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30 Aug 2017 18:29

Well, I guess Nibali isn't complaining about the wattages today...
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30 Aug 2017 18:42

carolina wrote:Well, I guess Nibali isn't complaining about the wattages today...


He, himself stated that he is the symbol of clean cycling.

So...
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

30 Aug 2017 19:47

thehog wrote:Good work Sky. They broke cycling :surprised:

Peter Stetina: Permanently upgrading to 54t chainring. Modern cycling requires this to even keep up with Vuelta peloton on flat roads #fast #wattsfordays


If Contador’s team is concerned you know **** is **** up... :lol:
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30 Aug 2017 20:21

I sense an almost exasperation from other riders with the utter dominance of sky and Froome in the GTs. Contador was asked after today's stage about Froome appearing to struggle at times up today's final climb but he almost dismissed this as rubbish analysis. When Froome whispered into his ear piece then drifted to the back of the thinned out peloton up the last climb it was almost like he was daring the others to attack to see what they had so that he could claw them back again after giving them an initial gap. It's demoralising for other riders that it gets to the stage where they say, 'what's the point'.
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30 Aug 2017 21:02

ontheroad wrote:I sense an almost exasperation from other riders with the utter dominance of sky and Froome in the GTs. Contador was asked after today's stage about Froome appearing to struggle at times up today's final climb but he almost dismissed this as rubbish analysis. When Froome whispered into his ear piece then drifted to the back of the thinned out peloton up the last climb it was almost like he was daring the others to attack to see what they had so that he could claw them back again after giving them an initial gap. It's demoralising for other riders that it gets to the stage where they say, 'what's the point'.


Regardless of what position Froome finds himself in he can ride back or attack. Even at the Tour after a mechanical he rides straight back. Now he attacks when he needs to and Sky can tempo up to any attack. It's fruitless for any other team or rider.
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30 Aug 2017 22:26

thehog wrote:
ontheroad wrote:I sense an almost exasperation from other riders with the utter dominance of sky and Froome in the GTs. Contador was asked after today's stage about Froome appearing to struggle at times up today's final climb but he almost dismissed this as rubbish analysis. When Froome whispered into his ear piece then drifted to the back of the thinned out peloton up the last climb it was almost like he was daring the others to attack to see what they had so that he could claw them back again after giving them an initial gap. It's demoralising for other riders that it gets to the stage where they say, 'what's the point'.


Regardless of what position Froome finds himself in he can ride back or attack. Even at the Tour after a mechanical he rides straight back. Now he attacks when he needs to and Sky can tempo up to any attack. It's fruitless for any other team or rider.


I agree that there is a definite sense there are 'mutterings' - more than a few are alluding to it in one way or another. I'll wager the 'little crack' scenario is imminent from Froome.

Still waiting for the mechanical at the foot of the climb though. They've not played that card at the Vuelta yet.
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31 Aug 2017 00:39

Electress wrote:
thehog wrote:
ontheroad wrote:I sense an almost exasperation from other riders with the utter dominance of sky and Froome in the GTs. Contador was asked after today's stage about Froome appearing to struggle at times up today's final climb but he almost dismissed this as rubbish analysis. When Froome whispered into his ear piece then drifted to the back of the thinned out peloton up the last climb it was almost like he was daring the others to attack to see what they had so that he could claw them back again after giving them an initial gap. It's demoralising for other riders that it gets to the stage where they say, 'what's the point'.


Regardless of what position Froome finds himself in he can ride back or attack. Even at the Tour after a mechanical he rides straight back. Now he attacks when he needs to and Sky can tempo up to any attack. It's fruitless for any other team or rider.


I agree that there is a definite sense there are 'mutterings' - more than a few are alluding to it in one way or another. I'll wager the 'little crack' scenario is imminent from Froome.

Still waiting for the mechanical at the foot of the climb though. They've not played that card at the Vuelta yet.


I agree, a few riders are thankfully starting to drop hints and so they should because they have no chance against Sky to do anything worthwhile. Even Bardet can sucker a stage win and he weighs like 59kg! :confused:
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

31 Aug 2017 02:07

Electress wrote:
hfer07 wrote:
thehog wrote::confused: :confused: :confused:

Vincenzo Nibali: "My watts are higher than ever. We start the climbs so fast and then, they accelerate." (via @Gazzetta_it ) #LV2017


Can't make that **** up.
The troubling aspect of Sky is that "everyone" in that team shows up for Froome at ridiculous sharp shape and power- all setting up 400 +watts average tempo going uphill and then Froomie ramps it up spinning 6.5W per Kilo to smash them up, when everyone have tired by just "following" Tempo.....

When Folks here say Froome is fading- I believe is the other riders & teams playing catch up!!


Troubling - what a euphemism. It has become utterly flagrant - it's a farce! I reckon Brailsford knows that he's untouchable and since his and Sky's reputation has been tainted now, there's no need to pay more than lipservice to 'normal', they are no longer the least bit bothered at upping their game.


"Sky's reputation has been tainted now" talking about Euphemisms :rolleyes: The world of Cycling can care less about "SKY's reputation" IF nobody is caught, IF nobody is punished, IF the UCI looks the other way, IF UKAD plays a role in the cover-up

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31 Aug 2017 04:06

Froomey in some good company here, no wonder riders are complaining:

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http://www.chronoswatts.com/news/119/
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

31 Aug 2017 04:41

Interesting to see Dawg creeping into the 500w range which is the red zone. For a clean rider who once couldn't ride straight he certainly is a model marvel to mankind.

No one else is going to beat him with the ability to punch out those types of watts. Not even Lance. Pantani would perhaps hold him and nip him at the line.
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

31 Aug 2017 11:07

thehog wrote:Interesting to see Dawg creeping into the 500w range which is the red zone. For a clean rider who once couldn't ride straight he certainly is a model marvel to mankind.

No one else is going to beat him with the ability to punch out those types of watts. Not even Lance. Pantani would perhaps hold him and nip him at the line.

Pantani would have clobbered Froome, but he was about the only one. Even the likes of Armstrong, pre-'98 Virenque and Jimenez would have struggled.
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

03 Sep 2017 19:13

42x16ss wrote:Pantani would have clobbered Froome, but he was about the only one. Even the likes of Armstrong, pre-'98 Virenque and Jimenez would have struggled.

In 1995, Pantani's hematocrit tested (at least once) >60. Not sure any of those others ever raced that juiced.
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

03 Sep 2017 20:09

42x16ss wrote:
thehog wrote:Interesting to see Dawg creeping into the 500w range which is the red zone. For a clean rider who once couldn't ride straight he certainly is a model marvel to mankind.

No one else is going to beat him with the ability to punch out those types of watts. Not even Lance. Pantani would perhaps hold him and nip him at the line.

Pantani would have clobbered Froome, but he was about the only one. Even the likes of Armstrong, pre-'98 Virenque and Jimenez would have struggled.


So, which endurance sports have times today the same or faster than 10/20/30 years ago. It's all of them isn't it ?
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03 Sep 2017 23:37

ontheroad wrote:I sense an almost exasperation from other riders with the utter dominance of sky and Froome in the GTs. Contador was asked after today's stage about Froome appearing to struggle at times up today's final climb but he almost dismissed this as rubbish analysis. When Froome whispered into his ear piece then drifted to the back of the thinned out peloton up the last climb it was almost like he was daring the others to attack to see what they had so that he could claw them back again after giving them an initial gap. It's demoralising for other riders that it gets to the stage where they say, 'what's the point'.

I sense the same. At least the fans are!
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

03 Sep 2017 23:51

adamfo wrote:
42x16ss wrote:
thehog wrote:Interesting to see Dawg creeping into the 500w range which is the red zone. For a clean rider who once couldn't ride straight he certainly is a model marvel to mankind.

No one else is going to beat him with the ability to punch out those types of watts. Not even Lance. Pantani would perhaps hold him and nip him at the line.

Pantani would have clobbered Froome, but he was about the only one. Even the likes of Armstrong, pre-'98 Virenque and Jimenez would have struggled.


So, which endurance sports have times today the same or faster than 10/20/30 years ago. It's all of them isn't it ?

So true! At this rate, 20years from now the 100 meter will be run at 4 seconds. 17.5 W/kg will be the new normal. Marginal gains, baby! And you know. Things just keep on improving....


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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

05 Sep 2017 02:08

adamfo wrote:
42x16ss wrote:
thehog wrote:Interesting to see Dawg creeping into the 500w range which is the red zone. For a clean rider who once couldn't ride straight he certainly is a model marvel to mankind.

No one else is going to beat him with the ability to punch out those types of watts. Not even Lance. Pantani would perhaps hold him and nip him at the line.

Pantani would have clobbered Froome, but he was about the only one. Even the likes of Armstrong, pre-'98 Virenque and Jimenez would have struggled.


So, which endurance sports have times today the same or faster than 10/20/30 years ago. It's all of them isn't it ?

Then why does Pantani still hold so many climbing records? Most of his records have been very safe until the last year or two (although AdH should be safe for a long while yet.)
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

05 Sep 2017 08:56

adamfo wrote:
42x16ss wrote:
thehog wrote:Interesting to see Dawg creeping into the 500w range which is the red zone. For a clean rider who once couldn't ride straight he certainly is a model marvel to mankind.

No one else is going to beat him with the ability to punch out those types of watts. Not even Lance. Pantani would perhaps hold him and nip him at the line.

Pantani would have clobbered Froome, but he was about the only one. Even the likes of Armstrong, pre-'98 Virenque and Jimenez would have struggled.


So, which endurance sports have times today the same or faster than 10/20/30 years ago. It's all of them isn't it ?

How many of those sports *also* argue that they went from massive doping abuse to cleans over the past 20 years?
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

06 Sep 2017 11:25

adamfo wrote:
42x16ss wrote:
thehog wrote:Interesting to see Dawg creeping into the 500w range which is the red zone. For a clean rider who once couldn't ride straight he certainly is a model marvel to mankind.

No one else is going to beat him with the ability to punch out those types of watts. Not even Lance. Pantani would perhaps hold him and nip him at the line.

Pantani would have clobbered Froome, but he was about the only one. Even the likes of Armstrong, pre-'98 Virenque and Jimenez would have struggled.


So, which endurance sports have times today the same or faster than 10/20/30 years ago. It's all of them isn't it ?


Well No!!!!!

Athletics running is slower sprinting and endurance. Even Semenya can't get anywhere near the world record with the 8th fastest time for 800meters. Interesting that 6 of the 7 fastest times were in the 80s. Just one event but they did go on about the slower times at the recent Athletics world champs.
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06 Sep 2017 11:29

I find the Tour of Britain better to watch than the Vuelta. Well I stopped watching the Vuelta once it became clear it was going to be another Froome Sky borefest.

What about the reason for riders like Quintana not performing in the Tour because they rode the Giro D'
Italia? Sky and Froome thrive on the racing. Their power of recovery is incredible. Kwiatkowski rode like a man possessed in the Tour for Froome then recovers to win the San Sebastian 6 days after the Tour. It's a big joke.
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Re: More riders complain about wattages set at tempo (by Sky

07 Sep 2017 23:01

Appears riders are not the only ones upset, even journalists who are formally Brailsford cheerleaders...

Jeremy Whittle (@jeremycwhittle) Covered GTs since 1993. Never seen a collective performance to compare with Sky in @lavuelta - that includes Banesto, Telekom, Mapei, USP.
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