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29 May 2018 17:57

Fearless Greg Lemond wrote:
macbindle wrote:
Fearless Greg Lemond wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:
macbindle wrote:Zulle was a 2 time Giro winner. Yates is a newb.

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Do you even know what 'doing a Zulle' means?


In the context of the discussion about Yates being in pink then completely cracking? Zulle did much the same. The difference being that Yates is up and coming, whereas Zulle was already a double GT champion.

If you meant something else then, please, enlighten us...
So you have absolutlly no idea.

I will give the great and one and only forum member Libertine Seguros the stage to tell you what doing a Zulle means. If she is up for it of course. Given the masterclass she gave the other day on Froomey /Sky I have all faith she can enlighten the unenlightened.


What a complete sh**post. OK, I'm an idiot, what IS doing a Zulle? Being nabbed by the flics during a grand tour? I think you have no idea either but want to sit at the cool kids' table.
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29 May 2018 18:26

Going full retard on the Dufaux medicine, flying so close to the sun that the wings melt before the Giro is over.
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29 May 2018 18:37

Voet said that Zülle od'ed on cortisone. I dunno, I am not going to pretend that this is how should look, but I've always found it strange that a rider coming from Once with plenty of GT success is going to suddenly overuse cortisone just because allegedly he saw it work for Dufaux.
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29 May 2018 22:36

The Hegelian wrote:He played his trump card to perfection and obviously he didn't think he would explode, or at least, not to that extent. But who is to know what a 25 year old can or can't do the first time they properly contend for a GT win?


Before EPO, they'd podium. Lemond getting third as an assistant. Fignon WON his first grand tour.

EPO changed that and there has been no putting the genie back in the bottle.
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29 May 2018 23:22

roundabout wrote:Voet said that Zülle od'ed on cortisone. I dunno, I am not going to pretend that this is how should look, but I've always found it strange that a rider coming from Once with plenty of GT success is going to suddenly overuse cortisone just because allegedly he saw it work for Dufaux.


the goal was to beat Pantani or die trying
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30 May 2018 06:21

DirtyWorks wrote:
The Hegelian wrote:He played his trump card to perfection and obviously he didn't think he would explode, or at least, not to that extent. But who is to know what a 25 year old can or can't do the first time they properly contend for a GT win?


Before EPO, they'd podium. Lemond getting third as an assistant. Fignon WON his first grand tour.

EPO changed that and there has been no putting the genie back in the bottle.


May his memory be a blessing, but I wouldn't be citing Fignon as an example of clean riding. (though, of course, EPO is a giant step over cortisone)
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Re: Re:

30 May 2018 06:26

zlev11 wrote:
roundabout wrote:Voet said that Zülle od'ed on cortisone. I dunno, I am not going to pretend that this is how should look, but I've always found it strange that a rider coming from Once with plenty of GT success is going to suddenly overuse cortisone just because allegedly he saw it work for Dufaux.


the goal was to beat Pantani or die trying


I went back and read some of Zulle's testimony to the Lille police in the Festina case. Wow. Either he was more honest than others, or he's lucky to be alive:

Zulle: I acknowledge having made use of EPO for about 4 years ... The first time, I was riding for the Spanish team ONCE. I used these drugs for each important race such as the Tour de France, the Giro, the Spanish Tour, having two injections of EPO 2000 per week, for about 3-4 weeks before each race and for the duration of the race ... While I was part of the ONCE team, this practice of using EPO operated in the same way, and I can say that the 20 or so riders consumed EPO under the control of Drs Terrados and another one called José ... I can't prove it but I think that these days you can find EPO in all the big teams ...

In today's cycling races, every rider knows that if they don't use EPO, they'll be left behind ... . For the first time, during the Tour de France this year, I took growth hormones as well as EPO ... It was Dr Rijkaert who gave me every two days during the first week of the Tour, a dose of growth hormones that I injected myself ...
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Re: Re:

30 May 2018 08:47

Bolder wrote:
zlev11 wrote:
roundabout wrote:Voet said that Zülle od'ed on cortisone. I dunno, I am not going to pretend that this is how should look, but I've always found it strange that a rider coming from Once with plenty of GT success is going to suddenly overuse cortisone just because allegedly he saw it work for Dufaux.


the goal was to beat Pantani or die trying


I went back and read some of Zulle's testimony to the Lille police in the Festina case. Wow. Either he was more honest than others, or he's lucky to be alive:

Zulle: I acknowledge having made use of EPO for about 4 years ... The first time, I was riding for the Spanish team ONCE. I used these drugs for each important race such as the Tour de France, the Giro, the Spanish Tour, having two injections of EPO 2000 per week, for about 3-4 weeks before each race and for the duration of the race ... While I was part of the ONCE team, this practice of using EPO operated in the same way, and I can say that the 20 or so riders consumed EPO under the control of Drs Terrados and another one called José ... I can't prove it but I think that these days you can find EPO in all the big teams ...

In today's cycling races, every rider knows that if they don't use EPO, they'll be left behind ... . For the first time, during the Tour de France this year, I took growth hormones as well as EPO ... It was Dr Rijkaert who gave me every two days during the first week of the Tour, a dose of growth hormones that I injected myself ...


To the bold comment...how so?
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Re: Re:

30 May 2018 09:44

fmk_RoI wrote:
King Boonen wrote:
Koronin wrote:
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Koronin wrote:Add that Pinot also has ended up in the hospital.
Is that an argument for or against not doping? Whichever: Mauro Gianetti.


With Pinot I tend to think he's not doping as much as many of the others and his trip to the hospital to me adds to that. To me this would lead to the belief that peloton is cleaner than previously, although not clean. If that makes any sense.

Funny thing is, if it were Froome or Yates I’d guess the assumption from many would be a bad blood bag...
That does seem to be the problem here. Our mind is made up before these things happen, when they do, they just confirm what we think. We choose to ignore history for some and call it out as proof for others.

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30 May 2018 10:14

I think perhaps some posters forget that there is a bike race going on, as well as a bit of doping ;)
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30 May 2018 10:31

macbindle wrote:I think perhaps some posters forget that there is a bike race going on, as well as a bit of doping ;)

Bike race? Didn't watch it :)
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01 Jun 2018 07:51

macbindle wrote:I think perhaps some posters forget that there is a bike race going on, as well as a bit of doping ;)


Ha -- like that old saw "I went to the fights and a hockey game broke out."

But if you want to comment on the racing, there's another thread for that...
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11 Sep 2018 15:32

Wowza... Now Yates is doing almost as good as Valverde on the TT? Haha
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11 Sep 2018 16:58

All aboard the TUE TUE train
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11 Sep 2018 17:50

can't believe he beat Valverde in a ITT. Yates can now TT is starting to look really good! Maybe Simon and Adam are just pretending to be each other and switching so one of them can rest lol
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11 Sep 2018 22:26

gmedina wrote:can't believe he beat Valverde in a ITT. Yates can now TT is starting to look really good! Maybe Simon and Adam are just pretending to be each other and switching so one of them can rest lol


You beat me to it. Was going to say the same thing.
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Re: Re:

11 Sep 2018 22:41

Maybe British Cycling is using some of its "resources" on Simon in preparation for worlds?
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Re:

12 Sep 2018 11:50

gmedina wrote:Wowza... Now Yates is doing almost as good as Valverde on the TT? Haha


Gained 51 whole seconds on MAL - super sketchy
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12 Sep 2018 12:10

Is Simon Yates going to join Sky?
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13 Sep 2018 08:36

Simon can't obviously, but Adam could.
Adam didn't go through the British Cycling & Road Academy System though like Simon did, so he might not feel any affiliation with Sky & Brailsford. Adam came through Dave Raynor fund using the French Amateur System with UVCA Troyes & CC Etupes to turn pro like David Millar essentially.
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