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Re: Russian Insider Says State-Run Doping Fueled Olympic Gol

17 May 2016 20:50

Justice Department looking into it.

The United States Department of Justice has opened an investigation into state-sponsored doping by dozens of Russia’s top athletes, according to two people familiar with the case. The inquiry escalates what has been a roiling sports controversy into a federal criminal case involving foreign officials.

The United States attorney’s office for the Eastern District of New York is scrutinizing Russian government officials, athletes, coaches, antidoping authorities and anyone who might have benefited unfairly from a doping regime, according to the people, who did not have authorization to speak about the inquiry publicly. Prosecutors are believed to be pursuing conspiracy and fraud charges.

Federal courts have allowed prosecutors to bring cases against foreigners living abroad if there is some connection to the United States. That connection can be limited, such as the use of an American bank.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/sports/olympics/justice-department-russia-doping-investigation.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
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17 May 2016 22:53

1. This is definitely political but what is being uncovered is very bad.
2. There is a difference between doping in a way that beats the testing and doping knowing that a positive will be covered up. This gave the Russian athletes a bigger advantage from doping.
3. I am sure other ADA's around the world are protecting their own as well but that is less useful than what the Russian did.
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Re: Russian Insider Says State-Run Doping Fueled Olympic Gol

17 May 2016 23:17

gooner wrote:Justice Department looking into it.

The United States Department of Justice has opened an investigation into state-sponsored doping by dozens of Russia’s top athletes, according to two people familiar with the case. The inquiry escalates what has been a roiling sports controversy into a federal criminal case involving foreign officials.

The United States attorney’s office for the Eastern District of New York is scrutinizing Russian government officials, athletes, coaches, antidoping authorities and anyone who might have benefited unfairly from a doping regime, according to the people, who did not have authorization to speak about the inquiry publicly. Prosecutors are believed to be pursuing conspiracy and fraud charges.

Federal courts have allowed prosecutors to bring cases against foreigners living abroad if there is some connection to the United States. That connection can be limited, such as the use of an American bank.


http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/18/sports/olympics/justice-department-russia-doping-investigation.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0



The US government is getting involved in this!?!? LMFAO. Team America: World Police Part Deux!! Who is going to investigate US doping coverups by the USOC?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/17/sports/olympics-anti-doping-official-says-us-covered-up.html

And here is Exum:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F04etMA6bgk

It's fairly obvious now that the USA is frustrated that Russia hasn't been banned from Rio yet, so they are just trying to speed things up themselves and finish the job. Just like the FIFA raids a few months ago. You can be sure that they'll speed up the process on the 2018 world cup too. Will probably give that to England and will probably take 2022 to the US. Or vice versa. Politics out of sports? When was the last time that happened? Rodchenkov is partying now with some money in his pockets and nice weather down on the Redondo Beach in LA.
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17 May 2016 23:21

TheGreenMonkey wrote:1. This is definitely political but what is being uncovered is very bad.
2. There is a difference between doping in a way that beats the testing and doping knowing that a positive will be covered up. This gave the Russian athletes a bigger advantage from doping.
3. I am sure other ADA's around the world are protecting their own as well but that is less useful than what the Russian did.



If the Russians did do this, well, it's home cooking, isn't it? It's you home games, you know the ins and outs, hometown volunteers, etc.
Covering up positives is nothing new.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F04etMA6bgk

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/17/sports/olympics-anti-doping-official-says-us-covered-up.html

Lance Armstrong had numerous tests covered up. I am fairly certain most people in the clinic knew that.
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Re: Russian Insider Says State-Run Doping Fueled Olympic Gol

17 May 2016 23:33

Last part of Victor Conte's interview on ABC. You'll see the rest of the parts (there's 5 total) on the related videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d43xFW8oCKE
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Re: Russian Insider Says State-Run Doping Fueled Olympic Gol

13 Dec 2016 06:00

MOSCOW (AP) — Russia's doping cover-up went far beyond the Olympics, according to a vast archive of emails released by a World Anti-Doping Agency investigator.

Besides the 12 medal winners from the 2014 Winter Olympics whose samples were supposedly tampered with, messages show a system which covered up drug use by blind athletes and children as young as 15.

In 2015, a year after the Olympics, Russia's top doping scientist, Grigory Rodchenkov, complained that the scheme Richard McLaren termed the "disappearing positive methodology" had grown so large it was covering for doping — and apparent abuse of power — in disabled sports.

Five blind athletes in powerlifting, a form of weightlifting, had tested positive for the banned steroid methandienone at the same training camp. Rodchenkov suspected unscrupulous coaches eager for medals were doping the athletes without their knowledge.

"It's a disgrace," Rodchenkov wrote to Alexei Velikodny of Russian state's Sports Training Center. The coaches were "picking on the blind (who) can't even see what people are giving them."


https://apnews.com/8be9cb7fcb5b4d65b1031597bb9f9e5e/Emails-show-how-Russian-officials-covered-up-mass-doping?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP_Sports
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13 Dec 2016 11:30

The poor Russian bastards with their old school doping schemes. Sapstead, Reedie, Cookson and Coe are laughing their socks off.
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13 Dec 2016 12:11

Jagartrott wrote:The Russian secret service changed 'hot' samples with clean ones (taken months earlier) via a hole in the wall.
Sounds like a B-movie from the 80s or something.
*cue synthesizer music*


wahaha, precisely B-pr0n

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13 Dec 2016 12:15

I just knew with this important news, that someone would bring it back to Britain.

Yawn.
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13 Dec 2016 12:22

gooner wrote:I just knew with this important news, that someone would bring it back to Britain.

Yawn.
This is a bit like if we'd hear more details about USPS doping.
And more...
And still more...Yawn indeed.
I mean it's probably kind of semi-interesting for the fanatics, to have a laugh, or simply to update Dopeology.org.
But "important news"? It's not even news.
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13 Dec 2016 12:37

sniper wrote:
gooner wrote:I just knew with this important news, that someone would bring it back to Britain.

Yawn.
This is a bit like if we'd hear more details about USPS doping.
And more...
And still more...Yawn indeed.
I mean it's probably kind of semi-interesting for the fanatics, to have a laugh, or simply to update Dopeology.org.
But "important news"? It's not even news.


This not important. It's disgraceful as he admitted.

Besides the 12 medal winners from the 2014 Winter Olympics whose samples were supposedly tampered with, messages show a system which covered up drug use by blind athletes and children as young as 15.


Five blind athletes in powerlifting, a form of weightlifting, had tested positive for the banned steroid methandienone at the same training camp. Rodchenkov suspected unscrupulous coaches eager for medals were doping the athletes without their knowledge.

"It's a disgrace," Rodchenkov wrote to Alexei Velikodny of Russian state's Sports Training Center. The coaches were "picking on the blind (who) can't even see what people are giving them."


But it's only deemed important if it's British related.

The amount of times I have seen this over the last few days.
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13 Dec 2016 12:47

This is getting ridiculous. The thread is specifically about state sponsored doping in Russia and, surprise, surprise, as soon as there is a development to be discussed the off-topic posting about Sky and Britain begins.
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13 Dec 2016 12:57

King Boonen wrote:This is getting ridiculous. The thread is specifically about state sponsored doping in Russia and, surprise, surprise, as soon as there is a development to be discussed the off-topic posting about Sky and Britain begins.

Good point. UK is mosl likely only involved with the cover up, not the actual doping.
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13 Dec 2016 13:10

gooner wrote:
sniper wrote:
gooner wrote:I just knew with this important news, that someone would bring it back to Britain.

Yawn.
This is a bit like if we'd hear more details about USPS doping.
And more...
And still more...Yawn indeed.
I mean it's probably kind of semi-interesting for the fanatics, to have a laugh, or simply to update Dopeology.org.
But "important news"? It's not even news.


This not important. It's disgraceful as he admitted.

Besides the 12 medal winners from the 2014 Winter Olympics whose samples were supposedly tampered with, messages show a system which covered up drug use by blind athletes and children as young as 15.


Five blind athletes in powerlifting, a form of weightlifting, had tested positive for the banned steroid methandienone at the same training camp. Rodchenkov suspected unscrupulous coaches eager for medals were doping the athletes without their knowledge.

"It's a disgrace," Rodchenkov wrote to Alexei Velikodny of Russian state's Sports Training Center. The coaches were "picking on the blind (who) can't even see what people are giving them."


But it's only deemed important if it's British related.

The amount of times I have seen this over the last few days.

You didn't know that this was happening? Well in that case, yes, I suppose you must be shocked.

To me it's a bit like finding out that women and children are being abused by soldiers in war zones.
Yes, it's terrible, yes it's shocking, but is it news?

More generally, if you are not the least bit alarmed or annoyed by the vast amount of Russia bashing by people who themselves claim to be squeeky clean...
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Re: Russian Insider Says State-Run Doping Fueled Olympic Gol

13 Dec 2016 15:30

MOSCOW (AP) — The IAAF may reanalyze Russian samples from the 2014 world indoor track championships over suspicions that athletes who failed doping tests were allowed to compete.

Messages between then-Moscow laboratory director Grigory Rodchenkov and Sports Ministry official Alexei Velikodny, released on Friday as part of World Anti-Doping Agency investigator Richard McLaren's report into Russian doping, show eight athletes gave suspicious samples the week before they were to travel to the competition in Sopot, Poland.

The samples collected at the national training base near Moscow included three with unusually high testosterone levels, four containing the anabolic agent ostarine, and one containing both ostarine and the banned steroid turinabol.

All were given "save" orders by Velikodny — the command which meant a suspicious sample should be recorded as clean. Rodchenkov, however, responded that some cases would have to be reported positive.


http://www.newser.com/article/3bbb04032ce641cd8bbe509ac6778e85/iaaf-to-look-into-2014-world-indoors-for-russian-doping.html
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13 Dec 2016 16:18

King Boonen wrote:This is getting ridiculous. The thread is specifically about state sponsored doping in Russia and, surprise, surprise, as soon as there is a development to be discussed the off-topic posting about Sky and Britain begins.


You deal realise that one of the enablers was Craig Reddie head of WADA, do you think it was only Russians he was allowing to dope? Not his own countrymen and women?
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13 Dec 2016 16:30

thehog wrote:
King Boonen wrote:This is getting ridiculous. The thread is specifically about state sponsored doping in Russia and, surprise, surprise, as soon as there is a development to be discussed the off-topic posting about Sky and Britain begins.


You deal realise that one of the enablers was Craig Reddie head of WADA, do you think it was only Russians he was allowing to dope? Not his own countrymen and women?


If you want to discuss other nations doping go to a different thread. There are plenty available.
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13 Dec 2016 16:41

thehog wrote:
King Boonen wrote:This is getting ridiculous. The thread is specifically about state sponsored doping in Russia and, surprise, surprise, as soon as there is a development to be discussed the off-topic posting about Sky and Britain begins.


You deal realise that one of the enablers was Craig Reddie head of WADA, do you think it was only Russians he was allowing to dope? Not his own countrymen and women?

Another one directly involved in the cover up was Martial Saucy. Not to mention Papa. And that french guy Gabriel Dolle.
It makes one wonder, is State-run doping an accurate denomination here?
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Re: Russian Insider Says State-Run Doping Fueled Olympic Gol

13 Dec 2016 17:20

Wishful thinking but the World Cup should be next.

Sochi has been stripped of the International Bobsleigh and Skeleton Federation (IBSF) World Championships today, with another location "to be determined" in coming days.

In a statement this evening, the IBSF Executive Committee felt that "during this difficult time it is prudent not to organise such an event in Russia".

The decision was made to "allow athletes and coaches from all nations to participate in a competition that focuses on sport rather than accusations and discussions - whether justified or not".

They added that the Russian Bobsleigh Federation has put a "great effort" in the preparation of the World Championships, but that the "current climate would make it nearly impossible to appreciate the efforts of the Organising Committee to host a great event or the quality of the Sanki Sliding Center as one of the best tracks in the world".

The decision comes after South Korea, Germany and Austria joined Latvia and athletes in Britain and United States in calling for the event to be moved from Sochi in response to evidence of state sponsored Russian doping.

Last week's McLaren Report produced damning evidence of a doping manipulation scheme in which more than 1,000 Russian athletes are thought to have been implicated at events including the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympic Games.

Latvia, home of the Olympic silver medallist and world champion Martins Dukurs, had already withdrawn from skeleton events.

American athletes and Britain's reigning Olympic skeleton champion Lizzy Yarnold were others to have called for a similar move from their countries.


http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1044780/sochi-stripped-of-international-bobsleigh-and-skeleton-federation-world-championships
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13 Dec 2016 19:24

King Boonen wrote:
thehog wrote:
King Boonen wrote:This is getting ridiculous. The thread is specifically about state sponsored doping in Russia and, surprise, surprise, as soon as there is a development to be discussed the off-topic posting about Sky and Britain begins.


You deal realise that one of the enablers was Craig Reddie head of WADA, do you think it was only Russians he was allowing to dope? Not his own countrymen and women?


If you want to discuss other nations doping go to a different thread. There are plenty available.


You'll have to excuse me but when Fancy Bear began leaking information you were telling everyone not to have a Fancy Bears thread, so I take what you say with the proverbial grain of salt.

Reedie and Coe enabling Russian doping is much a part of the story as the Russians actually doping. They are not separate aspect, one doesn't exist without the other.
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