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08 Aug 2018 21:10

I know I already gave my 3 but Quorn boy Farah has to be up there with Bolt and Serena. What a royal cheating ****
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08 Aug 2018 22:33

Too many to list but I'll try anyway:

Track - Bolt
Cycling - Armstrong
Baseball - Bonds
Tennis - Nadal, Serena
Golf - Tiger
Basketball - Lebron
Football - Messi

But asking whether athletes dope is like asking whether politicians lie. You know the answer to that one.
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08 Aug 2018 22:46

All of mine have been mentioned already but I still have to say special mention for the queen of doping, Flo Jo. Still holds the women's 100m record, set at the US Olympic Trials (lol) in 1988. In the 30 years since then, nobody else has run within 0.15 of her time.
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08 Aug 2018 23:20

Kratochvilova is honestly hilarious. She improved her 400 meter time by over 5 seconds after the age of 27 and her 800 meter record still stands today, 35 years after it was set. Only two athletes have gotten within a second of it since, and one of those is Caster Semenya who is practically a dude. Not that Kratochvilova wasn't a dude too. She was comfortably more masculine in her roided up prime than I can ever hope to be, no matter how hard I work out.
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09 Aug 2018 09:07

OldCranky wrote:All of mine have been mentioned already but I still have to say special mention for the queen of doping, Flo Jo. Still holds the women's 100m record, set at the US Olympic Trials (lol) in 1988. In the 30 years since then, nobody else has run within 0.15 of her time.


She paid the ultimate price for her deeds...
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09 Aug 2018 10:30

A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?
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09 Aug 2018 11:04

DanielSong39 wrote:
OldCranky wrote:All of mine have been mentioned already but I still have to say special mention for the queen of doping, Flo Jo. Still holds the women's 100m record, set at the US Olympic Trials (lol) in 1988. In the 30 years since then, nobody else has run within 0.15 of her time.


She paid the ultimate price for her deeds...

Not really. She died from suffocation during an epileptic fit, which was caused by a congenital brain abnormality. Nothing linking it to doping.
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10 Aug 2018 05:10

The Austrian alpine skiing team in the early 2000s was quite ridiculous. From being among the best teams to winning every race usually getting all three spots on the podium and in one case the first nine skiers in a race were all Austrian. To top it off their two most successful skiers were Maier and eberharter, one a noname who suddenly bursted on the scene at a relatively high age and completely dominated, the other one once a big prospect who disappointed after a successful career start just to all of a sudden be twice as good as he ever was from one year to another. Don't sound like the narratives of dopers at all, right? :lol:
BTW, luckily I'm anonymous on this forum asI'd get crucified for saying what I just wrote in public.
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10 Aug 2018 06:10

Singer01 wrote:A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?



Biases aside, interesting article:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/olympics/jarmila-kratochvilova-800-meters-record.html
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10 Aug 2018 06:59

Black Betsy wrote:
Singer01 wrote:A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?



Biases aside, interesting article:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/olympics/jarmila-kratochvilova-800-meters-record.html

Haha. Look how far behind everyone else was at the finish.
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10 Aug 2018 20:12

Gigs_98 wrote:The Austrian alpine skiing team in the early 2000s was quite ridiculous. From being among the best teams to winning every race usually getting all three spots on the podium and in one case the first nine skiers in a race were all Austrian. To top it off their two most successful skiers were Maier and eberharter, one a noname who suddenly bursted on the scene at a relatively high age and completely dominated, the other one once a big prospect who disappointed after a successful career start just to all of a sudden be twice as good as he ever was from one year to another. Don't sound like the narratives of dopers at all, right? :lol:
BTW, luckily I'm anonymous on this forum asI'd get crucified for saying what I just wrote in public.

That era was just full retard Austrian domination, boring as hell if you weren't Austrian. :D
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10 Aug 2018 20:49

Drop the retard talk, no need for it
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Re: Doping, all sports, hall of fame.

10 Aug 2018 21:58

Mayomaniac wrote:
Gigs_98 wrote:The Austrian alpine skiing team in the early 2000s was quite ridiculous. From being among the best teams to winning every race usually getting all three spots on the podium and in one case the first nine skiers in a race were all Austrian. To top it off their two most successful skiers were Maier and eberharter, one a noname who suddenly bursted on the scene at a relatively high age and completely dominated, the other one once a big prospect who disappointed after a successful career start just to all of a sudden be twice as good as he ever was from one year to another. Don't sound like the narratives of dopers at all, right? :lol:
BTW, luckily I'm anonymous on this forum asI'd get crucified for saying what I just wrote in public.

That era was just full retard Austrian domination, boring as hell if you weren't Austrian. :D
The Herminator was a beast, he was actually invited to the 2003 Tour de France and rode the prologue:
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I still have a couple of pairs of those adidas shoes and I'm wearing a pair in my avatar picture. :surprised:
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10 Aug 2018 22:38

Singer01 wrote:
Black Betsy wrote:
Singer01 wrote:A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?



Biases aside, interesting article:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/olympics/jarmila-kratochvilova-800-meters-record.html

Haha. Look how far behind everyone else was at the finish.


Reminds me of the short track equivalent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx_-DpRDwIs

Now where have I seen a finish like that before? Oh yeah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrt9yZL8dbI
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11 Aug 2018 01:09

OldCranky wrote:
Singer01 wrote:
Black Betsy wrote:
Singer01 wrote:A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?



Biases aside, interesting article:



https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/olympics/jarmila-kratochvilova-800-meters-record.html

Haha. Look how far behind everyone else was at the finish.


Reminds me of the short track equivalent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx_-DpRDwIs

Now where have I seen a finish like that before? Oh yeah...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrt9yZL8dbI


Is that any different from Rudisha or Carl Lewis though.

Rudisha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEOjWEzVGs

Carl Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fg-fz8ugF4
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11 Aug 2018 01:14

Actually when it comes to sprints it's tough to beat Cavendish at the Champs Elysees in 2009. It was more like a solo breakaway than a sprint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C4diLFBfcs

Nice encore in 2010.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4tr_l3z9Yg
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11 Aug 2018 03:43

Black Betsy wrote:
Singer01 wrote:A lot of love for Kratochvilova but none for Koch, is that because one (ridiculously) failed the ocular assessment?



Biases aside, interesting article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/15/sports/olympics/jarmila-kratochvilova-800-meters-record.html
That's a pretty good read.

I remember seeing a documentary about Kratochvilova a while back - forever and ever she'll claim she never doped (or was given some roids without her knowledge), she was just given some B-12 shots.

Draw your own conclusions.
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11 Aug 2018 13:04

DanielSong39 wrote:Is that any different from Rudisha or Carl Lewis though.

Rudisha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKEOjWEzVGs

Carl Lewis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fg-fz8ugF4


Not significantly but I suspect neither were the methods by which they were achieved. Lewis in particular is another one who deserves his place in this thread. Frankly, I haven't been able to believe much that I've seen in track and field since at least the 1984 Olympics when I was 13 and most of those sports have been dirty since before I was born, it's just that '84 is about my first clear memory of them.

Probably worth noting that Rudisha's gap over the rest of the field when breaking the 800m world record wasn't that much different from Jones's in a 100m race though. :D
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11 Aug 2018 18:17

OldCranky wrote:Now where have I seen a finish like that before? Oh yeah...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrt9yZL8dbI

Doped or not, it's just an incredible performance
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Re: Doping, all sports, hall of fame.

11 Aug 2018 18:51

Marion Jones.
She wasn't mentioned in the thread yet - has all of the criteria for Hall of Doping Fame
Superstardom, five Olympic gold medals, involved in the BALCO, and one of the few athletes ever to go to jail as a result of her doping. Six months in federal prison, for real. Hard to beat that
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