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Andre Cardoso positive for EPO

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02 Jan 2018 14:25

Is him still with contract with Trek for the next season in case of a Bsample negative?
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01 Mar 2018 14:55

According to ammattipyoraily on twitter, a Portuguese newspaper says the B-sample didn't confirm presence of EPO for sure

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/969220074446999552

Case will now go to CAS as the Portuguese cycling federation still demand a ban. Seems like a very strange situation?

http://www.abola.pt/Nnh/Noticias/Ver/718622
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01 Mar 2018 15:45

Something fishy about the Cardoso case - A negative B sample MEANS no AAF.
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01 Mar 2018 17:34

The phrasing in the article is odd. I had assumed that an EPO test gave a binary present/not present result, but this sounds like there was some kind of ambiguity which sounds more like the kind of thing that can arise in a blood passport case or in a test for substances where the quantity rather than presence of a substance is at issue.
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01 Mar 2018 19:35

Zinoviev Letter wrote:The phrasing in the article is odd. I had assumed that an EPO test gave a binary present/not present result, but this sounds like there was some kind of ambiguity which sounds more like the kind of thing that can arise in a blood passport case or in a test for substances where the quantity rather than presence of a substance is at issue.


An EPO test results in bands of different shades.

Here's what it looks like

The band on the left is a negative test. The other two bands are positives. Cardoso's test apparently was somewhere in between.
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01 Mar 2018 22:37

GuyIncognito wrote:
Zinoviev Letter wrote:The phrasing in the article is odd. I had assumed that an EPO test gave a binary present/not present result, but this sounds like there was some kind of ambiguity which sounds more like the kind of thing that can arise in a blood passport case or in a test for substances where the quantity rather than presence of a substance is at issue.


An EPO test results in bands of different shades.

Here's what it looks like

The band on the left is a negative test. The other two bands are positives. Cardoso's test apparently was somewhere in between.


Thanks for that.
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03 Mar 2018 16:36

LaFlorecita wrote:Case will now go to CAS as the Portuguese cycling federation still demand a ban.


The Portuguese newspaper article makes no mention to the Portuguese federation.

Its the CADS and LADS http://www.uci.ch/clean-sport/anti-doping/ both from the UCI itself who are requesting the suspension to be maintained.
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05 Mar 2018 01:18

If the newspaper report and the inferences we are drawing from it here are correct (two big ifs), it seems very likely that CAS will find in his favour.
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05 Mar 2018 08:54

iosonofuturista wrote:
LaFlorecita wrote:Case will now go to CAS as the Portuguese cycling federation still demand a ban.


The Portuguese newspaper article makes no mention to the Portuguese federation.

Its the CADS and LADS http://www.uci.ch/clean-sport/anti-doping/ both from the UCI itself who are requesting the suspension to be maintained.

Sorry about that, I hadn't seen those abbrevations before so assumed they were Portuguese.
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05 Mar 2018 10:22

This story about the first EPO tests in cycling and different A and B results may be relevant here https://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/6/6/2209300/the-curious-case-of-the-iuml-and-the-epo-positive-that-wasnt
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