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Re: The Armitstead doping thread.

10 Jun 2017 09:47

MartinGT wrote:Poor Lizzie is having a mare at the Womens Tour of Britain. About 13mins down on GC, nowhere to be seen.

Yet NOTHING is said about it. Apart from her impressive TDY win, she is far from the explosive and dominate rider from last year before all the missed test stuff came out


Not really. She's climbing better than she ever has in her life and worse in the flatter races as a result.
Which makes sense as this is the only Giro route she'll have a chance to win so she's focusing on it.

Why would she stop doing what she's always done if it's never triggered a positive?
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Re: The Armitstead doping thread.

10 Jun 2017 12:15

GuyIncognito wrote:
MartinGT wrote:Poor Lizzie is having a mare at the Womens Tour of Britain. About 13mins down on GC, nowhere to be seen.

Yet NOTHING is said about it. Apart from her impressive TDY win, she is far from the explosive and dominate rider from last year before all the missed test stuff came out


Not really. She's climbing better than she ever has in her life and worse in the flatter races as a result.
Which makes sense as this is the only Giro route she'll have a chance to win so she's focusing on it.

Why would she stop doing what she's always done if it's never triggered a positive?


I expect to see her do well today then. She hasnt done anything thus far in the Tour and that's had some decent climbs in it? Surly is she is 'climbing better than she ever has' she would have shown something? She just looks way off at the moment.

I suppose if she is trying to peak for the Giro then she still has a couple of weeks. But last year she was at a peak for most of the season!
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10 Jun 2017 13:31

For those who may have seen this story a month ago - the 'exclusive' is actually explained in her book, funnily. The DM's 'source' must have got round to reading it...
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11 Jul 2017 11:33

..............p0or .lizzie totally inconspicuous in official highlights of giro rosa............

i know here team-mate won but i had to scan final GC placings to confirm that

lizzie had indeed completed the course....................

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11 Jul 2017 19:11

That's normal. The best she's ever done in the Giro is 15th back in 2009 when she won the maglia bianca, and for several years it was the only race in the year you'd see her not being her team's preferred option. Admittedly when I saw this year's route and saw how she was climbing in the Ardennes - better than ever for her, since 2014 is the only other time she's even been close to that competitive at Flèche - I thought it would be the best course she will possibly ever have in order to compete for women's cycling's biggest stage race, but her settling into the domestique role there - often dropping off the back of her group to save energy at the end of the day - is not a surprise at all.
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11 Jul 2017 21:01

thanks! LS unlike the mens tour i don't get to see much of the giro rosa

a member above suggested lizzie was saving herself for this race

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ps still puzzling? how one of the sports biggest stars has just gone AWOL since those issues
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13 Jul 2017 18:47

ebandit wrote:thanks! LS unlike the mens tour i don't get to see much of the giro rosa

a member above suggested lizzie was saving herself for this race


If you mean me, I said she might be focusing on this race, not saving herself.
As it turned out, she was sick during the british tour (i refuse to use the official name) other than 1 stage.

I certainly expected her to do better at the Giro. Mostly because I expected her to say screw this and ride for herself. But surprisingly she played the good teammate for once.
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14 Jul 2017 07:14

sorry! to misquote ...............now i reread and see the subtle difference ...same outcome..different intent

still lizzie's different performances stand out stellar pre revelations............ordinary after

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22 Oct 2017 12:19

For those who believe LA received favourable treatment:
Groves, who trains under Michael Bohl on the Gold Coast and has switched her degree to law, spoke confidently and calmly alongside her lawyer Tim Fuller. They challenged the validity of the third strike, insisting Groves was in the designated time and place and WADA testers at her San Diego University campus failed to do enough to locate her.

Groves had always maintained she was in her room waiting for testers, who stopped at the unattended front desk of the building. With no swimmers in sight, they went on their way and filed the breach notice.

FINA agreed. Groves was given the all clear but will remain on two strikes until mid-November.
source

Let's see if the invective here even comes close to that LA produced...somehow I doubt that will happen, though.
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22 Oct 2017 13:06

fmk_RoI wrote:For those who believe LA received favourable treatment:
Groves, who trains under Michael Bohl on the Gold Coast and has switched her degree to law, spoke confidently and calmly alongside her lawyer Tim Fuller. They challenged the validity of the third strike, insisting Groves was in the designated time and place and WADA testers at her San Diego University campus failed to do enough to locate her.

Groves had always maintained she was in her room waiting for testers, who stopped at the unattended front desk of the building. With no swimmers in sight, they went on their way and filed the breach notice.

FINA agreed. Groves was given the all clear but will remain on two strikes until mid-November.
source

Let's see if the invective here even comes close to that LA produced...somehow I doubt that will happen, though.


Wanting to see more invective over doping athletes. I would've thought there was enough.

Also this is Armistead/Deignan thread not the groves thread. Feel free to start a Groves thread and try and bait some of the wanted invective there.
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Re: Re:

22 Oct 2017 13:21

Benotti69 wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:For those who believe LA received favourable treatment:
Groves, who trains under Michael Bohl on the Gold Coast and has switched her degree to law, spoke confidently and calmly alongside her lawyer Tim Fuller. They challenged the validity of the third strike, insisting Groves was in the designated time and place and WADA testers at her San Diego University campus failed to do enough to locate her.

Groves had always maintained she was in her room waiting for testers, who stopped at the unattended front desk of the building. With no swimmers in sight, they went on their way and filed the breach notice.

FINA agreed. Groves was given the all clear but will remain on two strikes until mid-November.
source

Let's see if the invective here even comes close to that LA produced...somehow I doubt that will happen, though.


Wanting to see more invective over doping athletes. I would've thought there was enough.

Also this is Armistead/Deignan thread not the groves thread. Feel free to start a Groves thread and try and bait some of the wanted invective there.
This is perfectly relevant to the LA discussion Benny as it shows that LA's case was nowhere near as unusual as many nutters claimed it was. But do feel free to report it as OT if you're bored.
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Re: Re:

22 Oct 2017 13:52

fmk_RoI wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:For those who believe LA received favourable treatment:
Groves, who trains under Michael Bohl on the Gold Coast and has switched her degree to law, spoke confidently and calmly alongside her lawyer Tim Fuller. They challenged the validity of the third strike, insisting Groves was in the designated time and place and WADA testers at her San Diego University campus failed to do enough to locate her.

Groves had always maintained she was in her room waiting for testers, who stopped at the unattended front desk of the building. With no swimmers in sight, they went on their way and filed the breach notice.

FINA agreed. Groves was given the all clear but will remain on two strikes until mid-November.
source

Let's see if the invective here even comes close to that LA produced...somehow I doubt that will happen, though.


Wanting to see more invective over doping athletes. I would've thought there was enough.

Also this is Armistead/Deignan thread not the groves thread. Feel free to start a Groves thread and try and bait some of the wanted invective there.
This is perfectly relevant to the LA discussion Benny as it shows that LA's case was nowhere near as unusual as many nutters claimed it was. But do feel free to report it as OT if you're bored.


I think it has already been discussed quite alot how ineffective WADA and ADA's are never mind National Federations but, Fergy, knock yourself out.
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Re: Re:

22 Oct 2017 14:10

Benotti69 wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:For those who believe LA received favourable treatment:
Groves, who trains under Michael Bohl on the Gold Coast and has switched her degree to law, spoke confidently and calmly alongside her lawyer Tim Fuller. They challenged the validity of the third strike, insisting Groves was in the designated time and place and WADA testers at her San Diego University campus failed to do enough to locate her.

Groves had always maintained she was in her room waiting for testers, who stopped at the unattended front desk of the building. With no swimmers in sight, they went on their way and filed the breach notice.

FINA agreed. Groves was given the all clear but will remain on two strikes until mid-November.
source

Let's see if the invective here even comes close to that LA produced...somehow I doubt that will happen, though.


Wanting to see more invective over doping athletes. I would've thought there was enough.

Also this is Armistead/Deignan thread not the groves thread. Feel free to start a Groves thread and try and bait some of the wanted invective there.


This is very relevant to the LA thread, especially considering there has been at least 3 cases of Aussie swimmers breaching the whereabouts clause in the last 12 months.
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Re: Re:

22 Oct 2017 14:25

yaco wrote:
Benotti69 wrote:
fmk_RoI wrote:For those who believe LA received favourable treatment:
Groves, who trains under Michael Bohl on the Gold Coast and has switched her degree to law, spoke confidently and calmly alongside her lawyer Tim Fuller. They challenged the validity of the third strike, insisting Groves was in the designated time and place and WADA testers at her San Diego University campus failed to do enough to locate her.

Groves had always maintained she was in her room waiting for testers, who stopped at the unattended front desk of the building. With no swimmers in sight, they went on their way and filed the breach notice.

FINA agreed. Groves was given the all clear but will remain on two strikes until mid-November.
source

Let's see if the invective here even comes close to that LA produced...somehow I doubt that will happen, though.


Wanting to see more invective over doping athletes. I would've thought there was enough.

Also this is Armistead/Deignan thread not the groves thread. Feel free to start a Groves thread and try and bait some of the wanted invective there.


This is very relevant to the LA thread, especially considering there has been at least 3 cases of Aussie swimmers breaching the whereabouts clause in the last 12 months.


Sounds like it needs its own thread or thread title change.
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22 Oct 2017 14:38

Just help us out here with a little more detail, then we can get the witch hunt motoring.

Did Aus Swimming appoint a "childminder" to look after Groves after she had two strikes ?
Did Groves have time after the third strike notification and before enforcement of suspension, to win the biggest feamle race ever put on by the Aus Federation with attendant publicity and promotion to accompany the, win by the current World Champion on home (soil) water ?
Did Groves never once during this period show that she had the slightest doubt that the sword over her head was going to be removed before it fell ?
When the suspension was enforced, did Groves pull out of the biggest gala for feamle swimmers that year, leaving team-mates to do their own thing, citing that she needed to leave the event to optimise her prparation for the forthcoming Olympics?
When the suspension was enforced, did Goves miss her Nationals gala sending "love you" tweets to the winners saying "wish I could be there but you know what preparing for the pesky Olympics does to your competition program" ?
When the suspension was enforced, did Groves continue to do build up marketing for her book that was going to come out after she won gold in Rio ?
When someone, heaven forbid it being a past employee of her home federation, told Mat Lawton of the Mail that Groves was not "optimising preparation" but rather siting out a silent ban, did Goves cite a "family crisis" as the reason for her third missed strike ?
Did Goves wipe clean her twitter account for the period in question of the "family crisis" ?
Were tweet replies found on other accounts showing that when she should have spent 3 minutes logging onto and updating her whereabouts program she was actually spending time checking through bands to play live at her wedding after she had won gold at Rio.
On the day she did not have time due to the "family crisis", was Groves sending tweets to the band saying pleased to have booked you etc. ?
Did Groves put the blame on the "childminder" being so inconsiderate as to get another job and Aus Swimming not immediately appointing a new "childminder" given how vunerable she was, being a specialy disorganised sort of person ? Wait disorganised ..... er what did she say ?
Did Groves have a boyfriend who was team-mate of the "donkey to racehorse" Chris Froome Aussie swimalike in the days before the wonder transformation ?
Was Groves defence/appeal and costs up to the Court of Arbitration of Sport paid for by Aus Swimming ?

[When it is all written in one place it becomes about as hard to believe as the Jiffy bag contained flumacil.]
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22 Oct 2017 14:59

Ì don't see how the latest post adds to the debate. You fail to mention the other two Aussie swimmers had their cases rejected
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Re:

22 Oct 2017 16:48

Freddythefrog wrote:Just help us out here with a little more detail, then we can get the witch hunt motoring.

Did Aus Swimming appoint a "childminder" to look after Groves after she had two strikes ?
Did Groves have time after the third strike notification and before enforcement of suspension, to win the biggest feamle race ever put on by the Aus Federation with attendant publicity and promotion to accompany the, win by the current World Champion on home (soil) water ?
Did Groves never once during this period show that she had the slightest doubt that the sword over her head was going to be removed before it fell ?
When the suspension was enforced, did Groves pull out of the biggest gala for feamle swimmers that year, leaving team-mates to do their own thing, citing that she needed to leave the event to optimise her prparation for the forthcoming Olympics?
When the suspension was enforced, did Goves miss her Nationals gala sending "love you" tweets to the winners saying "wish I could be there but you know what preparing for the pesky Olympics does to your competition program" ?
When the suspension was enforced, did Groves continue to do build up marketing for her book that was going to come out after she won gold in Rio ?
When someone, heaven forbid it being a past employee of her home federation, told Mat Lawton of the Mail that Groves was not "optimising preparation" but rather siting out a silent ban, did Goves cite a "family crisis" as the reason for her third missed strike ?
Did Goves wipe clean her twitter account for the period in question of the "family crisis" ?
Were tweet replies found on other accounts showing that when she should have spent 3 minutes logging onto and updating her whereabouts program she was actually spending time checking through bands to play live at her wedding after she had won gold at Rio.
On the day she did not have time due to the "family crisis", was Groves sending tweets to the band saying pleased to have booked you etc. ?
Did Groves put the blame on the "childminder" being so inconsiderate as to get another job and Aus Swimming not immediately appointing a new "childminder" given how vunerable she was, being a specialy disorganised sort of person ? Wait disorganised ..... er what did she say ?
Did Groves have a boyfriend who was team-mate of the "donkey to racehorse" Chris Froome Aussie swimalike in the days before the wonder transformation ?
Was Groves defence/appeal and costs up to the Court of Arbitration of Sport paid for by Aus Swimming ?

[When it is all written in one place it becomes about as hard to believe as the Jiffy bag contained flumacil.]
What a remarkable amount of nonsense to shoot down a very simple fact.
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22 Oct 2017 16:54

Freddythefrog wrote:Just help us out here with a little more detail, then we can get the witch hunt motoring.

Did Aus Swimming appoint a "childminder" to look after Groves after she had two strikes ?
Did Groves have time after the third strike notification and before enforcement of suspension, to win the biggest feamle race ever put on by the Aus Federation with attendant publicity and promotion to accompany the, win by the current World Champion on home (soil) water ?
Did Groves never once during this period show that she had the slightest doubt that the sword over her head was going to be removed before it fell ?
When the suspension was enforced, did Groves pull out of the biggest gala for feamle swimmers that year, leaving team-mates to do their own thing, citing that she needed to leave the event to optimise her prparation for the forthcoming Olympics?
When the suspension was enforced, did Goves miss her Nationals gala sending "love you" tweets to the winners saying "wish I could be there but you know what preparing for the pesky Olympics does to your competition program" ?
When the suspension was enforced, did Groves continue to do build up marketing for her book that was going to come out after she won gold in Rio ?
When someone, heaven forbid it being a past employee of her home federation, told Mat Lawton of the Mail that Groves was not "optimising preparation" but rather siting out a silent ban, did Goves cite a "family crisis" as the reason for her third missed strike ?
Did Goves wipe clean her twitter account for the period in question of the "family crisis" ?
Were tweet replies found on other accounts showing that when she should have spent 3 minutes logging onto and updating her whereabouts program she was actually spending time checking through bands to play live at her wedding after she had won gold at Rio.
On the day she did not have time due to the "family crisis", was Groves sending tweets to the band saying pleased to have booked you etc. ?
Did Groves put the blame on the "childminder" being so inconsiderate as to get another job and Aus Swimming not immediately appointing a new "childminder" given how vunerable she was, being a specialy disorganised sort of person ? Wait disorganised ..... er what did she say ?
Did Groves have a boyfriend who was team-mate of the "donkey to racehorse" Chris Froome Aussie swimalike in the days before the wonder transformation ?
Was Groves defence/appeal and costs up to the Court of Arbitration of Sport paid for by Aus Swimming ?

[When it is all written in one place it becomes about as hard to believe as the Jiffy bag contained flumacil.]

Great post.
Apparently a couple people still don't get it though.
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