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23 Mar 2018 22:24

Wiggo's Package wrote:The DCMS investigation into doping and sport started when the Sunday Times splashed a leaked IAAF report showing a top British athlete had dodgy blood values. One of the MPs used parliamentary privilege to say (or make very obvious, can't remember) that athlete was Paula Radcliffe

Then the Wiggo's jiffybag saga blew up and the MPs added that to their remit. Partly because it soon became apparent that UKAD were incapable of running an effective investigation

Mo Farah's dodgy injections and Dan Stevens' allegations also got an airing. Seb Coe played the shifty politician card perfectly


It actually started with the FA and kept uncovering more and more British dodgy behavior :cool:
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24 Mar 2018 10:45

thehog wrote:
Wiggo's Package wrote:The DCMS investigation into doping and sport started when the Sunday Times splashed a leaked IAAF report showing a top British athlete had dodgy blood values. One of the MPs used parliamentary privilege to say (or make very obvious, can't remember) that athlete was Paula Radcliffe

Then the Wiggo's jiffybag saga blew up and the MPs added that to their remit. Partly because it soon became apparent that UKAD were incapable of running an effective investigation

Mo Farah's dodgy injections and Dan Stevens' allegations also got an airing. Seb Coe played the shifty politician card perfectly


It actually started with the FA and kept uncovering more and more British dodgy behavior :cool:


Brits Don't Dope, eh ;)

Not sure about the FA thing though, this is from the DCMS "Combatting Doping in Sport inquiry" webpage:

https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/culture-media-and-sport-committee/inquiries/parliament-2015/blood-doping-15-16/

"Scope of the inquiry

In August the Sunday Times published a series of articles commenting on a database of test results from athletes taken between 2001 and 2012, which its experts argued showed abnormal results for a number of endurance runners.

The Committee explores the allegations (which have been strenuously rebutted by the International Association of Athletics Federations) that the IAAF failed to follow up test results from some prominent athletes which raised suspicions that blood doping had occurred"
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Re: CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

27 Mar 2018 07:28

The report originated in Aug 2015 because Sunday Times published a series of articles about endurance runners with suspicious blood tests but IAAF wouldn't confirm the results or follow up with any punishments. Fancy Bears server hack and the Daily Mail article on Wiggins was added to this enquiry as Collins saw similar anti-doping rules
administered and policed in cycling as is the case in athletics and decided to investigate how some of the same
issues are addressed in cycling.
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Re: CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

01 Apr 2018 01:45

No wonder Walsh has down his 360. It’s all about to come spilling out... :p

Collins continues to work on related matters and the MoS can reveal that he continues to gather evidence about the sport's murky past. One witness to that process presented information to Collins, face to face, as recently as last week, naming multiple past and former BC employees with connections to, or knowledge of, historic doping and cover-ups.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5565823/MPs-question-cycling-chiefs-Jonny-Clay-huge-pay-off.html#ixzz5BNg2Cc4g
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Re: CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

01 Apr 2018 10:05

thehog wrote:No wonder Walsh has down his 360. It’s all about to come spilling out... :p

Collins continues to work on related matters and the MoS can reveal that he continues to gather evidence about the sport's murky past. One witness to that process presented information to Collins, face to face, as recently as last week, naming multiple past and former BC employees with connections to, or knowledge of, historic doping and cover-ups.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5565823/MPs-question-cycling-chiefs-Jonny-Clay-huge-pay-off.html#ixzz5BNg2Cc4g


Interesting reading. Is the penny finally dropping that BC is still stacked with rotten apples...?
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11 Nov 2018 12:09

GMC inquiry leads to medical tribunal for Richard Freeman. Maybe the DCMS report will actually get a scalp, in the end.
British Cycling has been told to expect a medical tribunal involving its former doctor that could have serious consequences for the sport, The Sunday Telegraph understands.

The governing body is said to have been informed that Richard Freeman is likely to face a General Medical Council tribunal in connection with a delivery of testosterone patches to the team headquarters in 2011.
It continues:
UK Anti-Doping may need to examine any fresh evidence that may emerge during a tribunal, given the rules relating to the possession of banned substances by athlete support personnel.
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11 Nov 2018 15:11

Can't be that big a deal. Fit 4 Sport are trading still and not under any investigation and Freeman still licenced to practice with GMC. If Fit 4 Sport were supplying testosterone without a licence I can't see how they can still be trading a year later?
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11 Nov 2018 16:39

samhocking wrote:Can't be that big a deal. Fit 4 Sport are trading still and not under any investigation and Freeman still licenced to practice with GMC. If Fit 4 Sport were supplying testosterone without a licence I can't see how they can still be trading a year later?
Uh, not sure if you didn't comprehend the report, but the tribunal hasn't happened yet. No punishment is rendered until it decides. And it will only decide on Freeman, leaving UKAD to consider whether they need to rethink their decision on British Cycling, while Fit 4 Sport has nothing really to do with such punishments, no one has accused them of breaking the law. But, you know, do go on leaping to the defence of British cycling and insisting nothing's ever a problem. You're like the boy who cried wolf, only wilfully blind instead of hallucinating: the boy who cried nothing to see here, I guess.
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11 Nov 2018 17:27

There's nothing to defend yet? I know the GMC already completed their investigation into Freeman which started in March and completed last month or whenever it was. All i'm saying is, if all GMC & UKAD have after that, is a GMC medical tribunal for Freeman, there's not much going on in terms of doping. Nothing has changed in terms of riders being involved and won't be if it's a GMC tribunal after an 8 month investigation by UKAD & GMC.
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11 Nov 2018 17:40

samhocking wrote:There's nothing to defend yet? I know the GMC already completed their investigation into Freeman which started in March and completed last month or whenever it was. All i'm saying is, if all GMC & UKAD have after that, is a GMC medical tribunal for Freeman, there's not much going on in terms of doping. Nothing has changed in terms of riders being involved and won't be if it's a GMC tribunal after an 8 month investigation by UKAD & GMC.


perhaps no one has identified the fire yet sam but the smoke just keeps on billowing and billowing..... :D
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11 Nov 2018 17:59

I'm hoping this might be the correct thread for this question. Has anyone heard anything about Jaime Roson and if he is going to end up with a ban or not?
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11 Nov 2018 18:08

Koronin wrote:I'm hoping this might be the correct thread for this question. Has anyone heard anything about Jaime Roson and if he is going to end up with a ban or not?
He's still on the provisional suspension list.
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11 Nov 2018 18:11

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Koronin wrote:I'm hoping this might be the correct thread for this question. Has anyone heard anything about Jaime Roson and if he is going to end up with a ban or not?
He's still on the provisional suspension list.



TY. Wish they'd make some sort of decision on his case.
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11 Nov 2018 22:11

fmk_RoI wrote:GMC inquiry leads to medical tribunal for Richard Freeman. Maybe the DCMS report will actually get a scalp, in the end.
British Cycling has been told to expect a medical tribunal involving its former doctor that could have serious consequences for the sport, The Sunday Telegraph understands.

The governing body is said to have been informed that Richard Freeman is likely to face a General Medical Council tribunal in connection with a delivery of testosterone patches to the team headquarters in 2011.
It continues:
UK Anti-Doping may need to examine any fresh evidence that may emerge during a tribunal, given the rules relating to the possession of banned substances by athlete support personnel.


The slow moving "accident" of the doc falling under a bus. Is Mike Morgan helping hm too? :rolleyes:
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11 Nov 2018 23:28

gillan1969 wrote:
samhocking wrote:There's nothing to defend yet? I know the GMC already completed their investigation into Freeman which started in March and completed last month or whenever it was. All i'm saying is, if all GMC & UKAD have after that, is a GMC medical tribunal for Freeman, there's not much going on in terms of doping. Nothing has changed in terms of riders being involved and won't be if it's a GMC tribunal after an 8 month investigation by UKAD & GMC.


perhaps no one has identified the fire yet sam but the smoke just keeps on billowing and billowing..... :D


Been smoking like this for 20 years now though and nada in terms of concrete doping like is typical in cyclings past. Perhaps that's why I'm not a believer in anything being in this story, or bored?
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Yesterday 04:50

There could be something in the story - Posted at the time of the 'Jiffy Bag' scandal that it would be hard to lay any charges, let alone convictions because of the lack of documentation and that the only chance was Dr Freeman - In saying that if GMC make a negative finding that doesn't necessarily flow throw to UKAD - Finally I expect 'high standards' with NON AAF cases - A guess is not good enough.
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Re: CMS Doping in sport revelations/discussion

Yesterday 08:03

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-5451759/Banned-testosterone-patches-ordered-Team-Sky-HQ.html
Dr Steve Peters, formerly head of medicine at British Cycling but still the psychiatrist at Team Sky, told the Sunday Times the patches had been sent in error and were returned to the supplier. Freeman told UK Anti-Doping officials that they were not for use by riders.

'I was with a colleague when the order arrived and it was immediately brought to our attention,' Peters said. 'Dr Freeman, responsible for ordering medical supplies, explained that the order had never been placed and so must have been sent in error. He contacted the supplier by phone and they confirmed this. I asked Dr Freeman to repack and return it to the supplier, and to make sure they provided written confirmation that it was sent in error and had been received.

'That confirmation arrived and was shown to me by Dr Freeman. I was satisfied that this was simply an administrative error and it wasn't necessary to escalate it further and so (then British Cycling performance director) Dave Brailsford was not made aware.'

To date a copy of the confirmation document shown to Peters has not been made public.


So if the GMC has got Fit4Sport to talk and has the paperwork, the doc is s****ed. If not, it's business as usual.
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Yesterday 11:03

Originally, it was Fit 4 Sport refused to cooperate with British Cycling to confirm the letter stating they had sent the Testosterone in error. Matt Lawton then later confirmed Fit 4 Sport had cooperated with UKAD and I thought Sapstead confirmed this is what happened and why the Testosterone story went no further as the letter got confirmed.
However, since GMC got involved after UKAD closed the case against Freeman in March, it now seems the story is now the Testosterone was actually ordered on purpose and/or received on purpose, but Freeman's need for the Testosterone was not for riders but some other purpose and this would therefore be against GMC principles and of course Fit 4 Sport are not a licenced medicine supplier either.
I might have my wires cross, but wasn't Viagra alleged to be in the package too suggesting Freeman was treating someone privately with testosterone and viagra?
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Yesterday 11:35

samhocking wrote:Originally, it was Fit 4 Sport refused to cooperate with British Cycling to confirm the letter stating they had sent the Testosterone in error. Matt Lawton then later confirmed Fit 4 Sport had cooperated with UKAD and I thought Sapstead confirmed this is what happened and why the Testosterone story went no further as the letter got confirmed.
However, since GMC got involved after UKAD closed the case against Freeman in March, it now seems the story is now the Testosterone was actually ordered on purpose and/or received on purpose, but Freeman's need for the Testosterone was not for riders but some other purpose and this would therefore be against GMC principles and of course Fit 4 Sport are not a licenced medicine supplier either.
I might have my wires cross, but wasn't Viagra alleged to be in the package too suggesting Freeman was treating someone privately with testosterone and viagra?


Hence why Freeman may be in trouble with UKAD as an athlete support person - The rules are clear that an Athlete Support person must not have prohibited substances at their workplace.
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Yesterday 12:56

Is there a WADA rule for that? All cycling doctors would have Corticosteroids within their workplace for example. Is it not simply the prohibited substance has to be in relation to an athlete to be against the rules as per the WADA code below covering Support Staff:

2.6.2 Possession by an Athlete Support Person
In-Competition of any Prohibited Substance or
any Prohibited Method, or Possession by an
Athlete Support Person Out-of-Competition of
any Prohibited Substance or any Prohibited
Method which is prohibited Out-of-Competition
in connection with an Athlete
, Competition or
training, unless the Athlete Support Person
establishes that the Possession is consistent
with a TUE granted to an Athlete in accordance
with Article 4.4 or other acceptable justification.


The rule seems to suggest possession of prohibited substance in competition is an offence, but possession of a prohibited substance out of competition would need to be in connection with an Athlete, a compeition or training athletes? So if Freeman was ordering for someone not an athlete, it's not a WADA sanctionable offence, but would be a GMC issue and why GMC are opening a medical tribunal for him.
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