don't need proofs, I'm not a prosecutor. Common sense leads to that "proofs". Nibali worked and is still working with Il dottore Michelle Ferrari. Gilbert rediscovered his 2009-2011 form when reunited with Ibarguren. And do you really think Boonen was only on cocaine?
And I'm not claiming Valverde is clean.
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09 Apr 2018 21:09

Blanco wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:
Blanco wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.


That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
they didn't almost kill their team-mates with disgusting experiments. Also where's your proof against some of the mentioned names? Yet you claim Valverde is clean LOL. You're delusional.


Nor did Valverde.
I don't need proofs, I'm not a prosecutor. Common sense leads to that "proofs". Nibali worked and is still working with Il dottore Michelle Ferrari. Gilbert rediscovered his 2009-2011 form when reunited with Ibarguren. And do you really think Boonen was only on cocaine?
And I'm not claiming Valverde is clean.
and now Nibali is still working with Ferarri lmao? Even if he's doping nobody would be that stupid to still work with him as just being seen with him can get you banned these days. As I said, you're completely delusional and in denial. Valverde was one of the leaders at Kelme, he's guilty and the fact you still suck up to him makes you deplorable.
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09 Apr 2018 23:12

Hold up a second, sunshine. You seem to be confused as to the location of the Valverde thread, as lately you've just coming in swinging at him in a number of threads in the hope that you've found the right one. But this is the Sagan thread. This is my turf. I'm the one that runs the vendetta round here, kiddo. Don't make me dust off my Rock impressions again.
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09 Apr 2018 23:28

Libertine Seguros wrote:Hold up a second, sunshine. You seem to be confused as to the location of the Valverde thread, as lately you've just coming in swinging at him in a number of threads in the hope that you've found the right one. But this is the Sagan thread. This is my turf. I'm the one that runs the vendetta round here, kiddo. Don't make me dust off my Rock impressions again.


Obviously he hates Valverde and wants to make that clear apparently in all threads.
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10 Apr 2018 02:19

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Libertine Seguros wrote:Hold up a second, sunshine. You seem to be confused as to the location of the Valverde thread, as lately you've just coming in swinging at him in a number of threads in the hope that you've found the right one. But this is the Sagan thread. This is my turf. I'm the one that runs the vendetta round here, kiddo. Don't make me dust off my Rock impressions again.


Obviously he hates Valverde and wants to make that clear apparently in all threads.


Yes and others love Valverde and want to make that clear in apparently all the threads. It evens its self out I'd say.

That said. Nope he's dirty.
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10 Apr 2018 06:33

Libertine Seguros wrote:Hold up a second, sunshine. You seem to be confused as to the location of the Valverde thread, as lately you've just coming in swinging at him in a number of threads in the hope that you've found the right one. But this is the Sagan thread. This is my turf. I'm the one that runs the vendetta round here, kiddo. Don't make me dust off my Rock impressions again.

I wasn't the one that brought Valverde into this discussion. It's other people that keep bringing him up in unrelated threads, so I retaliate. I agree it's annoying, but when someone uses Valverde as an example of clean cycling I just have to respond.
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10 Apr 2018 06:47

But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.
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10 Apr 2018 07:44

Blanco wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:
Blanco wrote:
El Pistolero wrote:You'd guess wrong then. Doping is prevalent in the U23 categories as well. And no, he wasn't required to dope, he made that decision himself. His results mean nothing as he wouldn't have won a fraction of the races he won as a pro if he was clean. Kelme was one of the most disgusting teams to ever exist, using domestiques as guinny pigs nearly killing at least one of them. If hell exists Valverde will burn for his sins, along with all the others who were responsible in maintaining that doping culture + omerta.


That will include Contador, Nibali, Gilbert and Boonen for example...
they didn't almost kill their team-mates with disgusting experiments. Also where's your proof against some of the mentioned names? Yet you claim Valverde is clean LOL. You're delusional.


Nor did Valverde.
I don't need proofs, I'm not a prosecutor. Common sense leads to that "proofs". Nibali worked and is still working with Il dottore Michelle Ferrari. Gilbert rediscovered his 2009-2011 form when reunited with Ibarguren. And do you really think Boonen was only on cocaine?
And I'm not claiming Valverde is clean.
Valverde riding for a dirty team is way more suspicious than Boonen having one of the biggest dopers of the quintessential doping era as a personal mentor, didn't you know?
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10 Apr 2018 16:25

Libertine Seguros wrote:But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.


ignorant and condescending :lol:

no wonder this thread isnt going anywhere
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10 Apr 2018 17:04

saganftw wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.


ignorant and condescending :lol:

no wonder this thread isnt going anywhere

I thought the tone of the first post made it pretty self-evident that, whether or not anybody found it amusing, I was gently joshing Pisti with some self-aware humour mainly at the expense of my own bias, but clearly I overestimated.

But since Sagan's brand of humour is more along the Dude, Where's My Car? lines, perhaps that shouldn't surprise me.
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10 Apr 2018 17:13

Dude, you forgot to plaster your post with emojis. Impossible to get a correct read on it then.
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Re: Re:

10 Apr 2018 18:28

Libertine Seguros wrote:
saganftw wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.


ignorant and condescending :lol:

no wonder this thread isnt going anywhere

I thought the tone of the first post made it pretty self-evident that, whether or not anybody found it amusing, I was gently joshing Pisti with some self-aware humour mainly at the expense of my own bias, but clearly I overestimated.

But since Sagan's brand of humour is more along the Dude, Where's My Car? lines, perhaps that shouldn't surprise me.

That film is misunderstood. It's a very clever exploration of hedonism and epistomology, I won't hear a word against it.
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12 Apr 2018 10:35

saganftw wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:But in this thread Valverde was introduced as the counter-example to the idea that those who are good all year round are less suspicious than those who super-peak, and that line of conversation ended back in November.

This is one of the few threads on the board where a counter-opinion on Peter Sagan is allowed by his minions, therefore we shouldn't be wasting this opportunity by getting sidetracked.


ignorant and condescending :lol:

no wonder this thread isnt going anywhere


Thank you for saying this. LS, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts as you have a depth of knowledge rivalled by few others. Please don’t sink to the level of the trolls.
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12 Apr 2018 11:36

Weird, I keep clicking on this thread to read about Sagan. Maybe next week.
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12 Apr 2018 12:27

red_flanders wrote:Weird, I keep clicking on this thread to read about Sagan. Maybe next week.

This year he was arguably the worst he's been since Tinkoff criticised him after the spring of 2015. Let's wait until he wins the Amstel on sunday, then we'll have something new to talk about.
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12 Apr 2018 14:18

Gung Ho Gun wrote:
red_flanders wrote:Weird, I keep clicking on this thread to read about Sagan. Maybe next week.

This year he was arguably the worst he's been since Tinkoff criticised him after the spring of 2015. Let's wait until he wins the Amstel on sunday, then we'll have something new to talk about.


Have we been watching the same races? Won GW and Roubaix fairly convincely. He wasn’t quite his top form in still Flanders but still looked better than most aside from Terpstra.
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