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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

18 Jul 2018 14:04

glassmoon wrote:
Nighttrain99 wrote:During today’s The Move podcast Armstrong had some harsh words about Vaughter’s training of Craddock last year. Basically said it cost Craddock a year of his career.

Which one would that be?
https://soundcloud.com/user-411867241
Thanks.
EDIT: Never mind, I've found it (towards the end of stage 7 bc).


Ironic considering All the doping Wonderboy did, had probably cost several top riders places and monies.
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19 Jul 2018 20:41

He's been quite funny listening. Apparently Bruneyll was the one that discovered Kwia too
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20 Jul 2018 09:30

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Puckfiend wrote:A few things I have learned watching Lance's Tour podcast:

He thinks Brailsford needs to stay in the Sky bus and STFU. He hates the top tube downhill position adopted by some of the peloton. He thanks Hinault is a crabby ol' bast*rd, and needs to join Brailsford on the Sky bus and STFU. Then the funniest one: he was seriously pissed that the USPS had an ad on yesterday's NBCSports coverage of stage 5. He laughed it off and said that the ad was paid for by himself.



Now that my anger has completely died Im starting to really enjoy Lance 2.0 (or whatever iteration he is up to)

“Time is a great thickener of things.”

He's actually quite entertaining. I guess most of the people have a natural tendency to be empathic with losers and he has been a big loser since the confession. I guess one day we will accept Froomey as well.
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30 Jul 2018 21:09

Lengthy and decent interview with Lance on the Freakonomics podcast.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

31 Jul 2018 00:47

MSNBC reported Armstrong cleated $1 million in sales for his podcast and merchandising in the 3 weeks of the Tour :cool:
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

31 Jul 2018 02:04

thehog wrote:MSNBC reported Armstrong cleated $1 million in sales for his podcast and merchandising in the 3 weeks of the Tour :cool:


And Kylie Jenner is going to be a billionaire. U.S. society is the worst.

Interesting he got so much out of it considering the soundcloud numbers for the pod are very low.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

31 Jul 2018 02:16

thehog wrote:MSNBC reported Armstrong cleated $1 million in sales for his podcast and merchandising in the 3 weeks of the Tour :cool:


I saw what you did there.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

31 Jul 2018 15:33

For the most part I found his Move tour podcasts enjoyable and insightful, especially when Hincapie was part of the discussion. Armstrong comes off has pretty much an unbiased observer with some interesting ideas most of the time.

But then, in small doses and on rare occasions, he just can't seem to resist the urge to go off on someone or other from his riding days. People for whom he still carries tremendous resentment. His attacks on Vaughters and Contador, in particular, seemed absurdly petty and full of vitriol. While I like that he shares strong opinions etc... I thought the very aggressive attacks on those two were very off-putting, out-of-line and offered nothing to the show.
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01 Aug 2018 13:41

I listened (napped through, actually) the Freakonomics podcast with Lance. Did glean this little gem: Lance invested early on in Docu-sign and Uber. We can offically call of the telethon fund raiser for him.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

01 Aug 2018 16:27

eleven wrote:For the most part I found his Move tour podcasts enjoyable and insightful, especially when Hincapie was part of the discussion. Armstrong comes off has pretty much an unbiased observer with some interesting ideas most of the time.

But then, in small doses and on rare occasions, he just can't seem to resist the urge to go off on someone or other from his riding days. People for whom he still carries tremendous resentment. His attacks on Vaughters and Contador, in particular, seemed absurdly petty and full of vitriol. While I like that he shares strong opinions etc... I thought the very aggressive attacks on those two were very off-putting, out-of-line and offered nothing to the show.

I don't think Lance has ever done much more than, say, Contador or Froome (except being sometimes a a**hole like with Simeoni). It must therefore be very annoying for him to see El Pistolero going around the Tour when:
-he was on Fuentes list
-he has actually being doping sanctioned during activity
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01 Aug 2018 18:37

franic wrote:
Bosco10 wrote:
Barney wrote:
Puckfiend wrote:A few things I have learned watching Lance's Tour podcast:

He thinks Brailsford needs to stay in the Sky bus and STFU. He hates the top tube downhill position adopted by some of the peloton. He thanks Hinault is a crabby ol' bast*rd, and needs to join Brailsford on the Sky bus and STFU. Then the funniest one: he was seriously pissed that the USPS had an ad on yesterday's NBCSports coverage of stage 5. He laughed it off and said that the ad was paid for by himself.



Now that my anger has completely died Im starting to really enjoy Lance 2.0 (or whatever iteration he is up to)

“Time is a great thickener of things.”

He's actually quite entertaining. I guess most of the people have a natural tendency to be empathic with losers and he has been a big loser since the confession. I guess one day we will accept Froomey as well.


I think you're right about empathy -- I wonder how LA would be viewed if he'd never been busted but was trailed by a lot of suspicion. I suspect he'd be much less in demand. Maybe that's why Virenque is embraced in France now despite Festina.

Froome should win one more Tour, then confess all in preparation for a happy retirement...
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01 Aug 2018 18:43

Bolder wrote:
franic wrote:
Bosco10 wrote:
Barney wrote:
Puckfiend wrote:A few things I have learned watching Lance's Tour podcast:

He thinks Brailsford needs to stay in the Sky bus and STFU. He hates the top tube downhill position adopted by some of the peloton. He thanks Hinault is a crabby ol' bast*rd, and needs to join Brailsford on the Sky bus and STFU. Then the funniest one: he was seriously pissed that the USPS had an ad on yesterday's NBCSports coverage of stage 5. He laughed it off and said that the ad was paid for by himself.



Now that my anger has completely died Im starting to really enjoy Lance 2.0 (or whatever iteration he is up to)

“Time is a great thickener of things.”

He's actually quite entertaining. I guess most of the people have a natural tendency to be empathic with losers and he has been a big loser since the confession. I guess one day we will accept Froomey as well.


I think you're right about empathy -- I wonder how LA would be viewed if he'd never been busted but was trailed by a lot of suspicion. I suspect he'd be much less in demand. Maybe that's why Virenque is embraced in France now despite Festina.

Froome should win one more Tour, then confess all in preparation for a happy retirement...

He should indeed, maybe fu**ing up Wiggo and G on the way. Bjarne Riis had a nice few years after the confession in 2007.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

01 Aug 2018 19:41

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eleven wrote:For the most part I found his Move tour podcasts enjoyable and insightful, especially when Hincapie was part of the discussion. Armstrong comes off has pretty much an unbiased observer with some interesting ideas most of the time.

But then, in small doses and on rare occasions, he just can't seem to resist the urge to go off on someone or other from his riding days. People for whom he still carries tremendous resentment. His attacks on Vaughters and Contador, in particular, seemed absurdly petty and full of vitriol. While I like that he shares strong opinions etc... I thought the very aggressive attacks on those two were very off-putting, out-of-line and offered nothing to the show.

I don't think Lance has ever done much more than, say, Contador or Froome (except being sometimes a a**hole like with Simeoni). It must therefore be very annoying for him to see El Pistolero going around the Tour when:
-he was on Fuentes list
-he has actually being doping sanctioned during activity


No doubt you're right. And while I could understand him holding those views I don't think it benefits his audience or show to express such personal vitriol. If I was, for example, NBC Sports and thinking of bringing him into the fold, those comments would be a big turn off. And don't think for a minute that NBC doesn't see his podcast numbers and want to bring him in.
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02 Aug 2018 16:59

The idea is to create an entertaining broadcast to generate revenue.
if it was one person (LA), it would be a rant. So that why there is a host to steer the topics and a counterpoint in Hincapie, the only person from whom LA will probably take criticism. With the other guys there, he can rant as much as he wants while the other guys laugh. So it becomes entertainment/sensational and not weird. The show is pretty much filtered with no negative questions/comments and also nothing on doping. Throw in some French bashing and bring in some kids and some cycling related guys and it gives the Aura of redemption for LA and appeal to the American public especially local public in Texas/Colorado. First state then the country and finally the world.
He is still as unapologetic as ever especially when he dissed G's time on Alpe to Pantani/himself without mentioning doping.
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02 Aug 2018 17:48

What’s he supposed to apologize for? Birthing Sky? Get on that.
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02 Aug 2018 17:56

I didn't get the impression that he was "dissing" G's time up the alpe. He plainly stated that his was just a time trial starting at the bottom of the mountain while G's time was at the end of a stage. He did say that Thomas, Froome, Dumolin and Bardet (was it Bardet? I can't remember) were soft pedaling there at the end.
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

10 Aug 2018 13:49


That is very interesting find. Shows that, in 2009, collectors were willing to overlook any suspicions about Armstrong and Livestrong Foundation
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/armstrongs-damien-hirst-bike-fetches-half-million-65240
Bono, the lead singer of Irish band U2, had approached Hirst to create the bike for Armstrong

Bono, of all people? One of the least-athletic celebrities circa 2009, so I would not have guessed there is any association between them. I had no idea that this butterfly bike ever existed.

A lot of the prices realized in that list has to do with: the sale being a charity fundraiser for Livestrong, and with the trendiness of artists like Damien Hirst, Yoshimoto Nara, KAWS. These bikes were bad investments, and have to be seen as a give-away to the 'charity' for unique artworks, not sports memorabilia per se

How about what purists would call 'real' cycling memorabilia, sold at 'real auctions', what was the highest price ever paid at auction for historic bikes, jerseys, etc. ???
Probably not very much for the clothing, if a Merckx yellow jersey sold for £4,200
http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/eddy-merckx-jersey-sells-for-4200-at-auction/
Historic bikes might be worth a lot
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

10 Aug 2018 17:05

Linked (with thanks to OP Basecase) as relevant here as well...

From: Official "another interesting piece I found on Floyd Landis" Thread

Paul Kimmage talks to Floyd Landis - He won the Tour de France, then lost it for doping, and it almost cost him his life

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?p=2297982#p2297982

July 30th, 2018, 1:00 am

From Sunday Independent

https://m.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/cycling/paul-kimmage-talks-to-floyd-landis-he-won-the-tour-de-france-then-lost-it-for-doping-and-it-almost-cost-him-his-life-37164135.html
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Re: Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 4 (Post-Settlement

10 Aug 2018 17:15

ClassicomanoLuigi wrote:

That is very interesting find. Shows that, in 2009, collectors were willing to overlook any suspicions about Armstrong and Livestrong Foundation
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/armstrongs-damien-hirst-bike-fetches-half-million-65240
Bono, the lead singer of Irish band U2, had approached Hirst to create the bike for Armstrong

Bono, of all people? One of the least-athletic celebrities circa 2009, so I would not have guessed there is any association between them. I had no idea that this butterfly bike ever existed.

A lot of the prices realized in that list has to do with: the sale being a charity fundraiser for Livestrong, and with the trendiness of artists like Damien Hirst, Yoshimoto Nara, KAWS. These bikes were bad investments, and have to be seen as a give-away to the 'charity' for unique artworks, not sports memorabilia per se

How about what purists would call 'real' cycling memorabilia, sold at 'real auctions', what was the highest price ever paid at auction for historic bikes, jerseys, etc. ???
Probably not very much for the clothing, if a Merckx yellow jersey sold for £4,200
http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/eddy-merckx-jersey-sells-for-4200-at-auction/
Historic bikes might be worth a lot


Some additional links for the curious regarding valuations:

http://www.copakeauction.com/auction/27th-annual-bicycle-auction-2018-04-21/

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/vrbn-o-z.html
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