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More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky)

18 Jul 2016 19:49

Rolland joins the chorus... I think some of the riders and LeMond are getting fed up with the absurdity of it all...

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18 Jul 2016 19:54

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18 Jul 2016 20:09

Haha those frenchies should train harder, start warming down and most importantly stop being so lazy. Sour grapes!
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18 Jul 2016 20:21

SeriousSam wrote:Haha those frenchies should train harder, start warming down and most importantly stop being so lazy. Sour grapes!


Rolland even with his new JV 21st century-new era training can't hand on to the Sky train... sad days :cool:
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18 Jul 2016 22:26

Swear Valverde said it was less than that might be in a different thread. To be fair Rolland looks like he is getting dropped way before they would reach that level unless they do it from the first 2km of every climb
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18 Jul 2016 22:47

"Inhumane pace!" <- a gazillion riders manage to follow

Eh, does not compute.
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18 Jul 2016 23:32

hrotha wrote:"Inhumane pace!" <- a gazillion riders manage to follow

Eh, does not compute.


agree

what they say is they can't attack when that pace is so high
but yes, if it was inhuman, they would be left behind one by one. instead the group on Lacets, when Bardet attacked, was still quite big
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19 Jul 2016 00:00

pastronef wrote:
hrotha wrote:"Inhumane pace!" <- a gazillion riders manage to follow

Eh, does not compute.


agree

what they say is they can't attack when that pace is so high
but yes, if it was inhuman, they would be left behind one by one. instead the group on Lacets, when Bardet attacked, was still quite big


When they can/cannot attack is immaterial. I didn't see anything on Sunday that suggests sky is under any pressure, at all.

Do we need to link to the EPO video greatest hits, again?

BTW, not a direct response to you, just a comment.
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19 Jul 2016 01:17

Astana don't agree. On Sunday they sat on the front and upped the pace shelling people off the back.
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19 Jul 2016 01:31

adamfo wrote:Astana don't agree. On Sunday they sat on the front and upped the pace shelling people off the back.


And how did that work out for Astana? Zilch. They have been basically anonymous in this Tour. Yes, the same Astana Walsh was calling out in 2015. Except Landa of course who now rides for Sky at 440 watts for 70km but that's ok because Brailsford looked him in the eyes & could tell he is clean.

The point being, no one can make an attack stick longer than 30 secomds before they are reeled in - Bardet, Quintana, Valverde nothing. Riders like Rolland are just hanging on for dear life and dropping because of the Sky train.
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19 Jul 2016 02:41

Froomes attack sticks. It stuck at Ventoux. I'm sure if Quintana gives it a nice go, it'll stick. Even Ritchie.
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19 Jul 2016 04:55

Froome wasn't on his own when he attacked on the Ventoux. The top riders were with him. You'd expect top riders to be top riders, no?

By what means they got there is another question, but Froome, Porte and Mollema were on the same level on Ventoux. In fact, wasn't it Porte in front? He was when he hit the moto, otherwise we wouldn't have been treated to that shot of him looking like a foal chewing straw when he went down.
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19 Jul 2016 06:34

kwikki wrote:Froome wasn't on his own when he attacked on the Ventoux. The top riders were with him. You'd expect top riders to be top riders, no?

By what means they got there is another question, but Froome, Porte and Mollema were on the same level on Ventoux. In fact, wasn't it Porte in front? He was when he hit the moto, otherwise we wouldn't have been treated to that shot of him looking like a foal chewing straw when he went down.


In fact the person who looked strongest on Ventoux IMO was Mollema. He's not reacted to Froome's attack straight away, then attacked and left Quintana behind, caught up with Froome easily and at one point even dared to attack Froome.
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19 Jul 2016 07:30

i was watching Orica bike exchange on youtube (they have their little inside on every stage) and what surprised me was when they showed bardet attacking matt white (DS) told yates "just keep going,he will be pulled back" - and the surprise came from how just matter-of-factly he said that,no emotion in it,no surprise that a domestique can pull back a GC contender nothing...it was simply accepted fact

then there was one more instance of yates saying that basically the pace was so high,nobody could do anything but sit

it says a lot about the mental state of other teams - they know its fcked up and they cant do anything but accept it
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19 Jul 2016 08:10

I think focusing on the train is looking in the wrong direction. Of course it makes for dull racing, but from a clinic point of view it isn't that abnormal. These are some of the top climbers in the world - Landa, Poels, Nieve, Henao - of a similar level or even better than riders like Rolland or Yates. It's no surprise that they can maintain a significantly higher power for 15 minutes each than other GC contenders can for an hour of climbing. Especially considering they are effectively each taking a rest day every second or third day.

The elephant in the room is still Froome. He's the guy who is putting these power outputs every day of every stage without any recovery. And, when his train is done, he is still able to attack or close gaps himself with apparent ease. When the climbing train are phoning in time trials and flat stages - Froome is finishing 2nd or going on the attack off the front. He'd win this race easily with or without the train.
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19 Jul 2016 08:12

top team movistar....................break minutes ahead

team sky bossin' their rivals.........

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19 Jul 2016 08:23

Sky don't seem to be doing that much at the front, except on days where it is important to them (mountains, crosswind flat etc). Whereas, other teams without the depth that Sky have bought in are having to work a little harder. Look at Valverde yesterday. What on earth was he doing leading out a sprint when we have 4 days of Alps coming up.

Sky reassemble USPS/Discovery, in so far as they know that if they position themselves on the front and tap out a fast pace, but most importantly a consistent pace, it will take someone super special to make an attack stick. I don't find that in itself that suspicious, but it is in the context of actually finding the entire thing suspicious. The parallel with USPS ends here, so far, unless Froome can launch a devastating Lance style attack, like he did 2013 Ventoux.
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19 Jul 2016 09:02

True cycling fans love Team Time Trials, there was a time Garmin was very good at that discipline, Rolland should complain to his General Manager.
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19 Jul 2016 09:17

Fearless Greg Lemond wrote:True cycling fans love Team Time Trials, there was a time Garmin was very good at that discipline, Rolland should complain to his General Manager.


And some true cycling fans love echelons even more.
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19 Jul 2016 14:19

DFA123 wrote:It's no surprise that they can maintain a significantly higher power for 15 minutes each than other GC contenders can for an hour of climbing.


But when the fourth domestique is at it, he's already been riding the same tempo as everyone else for 45 minutes before his 15 minutes of glory...

I agree with you though, doped or not Sky dumps tons of money into signing huge talents and using them for domestique duty. If Rolland could keep up I'm sure Sky would make him an offer he couldn't refuse too, perhaps he's just bitter that he makes less cash than Sky's 5th best climber.
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