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16 Apr 2018 13:34

I don't care if they juice the **** up if we see a Astana-Froome showdown like in 2015 with Alberto. Preferably with Sky being as week as Tinkoff!
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16 Apr 2018 15:31

If the Astana guys are racing for their careers, it could be some crazy racing in the Giro.
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16 Apr 2018 21:30

Valv.Piti wrote:I don't care if they juice the **** up if we see a Astana-Froome showdown like in 2015 with Alberto. Preferably with Sky being as week as Tinkoff!


No money for juice. It's amazing what pan y agua plus the usual Vino motivation can do.
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17 Apr 2018 08:22

Rollthedice wrote:
Valv.Piti wrote:I don't care if they juice the **** up if we see a Astana-Froome showdown like in 2015 with Alberto. Preferably with Sky being as week as Tinkoff!


No money for juice. It's amazing what pan y agua plus the usual Vino motivation can do.


pan agua y vino - the holy trinity.
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17 Apr 2018 13:34

3 wins in a row. thank god Sky is not doing that. the servers wouldnt cope with that :D
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18 Apr 2018 05:27

pastronef wrote:3 wins in a row. thank god Sky is not doing that. the servers wouldnt cope with that :D


If Astana are going to go down in flames, then sit back and enjoy the show. :D
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18 Apr 2018 07:59

Robert5091 wrote:
pastronef wrote:3 wins in a row. thank god Sky is not doing that. the servers wouldnt cope with that :D


If Astana are going to go down in flames, then sit back and enjoy the show. :D


I dont even want them to go down. I wouldnt enjoy. I am not wishing stuff like that to any team.
that´s why I am baffled when people wish teams to go down in flames.
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19 Apr 2018 17:19

pastronef wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:
pastronef wrote:3 wins in a row. thank god Sky is not doing that. the servers wouldnt cope with that :D


If Astana are going to go down in flames, then sit back and enjoy the show. :D


I dont even want them to go down. I wouldnt enjoy. I am not wishing stuff like that to any team.
that´s why I am baffled when people wish teams to go down in flames.

I think Astana has serious money problems and it's most probable they will discontinue next year. There's a very high probability of them going down no matter what. I don't think anyone here is wishing any team to go down. It seems Vino still has some leftovers in his basement as Astana boys are giving QuickStep run for their money. Lulu Sanchez just snatched a nice win in Trentino/Tirol/Alps/whatever.
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28 Apr 2018 06:27

Nobody wishes teams to go down in flames (ok fanboys might do) but the thought of not having a contract probably is concentrating the mind more then usual at Astana.
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04 May 2018 18:49

ToB today:

"The first uphill finish [1.8km at 8%] in the history of the race has been won by a sprinter"
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04 May 2018 19:23

Cort is undoubtedly climbing better at Astana but his sprinting is no better.
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04 May 2018 23:02

railxmig wrote:
I think Astana has serious money problems and it's most probable they will discontinue next year. There's a very high probability of them going down no matter what. I don't think anyone here is wishing any team to go down. It seems Vino still has some leftovers in his basement as Astana boys are giving QuickStep run for their money. Lulu Sanchez just snatched a nice win in Trentino/Tirol/Alps/whatever.


Astana wont fold
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06 May 2018 10:25

Wiggo's Package wrote:ToB today:

"The first uphill finish [1.8km at 8%] in the history of the race has been won by a sprinter"

First of all, calling Cort a sprinter shows a lack of insight, coupled with the fact that Cort's force has always been slightly uphill sprints in terrain where most pure sprinters have given up.

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https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-of-denmark/2016/stage-2
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09 May 2018 18:28

proffate wrote:I find it disturbing that you call this man chubby. You clearly have a warped perception of the human form if you think arms are supposed to get any skinnier than that. Tejay, Froome, Zakarin etc. are the freaks who should be shamed. Who looks more like the pre-epo cycling greats (Lemond, Hinault, Merckx) --- Lutsenko or Poels?


Whatever PEDs are in vogue right now includes something that causes weight loss and no decline in power. It's been this way for years.
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09 May 2018 18:41

DirtyWorks wrote:
proffate wrote:I find it disturbing that you call this man chubby. You clearly have a warped perception of the human form if you think arms are supposed to get any skinnier than that. Tejay, Froome, Zakarin etc. are the freaks who should be shamed. Who looks more like the pre-epo cycling greats (Lemond, Hinault, Merckx) --- Lutsenko or Poels?


Whatever PEDs are in vogue right now includes something that causes weight loss and no decline in power. It's been this way for years.


Cadel Evans said exactly this I think in 2012 or 2013. What happened in 2012? It seems to me that other teams have caught up in the arms race.
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09 May 2018 19:39

DirtyWorks wrote:
proffate wrote:I find it disturbing that you call this man chubby. You clearly have a warped perception of the human form if you think arms are supposed to get any skinnier than that. Tejay, Froome, Zakarin etc. are the freaks who should be shamed. Who looks more like the pre-epo cycling greats (Lemond, Hinault, Merckx) --- Lutsenko or Poels?


Whatever PEDs are in vogue right now includes something that causes weight loss and no decline in power. It's been this way for years.


Compound 14

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/a-pill-to-make-exercise-obsolete
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10 May 2018 13:37

So. Lopez. Come on guys, what's he on that's slowing him down so much?
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10 May 2018 13:48

fmk_RoI wrote:So. Lopez. Come on guys, what's he on that's slowing him down so much?


The pavement, and grass. It's difficult to ride your fastest when you can barely stay on your bike.
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10 May 2018 14:37

Yeah, let's revisit this thread in ~45 minutes
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10 May 2018 23:25

DirtyWorks wrote:
proffate wrote:I find it disturbing that you call this man chubby. You clearly have a warped perception of the human form if you think arms are supposed to get any skinnier than that. Tejay, Froome, Zakarin etc. are the freaks who should be shamed. Who looks more like the pre-epo cycling greats (Lemond, Hinault, Merckx) --- Lutsenko or Poels?


Whatever PEDs are in vogue right now includes something that causes weight loss and no decline in power. It's been this way for years.


Nutritional ketosis has a protein-sparing effect and burns fats. No need for PEDs.
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