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17 Sep 2017 15:59

Wow, they beat BMC?
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17 Sep 2017 16:11

Sunweb ride Giant frames. I would not trust Giant are not part of the 'motor revolution' in the sport.
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17 Sep 2017 16:59

At least that means we get a train race between Sky and Sunweb.
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17 Sep 2017 21:07

DanielSong39 wrote:Wow, they beat BMC?

Any team with Dumoulin, Matthews and Kelderman would be very hard to beat.
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17 Sep 2017 21:10

behind the Giant-Shimano (and previously Argos) Giant-Alpecin, Giant-Sunweb, Sunweb there must be a similar marketing and PR brain to Sky but they did it slower, from the Argos years, now since 3-4 years with the #creatingmemories hashtag and the 2 vertical lines on the jersey (while Sky has 1....) the "young team", the 2015 Dumo-Vuelta experiment, the likeable team...
it´s coming together. kudos to Spekenbrink and co. for working behind that. they planned for long time. just look at Dumo´s contract until 2021.
they saw Sky´s big mistakes and Sky´s methods and marginal gains and learned from them. they have everything to please the public. Geschke, Ten Dam (tweeting to digger today ffs) the young guns from Holland and Australia etc
that is going to be huge. Kelderman stepped up big time and well, Dumo winning in Oropa is an aperitif of what is coming next year. and today we had the confirmation.
the team that will try to defeat Sky (with their similar methods, because they saw Sky and slowly learned) is coming

Dumo in 2015 "Wiggins showed me what´s possible"

http://teamsunweb.com/auping-tech/

bring their own mattresses and train in South Africa
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17 Sep 2017 21:37

I'm sure they're about as clean as Sky but they have the advantage of being a fresh face and not insulting the public with bogus PR. Yes, train races are boring but if there are two trains then at least there is some suspense.
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17 Sep 2017 22:48

DanielSong39 wrote:I'm sure they're about as clean as Sky but they have the advantage of being a fresh face and not insulting the public with bogus PR. Yes, train races are boring but if there are two trains then at least there is some suspense.


And Dumoulin at least got some results as a young guy and is pretty enough to go on a magazine cover and not hurt sales. :D
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18 Sep 2017 10:39

DanielSong39 wrote:I'm sure they're about as clean as Sky but they have the advantage of being a fresh face and not insulting the public with bogus PR. Yes, train races are boring but if there are two trains then at least there is some suspense.


Well, in fact they came to the scene telling everyone how different they were. And it made a sort of sense, going only for mass sprints, only to have some classic success a couple of years later.

But indeed, they never insulted someone's intelligence the way Sky does, they never brought boring racing or insane dominance. And Dumoulin developed in a very natural way. Step by step, getting stronger year by year.

For now, we can only hope they'll become as strong as Sky, with Kelderman, Oomen and Ten Dam in the mountains, and probably someone to replace Barguil.
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18 Sep 2017 10:51

pastronef wrote:behind the Giant-Shimano (and previously Argos) Giant-Alpecin, Giant-Sunweb, Sunweb there must be a similar marketing and PR brain to Sky but they did it slower, from the Argos years, now since 3-4 years with the #creatingmemories hashtag and the 2 vertical lines on the jersey (while Sky has 1....) the "young team", the 2015 Dumo-Vuelta experiment, the likeable team...
it´s coming together. kudos to Spekenbrink and co. for working behind that. they planned for long time. just look at Dumo´s contract until 2021.
they saw Sky´s big mistakes and Sky´s methods and marginal gains and learned from them. they have everything to please the public. Geschke, Ten Dam (tweeting to digger today ffs) the young guns from Holland and Australia etc
that is going to be huge. Kelderman stepped up big time and well, Dumo winning in Oropa is an aperitif of what is coming next year. and today we had the confirmation.
the team that will try to defeat Sky (with their similar methods, because they saw Sky and slowly learned) is coming

Dumo in 2015 "Wiggins showed me what´s possible"

http://teamsunweb.com/auping-tech/

bring their own mattresses and train in South Africa


Good post, makes totally sense.
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18 Sep 2017 14:52

I'm confused. So are they doping or not?
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18 Sep 2017 14:55

Craigee wrote:I'm confused. So are they doping or not?


yes, and they will beat Sky. so they are welcome
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18 Sep 2017 15:18

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Craigee wrote:I'm confused. So are they doping or not?


yes, and they will beat Sky. so they are welcome


Cheers that's what I think too. Even more obvious to me than the two teams results is the way they don't peak in form or should I say stay at their peak. It's not right.
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18 Sep 2017 19:35

Pennino wrote:For now, we can only hope they'll become as strong as Sky, with Kelderman, Oomen and Ten Dam in the mountains, and probably someone to replace Barguil.


oh cmon, ten dam? He wouldn't have a place on Sky's B team and he's on his way out. He's a competent road captain who disappeared long before the final climb on every stage of the giro. The only visible contribution from an outside observer's perspective was after shitgate and he still couldn't hang with his captain the way nieve, poels, kwia, geraint, ...
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19 Sep 2017 05:05

proffate wrote:
Pennino wrote:For now, we can only hope they'll become as strong as Sky, with Kelderman, Oomen and Ten Dam in the mountains, and probably someone to replace Barguil.


oh cmon, ten dam? He wouldn't have a place on Sky's B team and he's on his way out. He's a competent road captain who disappeared long before the final climb on every stage of the giro. The only visible contribution from an outside observer's perspective was after shitgate and he still couldn't hang with his captain the way nieve, poels, kwia, geraint, ...


Ten Dam could be still very decent if he can peak for the TDF the way he did before joining Sunweb. I mean really peaking, not entering a serious race and just preparing somewhere in the US. Curious if he could pull that off again.
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19 Sep 2017 06:27

Are people here seriously suggesting that Sunweb can challenge Sky in the mountains? I think some are vastly overestimating the strength of Sunwebs squad.
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19 Sep 2017 08:19

It should be noted however that on the Angliru stage, they still had 3 man working for Kelderman at the first part of the climb. This is after Cobertoria and Cordal, and this was without Barguil and Oomen.
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19 Sep 2017 14:42

Dekker_Tifosi wrote:It should be noted however that on the Angliru stage, they still had 3 man working for Kelderman at the first part of the climb. This is after Cobertoria and Cordal, and this was without Barguil and Oomen.

Who was that, Søren Kragh, Hofstede and?
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19 Sep 2017 14:48

Valv.Piti wrote:
Dekker_Tifosi wrote:It should be noted however that on the Angliru stage, they still had 3 man working for Kelderman at the first part of the climb. This is after Cobertoria and Cordal, and this was without Barguil and Oomen.

Who was that, Søren Kragh, Hofstede and?

Kragh Andersen, Haga, Hamilton.
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19 Sep 2017 18:12

Sunweb are fine. No worse than anyone else. Dumoulin is only 26 so he is on the up. Good on them.
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20 Sep 2017 08:22

Youngest ever team that won the worlds TTT, nobody older than 26. The 90-ties generation is insane
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