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Re: Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

13 Dec 2016 18:27

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thehog wrote:Fancy'a lastest strike is interesting. Sport is hilarious! :surprised:

What an embarrassment! Travis Tygart's plot to take over the world is foiled again! :lol:

Shouldn't he have known better? :rolleyes:


He certainly loves going for glory on the headlines and forgetting about the Nike Oregon Project doping back in the US. He really is a joker.

They are going to get the entire project (oregon nike) on Prozac that is the latest. :lol:
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Re: Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

13 Dec 2016 20:43

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thehog wrote:
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thehog wrote:Fancy'a lastest strike is interesting. Sport is hilarious! :surprised:

What an embarrassment! Travis Tygart's plot to take over the world is foiled again! :lol:

Shouldn't he have known better? :rolleyes:


He certainly loves going for glory on the headlines and forgetting about the Nike Oregon Project doping back in the US. He really is a joker.

They are going to get the entire project (oregon nike) on Prozac that is the latest. :lol:




Can someone give me the lowdown on the latest leak(s)? What's it about?
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13 Dec 2016 20:51

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13 Dec 2016 22:51

Glenn_Wilson wrote:https://twitter.com/fancybears?lang=en

https://fancybear.net/pages/us-and-canada-sports-officials-secret-plot-revealed.html

Here you go bullsFan.



Thanks. Hopefully FB's keep these coming. I hope people wake up to this and realize how corrupt WADA (another political organization masquerading as 'fighting for clean sport and fair play') really is. The TUE joke is something else. I can't believe how easy it is for so many athletes to apply and get a TUE is these days. How many of those athletes actually use for actual treatment??
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14 Dec 2016 12:10

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Glenn_Wilson wrote:https://twitter.com/fancybears?lang=en

https://fancybear.net/pages/us-and-canada-sports-officials-secret-plot-revealed.html

Here you go bullsFan.



Thanks. Hopefully FB's keep these coming. I hope people wake up to this and realize how corrupt WADA (another political organization masquerading as 'fighting for clean sport and fair play') really is. The TUE joke is something else. I can't believe how easy it is for so many athletes to apply and get a TUE is these days. How many of those athletes actually use for actual treatment??

It has been discussed here in the clinic before. You will get the usual handshaking from folks who believe their countrymen have a legitimate reason to have TUE's and how other countries are just dopers. There are people who actually believe only Russia has a wide spread doping problem. WADA is a joke. Travis T is a joke. Just reading those emails makes me want to give him a phone call.
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15 Dec 2016 11:45

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Glenn_Wilson wrote:https://twitter.com/fancybears?lang=en

https://fancybear.net/pages/us-and-canada-sports-officials-secret-plot-revealed.html

Here you go bullsFan.



Thanks. Hopefully FB's keep these coming. I hope people wake up to this and realize how corrupt WADA (another political organization masquerading as 'fighting for clean sport and fair play') really is. The TUE joke is something else. I can't believe how easy it is for so many athletes to apply and get a TUE is these days. How many of those athletes actually use for actual treatment??

It has been discussed here in the clinic before. You will get the usual handshaking from folks who believe their countrymen have a legitimate reason to have TUE's and how other countries are just dopers. There are people who actually believe only Russia has a wide spread doping problem. WADA is a joke. Travis T is a joke. Just reading those emails makes me want to give him a phone call.


And apparently now Hajo Seppelt, the bastion of clean sport and fair play, is complaining about the use of TUE's by Russian athletes. This after he lambasted Fancy Bears for exposing the misuse of TUE's by American athletes this year. So which is, Herr Seppelt? We've seen how the TUE system is manipulated by a whole host of athletes, yet he chose to ignore that. Now he is accusing the Russians of misusing the TUE system. The more he blabbers on, the more he will get exposed as well. The guy just seems as slimy as the Russian ministers that he has accused over the past couple years. Geo-Political wars spilling over into sports. What a **** show!
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15 Dec 2016 15:08

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And apparently now Hajo Seppelt, the bastion of clean sport and fair play, is complaining about the use of TUE's by Russian athletes. This after he lambasted Fancy Bears for exposing the misuse of TUE's by American athletes this year. So which is, Herr Seppelt? We've seen how the TUE system is manipulated by a whole host of athletes, yet he chose to ignore that. Now he is accusing the Russians of misusing the TUE system. The more he blabbers on, the more he will get exposed as well. The guy just seems as slimy as the Russian ministers that he has accused over the past couple years. Geo-Political wars spilling over into sports. What a **** show!


He didn't accuse them. He said the reaction to them using TUEs differed from when was disclosed by Fancy Bears. It is indeed very telling and the motives are clear to see.

Look at the reaction in the swimming thread when I posted that Efimova had one for London 2012 and yet nothing from Russia about that. Not even one post here in response to it when it's seen for the most part as evidence of doping on this forum.

If that was a swimmer from elsewhere, then see the contrast in the reaction.

Most of what this lot has disclosed is nonsense and it's nothing to be admired.
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15 Dec 2016 15:40

How is it "telling"?
It's a largely irrelevant piece of information.
What Seppelt said there is like saying we should be discussing Lance Armstrong's use of tramadol.
It's pointless.

Discussing tramadol or TUE abuse is useful only in the context of athletes and countries who claim to be squeeky clean. The use of tramadol and TUE abuse doesn't fit their narrative. Rather, it sheds doubt on their narrative.
But even then it's of relatively limited interest because in the end it only distracts away from the real cheating and doping.
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15 Dec 2016 15:55

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And apparently now Hajo Seppelt, the bastion of clean sport and fair play, is complaining about the use of TUE's by Russian athletes. This after he lambasted Fancy Bears for exposing the misuse of TUE's by American athletes this year. So which is, Herr Seppelt? We've seen how the TUE system is manipulated by a whole host of athletes, yet he chose to ignore that. Now he is accusing the Russians of misusing the TUE system. The more he blabbers on, the more he will get exposed as well. The guy just seems as slimy as the Russian ministers that he has accused over the past couple years. Geo-Political wars spilling over into sports. What a **** show!


He didn't accuse them. He said the reaction to them using TUEs differed from when was disclosed by Fancy Bears. It is indeed very telling and the motives are clear to see.

Look at the reaction in the swimming thread when I posted that Efimova had one for London 2012 and yet nothing from Russia about that. Not even one post here in response to it when it's seen for the most part as evidence of doping on this forum.

If that was a swimmer from elsewhere, then see the contrast in the reaction.

Most of what this lot has disclosed is nonsense and it's nothing to be admired.



Well, if it's very clear to you, there is no need to respond. You and Seppelt can carry on and keep telling us that doping, or in your words 'state sponsored systematic doping,' is only found in Russia and we should zero in on them and completely ignore everything else. Well, that is your choice, you can completely zero in on that. The rest of us will keep posting about doping as a GLOBAL issue and will continue to post links that not only mention Russians, but others well.

Actually what's telling is your concerted effort to, once again, zero in on the Russians while anything that gets posted about Brits, you quickly deny and ask for 'evidence.'

I somewhat understand Seppelt focusing on the Russians, he works for German state television, and they've been as one sided on covering Russian stories (be it sports, politics, culture, etc) as anyone else, so him focusing all his efforts on the Russians isn't shocking (though no less nauseating and predictable), but what's your motive?
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Re: Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

14 Feb 2017 20:08

Giving TUE's to US Olympians is as easy as giving out candy to kids on Halloween night. Michael Phelps, Simone Biles, Draymond Green, Sue Bird...

https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/359121-fancy-bear-olimpioniki-preparaty-doping

Essentially the same method that Sir Wiggins went through.

Look all those banned PED's that Phelps could get his hands on.
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Re: Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

14 Feb 2017 20:10

BullsFan22 wrote:Giving TUE's to US Olympians is as easy as giving out candy to kids on Halloween night. Michael Phelps, Simone Biles, Draymond Green, Sue Bird...

https://russian.rt.com/sport/article/359121-fancy-bear-olimpioniki-preparaty-doping

Essentially the same method that Sir Wiggins went through.

Look all those banned PED's that Phelps could get his hands on.



Here's the English version:

https://sputniknews.com/sport/201702141050683066-usada-declaration-medication/
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14 Feb 2017 20:21

There's something missing here though, I can't find this information on the Fancy Bears website....

Do I need to check my glasses or have the documents been released to the Russian government news outlet (RT News) without being posted on they're website or Twitter site?
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14 Feb 2017 20:34

The main issue with Fancy Bears is they only leaked the final TUE document. The TUE is always going to show an otherwise banned substance and in itself look like a piece of paper to dope legally. Really, to build the full ADAMS and TUE picture on any athlete they needed to also release all of the supporting medical documents stored on ADAMS.
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14 Feb 2017 20:37

Irondan wrote:There's something missing here though, I can't find this information on the Fancy Bears website....

Do I need to check my glasses or have the documents been released to the Russian government news outlet (RT News) without being posted on they're website or Twitter site?



Good question. As far as Fancy Bears are concerned, nothing on their website or their twitter feed about the recent leaks.

If you look at RT and Sputnik (another Russian source), they have the date, the drugs, and athlete's names and case numbers in the article.

Flame for putting in an RT and Sputnik link here, but we have to admit, the leaks that the Fancy Bears provided, have been genuine and in the case of Wiggins and team Sky, it's the done a lot of good.
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14 Feb 2017 21:16

BullsFan22 wrote:
Irondan wrote:There's something missing here though, I can't find this information on the Fancy Bears website....

Do I need to check my glasses or have the documents been released to the Russian government news outlet (RT News) without being posted on they're website or Twitter site?



Good question. As far as Fancy Bears are concerned, nothing on their website or their twitter feed about the recent leaks.

If you look at RT and Sputnik (another Russian source), they have the date, the drugs, and athlete's names and case numbers in the article.

Flame for putting in an RT and Sputnik link here, but we have to admit, the leaks that the Fancy Bears provided, have been genuine and in the case of Wiggins and team Sky, it's the done a lot of good.

No doubt Fancy Bears has been legit with all the info they've provided us so far. I find it odd that a couple Russian news outlets are the only agencies with copies of this particular leak.

I think we should dig a little deeper before concluding that the Russian leak is really something that was hacked by the Fancy Bears hacking team.
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14 Feb 2017 22:30

Irondan wrote:
BullsFan22 wrote:
Irondan wrote:There's something missing here though, I can't find this information on the Fancy Bears website....

Do I need to check my glasses or have the documents been released to the Russian government news outlet (RT News) without being posted on they're website or Twitter site?



Good question. As far as Fancy Bears are concerned, nothing on their website or their twitter feed about the recent leaks.

If you look at RT and Sputnik (another Russian source), they have the date, the drugs, and athlete's names and case numbers in the article.

Flame for putting in an RT and Sputnik link here, but we have to admit, the leaks that the Fancy Bears provided, have been genuine and in the case of Wiggins and team Sky, it's the done a lot of good.

No doubt Fancy Bears has been legit with all the info they've provided us so far. I find it odd that a couple Russian news outlets are the only agencies with copies of this particular leak.

I think we should dig a little deeper before concluding that the Russian leak is really something that was hacked by the Fancy Bears hacking team.



I think the general consensus is that FB are Russian hackers. Whether or not they work for the government or with the government, I don't know. I don't know who else would have access to these leaks (apart from USADA and the athletes that have the original information about TUE's).
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15 Feb 2017 13:59

I'm aware that FB are Russian hackers, my concern over believing an RT story that (of course) shows the USA's biggest Olympic stars dirty laundry is that it's not the typical fashion in which FB has operated up till this point. Fancy Bears has released everything to date via their website along with Twitter, which gives them full credit, but this new information has been released through a known Russian government subsidised/controlled news organization as a "leak".

It's not that I don't believe the subject matter, it's that I don't trust the messenger. I've read numerous articles and watched telecasts in the past in utter shock at how anti-American the twist to their stories are.

At the moment I write this, almost 24 hours after I initially saw this story posted it has still not been picked up by the MSM, or anyone else except for the Russians that I've found. To me, that's telling.
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15 Feb 2017 14:15

The Russians are one of few entities with the motivation to take down the IOC. Lots of MSM outlets make big money off those Olympics broadcasting contracts.

Not saying don't be skeptical of RT, just that there's a lot of impetus globally behind keeping the public from looking behind the curtain at these high dollar sports, none more so than keeping the Olympic "dream" alive. Olympics get a ton of government money, and IOC are very powerful.
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15 Feb 2017 14:48

Irondan wrote:I'm aware that FB are Russian hackers, my concern over believing an RT story that (of course) shows the USA's biggest Olympic stars dirty laundry is that it's not the typical fashion in which FB has operated up till this point. Fancy Bears has released everything to date via their website along with Twitter, which gives them full credit, but this new information has been released through a known Russian government subsidised/controlled news organization as a "leak".

It's not that I don't believe the subject matter, it's that I don't trust the messenger. I've read numerous articles and watched telecasts in the past in utter shock at how anti-American the twist to their stories are.

At the moment I write this, almost 24 hours after I initially saw this story posted it has still not been picked up by the MSM, or anyone else except for the Russians that I've found. To me, that's telling.



RT is to the Russian government as the BBC is to Great Britain's government, as ARD is to the German government, as CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and even FOX are to the US government. No mainstream media is going to go all out on its own government and expose them. Has any mainstream US media outlet gone....at all...at the exposed US Olympians named in the leaks? When they were named, they had Travis Tygart and others coming on to quickly defend the 'system' and lambasted the Russians for leaking private information. There was little to no criticism directed towards the athletes or the methods. Now they won't even bother.
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15 Feb 2017 15:00

Beech Mtn wrote:The Russians are one of few entities with the motivation to take down the IOC. Lots of MSM outlets make big money off those Olympics broadcasting contracts.

Not saying don't be skeptical of RT, just that there's a lot of impetus globally behind keeping the public from looking behind the curtain at these high dollar sports, none more so than keeping the Olympic "dream" alive. Olympics get a ton of government money, and IOC are very powerful.


Exactly. The US media won't ever touch any top US athletes. Case in point, Peyton Manning last year. What happened with that case?

I don't really think they'll touch folks like Phelps, Williams, Della Donne, Biles, etc.
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