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20 Dec 2017 23:30

MP Damian Collins has had his 2 cents worth on the UK's Daily Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2017/12/19/doping-sport-defrauds-clean-athletes-should-made-criminal-offence/
The Daily Telegraph’s investigation into world 100-metre champion Justin Gatlin’s support team provides fresh challenges to the integrity of sport. Once again, we are seeing evidence of the active knowledge by senior sports people of the performance-enhancing properties of certain drugs, that if used by athletes could lead to a violation of the anti-doping code.

There have recently been a number of investigations into doping in sport, including the Independent Commission, set up by the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA), which has looked into deliberate breaches of drugs policies and the corruption of athlete testing by Russia.

But the power and resources of the anti-doping authorities are severely restricted, making it impossible to follow up on every important line of inquiry. UK Anti-Doping has few full-time investigators and no legal powers to demand to see medical records or other confidential material that could support its inquiries.

The drugs cheats know this. They also know that, if they are careful, the chances of being caught are limited, particularly if you are using methods that are hard to detect through testing – like the abuse of EPO in blood doping, which has the effect of boosting the number of red blood cells in the bloodstream in order to enhance performance in endurance races.

We have to give serious consideration to making doping a criminal offence, so that the authorities have the legal power to seek any evidence which can help their investigation. It would mean that, rather than just bans for athletes and doctors, there would be criminal sanctions for those involved. This activity undermines the integrity of sporting competition and defrauds clean athletes who lose out.

It would also bring British law into line with other countries. In January, British Olympic cycling champion Nicole Cooke gave evidence to the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee’s inquiry into doping. Speaking of the conviction for doping offences of her former Italian team boss William Dazzani, she said that, if he had “operated in the UK rather than in Italy he would still be running doping rings, producing tragedy and misery in so many around him. As it was, the Guardia were empowered by legislation making it a criminal offence to receive and procure [performance-enhancing drugs] for athletes.”

There is also the question of the policing of the ethical line in sport, of ensuring that non-banned drugs that also have performance-enhancing qualities are only used for medical needs.

In a recent interview for BBC Panorama, the former British Cycling coach Shane Sutton talked about the use of special certificates that allow cyclists to take drugs that are legal, but banned during competition because of performance-enhancing qualities, as part of plan to “find gains” to give them an edge over other athletes.

The committee also took evidence from Dr Robin Chakraverty, formerly a senior doctor at UK Athletics, and Dr Barry Fudge, the head of the UK Athletics endurance programme. Dr Chakraverty was matter of fact about the policy of administering drugs.

He said: “First of all, is it a prohibited substance? No. If it is, you do not look at it. Secondly, how effective is it? Barry’s job would be looking at a supplement from a performance perspective and I would be looking at supplements from a health perspective. Then you have a hierarchy of evidence to see whether it is supportive in either health or performance.” Surely the main consideration in prescribing medicine is health above performance?

There needs to be a wider review of medicines policy. Where an athlete is so ill because of, say, severe asthma that it requires them to take a powerful drug with potential performance-enhancing properties, they shouldn’t be allowed to compete while that drug is active in their system. There need to be stricter rules on the keeping of medical records by team doctors. They should be required to report not just to team coaches, but also to other senior clinicians, appointed by the governing bodies, who can peer review their methods and record keeping.

We certainly cannot go on as we are.

Damian Collins MP is chairman of the Culture, Media and Sport Committee
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22 Dec 2017 13:49

Unless Santa comes down the chimney with the report, it seems they'll be nothing until next year now. :(
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22 Dec 2017 17:49

Robert5091 wrote:Unless Santa comes down the chimney with the report, it seems they'll be nothing until next year now. :(


It would seem that they may have some more questions to ask a certain cyclist and his team...
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13 Jan 2018 00:44

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/forward-programme-17-19/
12 January 2018

The Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee expects a busy start to 2018.

The Committee plans to publish three reports, concluding the work of the previous Parliament.

The first of these will be The Impact of Brexit on UK Creative industries, followed by Combatting Doping in Sport, both due to be published in January. The Sports Governance report is due to be published in February. More details will be announced in due course.
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13 Jan 2018 10:11

Robert5091 wrote:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/forward-programme-17-19/
12 January 2018

The Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee expects a busy start to 2018.

The Committee plans to publish three reports, concluding the work of the previous Parliament.

The first of these will be The Impact of Brexit on UK Creative industries, followed by Combatting Doping in Sport, both due to be published in January. The Sports Governance report is due to be published in February. More details will be announced in due course.


No doubt the Damian Collins authored reports will be more damning that the UKAD letters. Collins saw through Sky and BC straight from the start
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14 Jan 2018 02:41

Robert5091 wrote:MP Damian Collins has had his 2 cents worth on the UK's Daily Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2017/12/19/doping-sport-defrauds-clean-athletes-should-made-criminal-offence/


There needs to be a wider review of medicines policy. Where an athlete is so ill because of, say, severe asthma that it requires them to take a powerful drug with potential performance-enhancing properties, they shouldn’t be allowed to compete while that drug is active in their system. There need to be stricter rules on the keeping of medical records by team doctors. They should be required to report not just to team coaches, but also to other senior clinicians, appointed by the governing bodies, who can peer review their methods and record keeping.


Imagine how many cyclists would suddenly discover that their asthma had simply been a misdiagnosis?
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14 Jan 2018 20:03

Wiggo's Package wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/news/forward-programme-17-19/
12 January 2018

The Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Committee expects a busy start to 2018.

The Committee plans to publish three reports, concluding the work of the previous Parliament.

The first of these will be The Impact of Brexit on UK Creative industries, followed by Combatting Doping in Sport, both due to be published in January. The Sports Governance report is due to be published in February. More details will be announced in due course.


No doubt the Damian Collins authored reports will be more damning that the UKAD letters. Collins saw through Sky and BC straight from the start


And wasn't it a joy to watch :D
My favourite bit by far was Shane Sutton.
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13 Feb 2018 07:14

http://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/digital-culture-media-and-sport-committee/inquiries/parliament-2017/inquiry/
Well, we're nearly half way through Feb and still no report. I suppose lawyers are nit-picking their way through it.
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24 Feb 2018 07:42

"Are you going to believe me or what you see with your own eyes?"

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24 Feb 2018 10:33



I doubt it

Collins and his DCMS buddies have moved their focus on to the big tech companies his Twitter is full of that nowadays
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24 Feb 2018 12:12

You have to give Wiggins credit, he said he will talk when he's allowed to when the story first broke, has said nothing and then said the same thing again a few days ago, simply adding it will be soon. Perhaps the only person in jiffygate to at least be consistent with his story lol!
I still think UKAD currently refusing any Freedom of Information requests signify although the investigation is over with Wiggins, BC & Sky, it might have moved into a follow-up investigation. Could be the Testosterone deliver, Triamcinolone, Freeman, Sutton or someone at BC still under fire.
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28 Feb 2018 13:27

Book the popcorn for Monday...
The Digital, Culture, Media & Sport Committee is to publish a report on Combatting doping in sport.

The Digital, Culture, Media & Sport Committee will publish its report ‘Combatting doping in sport’ on Monday 5 March 2018 at 00.01 (Fourth Report, Session 2017-19, HC 366).

Electronic embargo copies will be made available from 09.00 on Sunday 4 March to witnesses and representatives of the media only.

Copies will be available on the Committee’s website from the time of publication. The oral and written evidence is available on the Committee’s website.
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28 Feb 2018 23:12

Finally! :)
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03 Mar 2018 09:48

Daily Telegraph ahead of Monday's DCMS report:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2018/03/02/team-sky-british-cycling-firing-line-mps-set-deliver-harsh-doping/

"It remains to be seen whether MPs cite four-time Tour de France champion Chris Froome’s recent failed drugs test...or the latest revelations about the delivery of testosterone patches to Team Sky and British Cycling’s headquarters... But the report should be scathing enough about their conduct over the infamous Jiffy bag... The committee is also likely to pass judgment on the cyclist’s subsequent use of the same steroid via a Therapeutic Use Exemption when he became the first Briton to win the sport’s biggest race in 2012.

[Seb] Coe... could be criticised by MPs whom he was last year forced to deny misleading over claims of the extent of his prior knowledge of the Russian doping scandal... The report should condemn the lack of a proper record of an injection of a controversial supplement given to Farah before the 2014 London Marathon... And it could pass judgment on his relationship... with Alberto Salazar, the coach who transformed him from an also-ran into a one of the greatest distance runners of all time"
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05 Mar 2018 00:02

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05 Mar 2018 00:31

So basically nothing new, other than the committee don't buy Brailsford's bullshit and state categorically that they believe Wiggins use of Kenacort was for performance enhancement and not to treat his poorly cough.
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05 Mar 2018 00:32

macbindle wrote:So basically nothing new, other than the committee don't buy Brailsford's bullshit and state categorically that they believe Wiggins use of Kenacort was for performance enhancement and not to treat his poorly cough.


fuq it´s 1:30 am here and I waited this late for that? :D
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macbindle wrote:So basically nothing new, other than the committee don't buy Brailsford's bullshit and state categorically that they believe Wiggins use of Kenacort was for performance enhancement and not to treat his poorly cough.


fuq it´s 1:30 am here and I waited this late for that? :D

But this is the opinion of MPs. These aren't those flakey experts like WADA. These are the opinions of the people that brought you Brexit and probably couldn't pick Peter Sagan out of line-up.
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05 Mar 2018 00:41

Parker wrote:
pastronef wrote:
macbindle wrote:So basically nothing new, other than the committee don't buy Brailsford's bullshit and state categorically that they believe Wiggins use of Kenacort was for performance enhancement and not to treat his poorly cough.


fuq it´s 1:30 am here and I waited this late for that? :D

But this is the opinion of MPs. These aren't those flakey experts like WADA. These are the opinions of the people that brought you Brexit and probably couldn't pick Peter Sagan out of line-up.


I get it, speaking about rules and possible broken rules, the Committee itself says no WADA rules broken.
the problem is in the UK, journalists, newspaper, public are the problem now. limelight on DB to step down
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I get it, speaking about rules and possible broken rules, the Committee itself says no WADA rules broken.
the problem is in the UK, journalists, newspaper, public are the problem now. limelight on DB to step down

It's basically "They haven't broken any rules, but they have broken what we think the rules should be"

As the journalist Francois Tomazeau has repeatedly said doping is not a moral or ethical matter or even a health issue, it's purely a legal matter.

Ethics, morals, grey areas. These are just constructs of people (mostly journalists) who want a doping scandal, but can't find any doping. There's no more inherent ethics in the rules of cycling than there are in the rules of Monopoly.
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