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Re: Doping in Soccer/Football

23 Aug 2017 10:26

antonshipulin wrote:BBC summary titled 'Tevez, Kuyt & Heinze among footballers named in hackers' leak'
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41011854

Link to full release in the newsflash

The BBC's "analysis":

There is no suggestion that any of the World Cup TUEs involve wrongdoing - but it may reignite the debate about whether the system can be abused.


I think BBC sport may be more corrupt than Fifa
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23 Aug 2017 13:51

It was quite a disappointing batch of leaks though. Especially considering what we know about Juventus and the possibilities around the Operacion Puerto concerning the two biggest clubs in Europe of recent years.
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05 Oct 2017 00:31

Harry Kane is having a bit of a special time these days — 13 goals in September; England Captain; now linked with a £177m move to Madrid. The reason:

"Specifically, Kane has employed a personal chef, who is an expert in sports nutrition, who comes to his house six days a week to prepare healthy food. Kane says that is why he is quicker, stronger and leaner than ever now, better at holding off defenders, and even why he recovered quicker than expected from his ankle ligament injury sustained back in March."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/harry-kane-england-captain-spurs-tottenham-nutrition-chef-kitchen-2017-goals-a7983456.html
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06 Oct 2017 15:12

Yokohama wrote:Harry Kane is having a bit of a special time these days — 13 goals in September; England Captain; now linked with a £177m move to Madrid. The reason:

"Specifically, Kane has employed a personal chef, who is an expert in sports nutrition, who comes to his house six days a week to prepare healthy food. Kane says that is why he is quicker, stronger and leaner than ever now, better at holding off defenders, and even why he recovered quicker than expected from his ankle ligament injury sustained back in March."

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/harry-kane-england-captain-spurs-tottenham-nutrition-chef-kitchen-2017-goals-a7983456.html


Great find and observation
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Re: Doping in Soccer/Football

02 May 2018 11:34

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/garry-oconnor-branded-delusional-drug-12465880

This is Garry O'Connor, a former Scottish International footballer who made a money-spinning move to Lokomotiv Moscow in 2006. He has an impressive rap sheet, hence the accusation he's a 'delusional drug addict'. He's previously failed a dope test with cocaine, been caught in possession of cocaine, obstructed a police officer, and also been accused of insurance fraud when he crashed his Ferrari.

Of course, we know the club's ex-doctor is spouting nonsense when he says you can only do this in a hospital. Some people have managed to do it in team buses and hotel rooms!

Apparently it's caused a stir in Russia, but the Daily Record are fond of hyperbole. I doubt this will get much notice from the more respected press in the UK.

It's not remotely surprising in the least.
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Re: Doping in Soccer/Football

02 May 2018 12:00

El Loto wrote:https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/garry-oconnor-branded-delusional-drug-12465880

This is Garry O'Connor, a former Scottish International footballer who made a money-spinning move to Lokomotiv Moscow in 2006. He has an impressive rap sheet, hence the accusation he's a 'delusional drug addict'. He's previously failed a dope test with cocaine, been caught in possession of cocaine, obstructed a police officer, and also been accused of insurance fraud when he crashed his Ferrari.

Of course, we know the club's ex-doctor is spouting nonsense when he says you can only do this in a hospital. Some people have managed to do it in team buses and hotel rooms!

Apparently it's caused a stir in Russia, but the Daily Record are fond of hyperbole. I doubt this will get much notice from the more respected press in the UK.

It's not remotely surprising in the least.

The interesting thing about the original interview (which is online somewhere) is that he isn't saying this in the context of a doping confession or similar - it's said in the context of saying how advanced Moscow were and mentions it alongside lots of non-controversial things. While does check himself slightly when saying it, it does seem as though he genuinely doesn't know this is against the rules.
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Re: Doping in Soccer/Football

02 May 2018 14:15

Parker wrote:
El Loto wrote:https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/garry-oconnor-branded-delusional-drug-12465880

This is Garry O'Connor, a former Scottish International footballer who made a money-spinning move to Lokomotiv Moscow in 2006. He has an impressive rap sheet, hence the accusation he's a 'delusional drug addict'. He's previously failed a dope test with cocaine, been caught in possession of cocaine, obstructed a police officer, and also been accused of insurance fraud when he crashed his Ferrari.

Of course, we know the club's ex-doctor is spouting nonsense when he says you can only do this in a hospital. Some people have managed to do it in team buses and hotel rooms!

Apparently it's caused a stir in Russia, but the Daily Record are fond of hyperbole. I doubt this will get much notice from the more respected press in the UK.

It's not remotely surprising in the least.

The interesting thing about the original interview (which is online somewhere) is that he isn't saying this in the context of a doping confession or similar - it's said in the context of saying how advanced Moscow were and mentions it alongside lots of non-controversial things. While does check himself slightly when saying it, it does seem as though he genuinely doesn't know this is against the rules.


Knowing some of the things he's got up to during his career, I'm absolutely not surprised if he didn't bat an eyelid.
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02 May 2018 17:15

Gary O'Connor, no surprise he doesn't see anything unusual with injecting. It's a Leith thing. Trainspotting for anyone not getting my very cheap and childish dig at Hibs;)
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Re: Doping in Soccer/Football

02 May 2018 21:52

That is a very cheap and childish dig at our Leith cousins Ferryman, lol (Aberdeen here btw) ;-)

I think I remember reading that O'Connor actually had a private jet at his disposal whilst at Lokomotiv to take him back to the UK too whenever he required, whilst banking a nice £16k a week. My memory may be wrong however...and apologies for perhaps veering off the topic of doping in Soccerball.
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Re: Doping in Soccer/Football

05 Jun 2018 17:51

I don't think FIFA will pinch or even drug test the 2018 World Cup Players, but I'm going to make the assumption that there are teams and players from Spain, Russia , Germany who are taking some form of PEDs adopted from our sport of cycling.

I watched a few games last world cup, and their recoveries are phenomenal as well as their endurance. I looked at some Spanish players and they appeared quiet fresh going into the 90th minute as if they had the endurance to go on for another 90 quite comfortably. That's not normal.

I also noticed that the average soccer players have taken more from cycling in their overall body shape. They are no longer thick torsos, heavy quads, stocky players but rather thin, lean athletes now. Hmmm ? Another chapter out of cycling I guess.
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Re: Doping in Soccer/Football

05 Jun 2018 18:16

masking_agent wrote:I don't think FIFA will pinch or even drug test the 2018 World Cup Players, but I'm going to make the assumption that there are teams and players from Spain, Russia , Germany who are taking some form of PEDs adopted from our sport of cycling.

I watched a few games last world cup, and their recoveries are phenomenal as well as their endurance. I looked at some Spanish players and they appeared quiet fresh going into the 90th minute as if they had the endurance to go on for another 90 quite comfortably. That's not normal.

I also noticed that the average soccer players have taken more from cycling in their overall body shape. They are no longer thick torsos, heavy quads, stocky players but rather thin, lean athletes now. Hmmm ? Another chapter out of cycling I guess.



Is this post from 1994 or something?

Of course football players dope. Of course the world cup will have more drugs than the Tour de France has seen in its 120 year history. They dont bother testing, they dont do the right tests, they protect the players etc. Fifa admits everyone is drugged on painkillers for the whole world cup etc.
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20 Jun 2018 23:51

It seems that Russia have been running a lot further than every other team so far. Cool, cool...

Have to consider the level of opponent they've played, relative lack of travel, only a few games, relative height and I'm sure a bunch of other stuff, but it doesn't seem great.

Sprint speeds would be useful to look at and compare with past performance - as well as km's run - but there isn't any publically available data for that as far as I know, if it's even compiled at all.

https://twitter.com/MrJamesHodari/status/1009351251056787459

https://twitter.com/MrJamesHodari/status/1009556022812430336

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21 Jun 2018 00:06

There's too much money in soccer for it to ever be subjected to the level of criticism that cycling is.
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11 Jul 2018 14:56

Anyone see an old friend of the clinic’s Didier Deschamp’s dopers XI last night? I watched the game and felt ridiculous doing so. They are preposterous and presumably lost in 2016 to Portugal because they were out doped especially by Pepe. This latter turned up at one those games in France in a suit (not in a bib) presumably because he was glowing too much and wanted to avoid a test. Or was he now out of the tournament given his new attire? No, he was back for the next game and starred in the final when Ronaldo got injured.

The French are back and truly juiced. Their tactics consist of scoring a goal from the set piece and hanging on (DD having persuaded the usual morons from the banlieues to take the needle). Nobody is saying that the Belgians are clean but at least the they have some highly technical players who are pleasing on the eye. The French have one – Mbappé and that’s about it. The rest of them of them just run, run, run, run and run as per the program.

I have not bothered to watch England thus far but any team who can match Colombia dope for dope speaks for itself. Croatia’s star players are all with Spanish clubs and presumably can source their own gear. I won’t bother to watch tonight.

Has anyone actually failed a test anywhere so far?
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11 Jul 2018 17:33

No football player will fail a doping test, FIFA is there to take care of that.
BTW, France and Belgium had just run 102km in that semi-final. Not impressive.
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11 Jul 2018 17:44

poupou wrote:No football player will fail a doping test, FIFA is there to take care of that.
BTW, France and Belgium had just run 102km in that semi-final. Not impressive.


I suspect it is sprint and recovery not distance which is the key stat.
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Re: Doping in Soccer/Football

11 Jul 2018 23:48

Croatia play 3 120-minute games in 10 days and look less tired than their opponents each time. Rakitic just played his 70th game of the season and told how he was in bed with a fever yesterday..

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