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01 Jul 2018 20:24

Are all terms related to mental illness or retardation that were later colloquialised to mean something negative in general also banned? Because that’s a long list: Demented, crazy, stupid, obtuse, insane, manic, hysteric, dumb, impulsive, retarded, unintelligent, mental...and the list goes on.

Btw, “retarded” is just the latest of a long list of words pertaining to (amongst other) a human condition seen as negative. The word was chosen to cause the least offense and stigma possible (it literally means delayed in technical jargon), and believe me, whatever new word or euphemism is adopted instead will become equally “tainted”. However, there is a fact that some actions or people are less intelligent than others, and it’s commonly found (mostly subjective) and therefore will have a word associated with it. So are we now not allowed to label anything as less than optimal and/or counterproductive, or do we just shun certain words which are deemed “offensive” by any group or individuals? Also, I highly doubt the OP wished to disparage people diagnosed with mental retardation, and I think everyone knows that. Context matters more than words themselves.

On topic: The stage will be madness (no offense, really) and I think CF might suffer as he seems to revel in long wars of attrition being the “last man standing” and profit from his extreme endurance. Valverde, Barguil or Porte to win.
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01 Jul 2018 21:07

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Alex Simmons/RST wrote:When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?


Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

MTTs are different. But not many examples of road race stages less than 100km in recent history. I think Riis stage was shortened due to weather or road problems, not a planned short stage.
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02 Jul 2018 05:30

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
thehog wrote:
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?


Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

MTTs are different. But not many examples of road race stages less than 100km in recent history. I think Riis stage was shortened due to weather or road problems, not a planned short stage.


101km? :cool:
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02 Jul 2018 15:53

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
thehog wrote:
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?


Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

MTTs are different. But not many examples of road race stages less than 100km in recent history. I think Riis stage was shortened due to weather or road problems, not a planned short stage.

I published it in the road forum. The only one that I can remember goes back to 1985. Roche won the stage. He even used the TT lycra uniform. From the get go Hinault was being dropped. It was a nice stage. 52.5 kilometers.

Stage 18A:Wednesday, July 17, Luz St.Sauveur - Col d'Aubisque, 52.5 km

Major Ascents: Soulor, Aubisque
1. Stephen Roche: 1hr 39min 19sec
2. Sean Kelly @ 1min 3sec
3. Paul Wellens @ 1min 7sec
4. Luis Herrera @ 1min 15sec 5. Phil Anderson s.t.
6. Pedro Delgado s.t.
7. Greg LeMond s.t.
8. Bernard Hinault @ 1min 30sec
9. Beat Breu s.t.
10. Niki Ruttimann @ 1min 56sec
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02 Jul 2018 15:54

This is becoming very non-clinic like...
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02 Jul 2018 16:27

it should never be in the clinic in the first place
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02 Jul 2018 16:57

King Boonen wrote:This is becoming very non-clinic like...


Once the Tour rolls around it will become more Clinic like, especially with Froome in the frame! :p
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02 Jul 2018 18:46

With today's announcement, they need to just stop anti doping tests and let everyone use whatever the heck they want to including motors. Why not, the UCI doesn't actually care.
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02 Jul 2018 20:04

Well they let Valverde ride so maybe you're right. I'm actually glad. I'm sick of "doping" being used to mask hatred of individual riders... or teams. Too many "Mary Whitehouse" sheet-sniffers taking obnoxious puritanical stances in this forum. Some posters here never post anywhere else on the CN Forums. There are some great posters in this sub-forum ... the ones who actually bring some scientific analysis to the subject in particular, but you have to wade through a morass of bile to find it. I'm reminded of something in Viv Albertine's autobiography: she says, in the company of Don Cherry (jazz musician) that she hates junkies (he is a junkie). He replies that he "hates hate". I'm sick of it. Really looking forward to the first half of the TDF.
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02 Jul 2018 20:56

armchairclimber wrote:Well they let Valverde ride so maybe you're right. I'm actually glad. I'm sick of "doping" being used to mask hatred of individual riders... or teams. Too many "Mary Whitehouse" sheet-sniffers taking obnoxious puritanical stances in this forum. Some posters here never post anywhere else on the CN Forums. There are some great posters in this sub-forum ... the ones who actually bring some scientific analysis to the subject in particular, but you have to wade through a morass of bile to find it. I'm reminded of something in Viv Albertine's autobiography: she says, in the company of Don Cherry (jazz musician) that she hates junkies (he is a junkie). He replies that he "hates hate". I'm sick of it. Really looking forward to the first half of the TDF.


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02 Jul 2018 21:15

Escarabajo wrote:
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
thehog wrote:
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:When was the last time there was a short mountain stage? Riis in '96?


Short memory. Stage 13, 2017 Tour, 101km. Then of course there’s been MTTs.

MTTs are different. But not many examples of road race stages less than 100km in recent history. I think Riis stage was shortened due to weather or road problems, not a planned short stage.

I published it in the road forum. The only one that I can remember goes back to 1985. Roche won the stage. He even used the TT lycra uniform. From the get go Hinault was being dropped. It was a nice stage. 52.5 kilometers.

Stage 18A:Wednesday, July 17, Luz St.Sauveur - Col d'Aubisque, 52.5 km

Major Ascents: Soulor, Aubisque
1. Stephen Roche: 1hr 39min 19sec
2. Sean Kelly @ 1min 3sec
3. Paul Wellens @ 1min 7sec
4. Luis Herrera @ 1min 15sec 5. Phil Anderson s.t.
6. Pedro Delgado s.t.
7. Greg LeMond s.t.
8. Bernard Hinault @ 1min 30sec
9. Beat Breu s.t.
10. Niki Ruttimann @ 1min 56sec

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02 Jul 2018 21:18

There was a stage in the 70's to Mont Revard (I think) that was even shorter.
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02 Jul 2018 22:04

roundabout wrote:There was a stage in the 70's to Mont Revard (I think) that was even shorter.

I can only find Mount Revard having been climbed once last century, in 1965, Stage 18, a 26.9km MTT.

Maybe another climb?
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02 Jul 2018 22:19

Superbagneres in 1971 won by fuente
20 km road stage.
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03 Jul 2018 00:37

Koronin wrote:With today's announcement, they need to just stop anti doping tests and let everyone use whatever the heck they want to including motors. Why not, the UCI doesn't actually care.

:lol:

Moderators, please merge the clinic and the road cycling forums! it is officially legal to dope!
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jens_attacks wrote:Superbagneres in 1971 won by fuente
20 km road stage.

Nice pick up. Nearly 50 years ago!

That was back in the days of double stage days, although that was the only stage that day (stage 15).
On the double stage days there were plenty of shorter road stages.
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05 Jul 2018 09:33

So what will the sprinters be doing in a stage liek this?
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05 Jul 2018 09:38

Lequack wrote:So what will the sprinters be doing in a stage liek this?


Not much more then making sure they don't miss the time cut.
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06 Jul 2018 08:54

Alex Simmons/RST wrote:
roundabout wrote:There was a stage in the 70's to Mont Revard (I think) that was even shorter.

I can only find Mount Revard having been climbed once last century, in 1965, Stage 18, a 26.9km MTT.

Maybe another climb?


1972, stage 15

http://bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdf1972.html

Le Revard is the name of the ski resort there
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06 Jul 2018 09:08

armchairclimber wrote:Well they let Valverde ride so maybe you're right. I'm actually glad. I'm sick of "doping" being used to mask hatred of individual riders... or teams. Too many "Mary Whitehouse" sheet-sniffers taking obnoxious puritanical stances in this forum. Some posters here never post anywhere else on the CN Forums. There are some great posters in this sub-forum ... the ones who actually bring some scientific analysis to the subject in particular, but you have to wade through a morass of bile to find it. I'm reminded of something in Viv Albertine's autobiography: she says, in the company of Don Cherry (jazz musician) that she hates junkies (he is a junkie). He replies that he "hates hate". I'm sick of it. Really looking forward to the first half of the TDF.


And why wouldn't they let Valverde ride? :confused:
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