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10 Feb 2017 19:46

Somewhat coincidently, in the same period Jorge Sampaoli's (Bielsa disciple and formerly of Chile fame) Sevilla have taken La Liga and Europe by storm with their super high intensity style and a lot of late goals in games.
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14 Feb 2017 13:16

Great British football's tough stance on doping:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38959264

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38744912

Edit: Just found this on one of the articles; looking much worse in Spain:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38928615
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15 Feb 2017 10:21

From the second article:
From 550 players to play in the Premier League, 799 samples


Hahaha.

So I think there are oficially some professional cycling teams of 25 riders, that have more tests per year than the entire English Premier League - the most lucrative sports league in the world, and all 550 of its players.
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16 Feb 2017 04:26

Whoever saw PSG vs Barcelona knows PSG just stepped up another level. Making a team full of World Class footballers looking like children, even though PSG also has first level players demands something else.

Basically PSG did to Barcelona what Barcelona did to everybody else for the past decade, they entered the pitch more charged than the opponents.
Great match to watch though
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16 Feb 2017 10:49

AlbineVespuzzio wrote:Whoever saw PSG vs Barcelona knows PSG just stepped up another level. Making a team full of World Class footballers looking like children, even though PSG also has first level players demands something else.

Basically PSG did to Barcelona what Barcelona did to everybody else for the past decade, they entered the pitch more charged than the opponents.
Great match to watch though

Isn't that what you'd expect them to do though if there was no doping? The game was largely won in midfield, and you'd certainly expect Rabiot, Verratti and Matuidi to comfortably out-run and out fight Busquets, Iniesta and Gomes if neither side had any help. Throw in some decent co-ordination and pressing and you get the expected dominance.

PSG is a team full of athletes; guys who look and are physically strong and fit. Who knows whether or not that is aided by doping; but to me it's far less suspicious than Barcelona were at their peak. They were essentially a load of guys who are small, pretty weak and didn't really look like athletes, but were outsprinting and outrunning everyone, while maintaing perfect technique for 90+ minutes.
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16 Feb 2017 14:20

DFA123 wrote:
AlbineVespuzzio wrote:Whoever saw PSG vs Barcelona knows PSG just stepped up another level. Making a team full of World Class footballers looking like children, even though PSG also has first level players demands something else.

Basically PSG did to Barcelona what Barcelona did to everybody else for the past decade, they entered the pitch more charged than the opponents.
Great match to watch though

Isn't that what you'd expect them to do though if there was no doping? The game was largely won in midfield, and you'd certainly expect Rabiot, Verratti and Matuidi to comfortably out-run and out fight Busquets, Iniesta and Gomes if neither side had any help. Throw in some decent co-ordination and pressing and you get the expected dominance.

PSG is a team full of athletes; guys who look and are physically strong and fit. Who knows whether or not that is aided by doping; but to me it's far less suspicious than Barcelona were at their peak. They were essentially a load of guys who are small, pretty weak and didn't really look like athletes, but were outsprinting and outrunning everyone, while maintaing perfect technique for 90+ minutes.


Considering Verratti makes Messi, Xavi and Iniesta look like Basketball players, i wouldn't mention him as someone who looks and is physically strong and fit.

In any case this is 2017 football. We just found out they don't even do tests anymore. I can't see a case for PSG and Barca not doping.
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16 Feb 2017 17:08

DFA123 wrote:
AlbineVespuzzio wrote:Whoever saw PSG vs Barcelona knows PSG just stepped up another level. Making a team full of World Class footballers looking like children, even though PSG also has first level players demands something else.

Basically PSG did to Barcelona what Barcelona did to everybody else for the past decade, they entered the pitch more charged than the opponents.
Great match to watch though

Isn't that what you'd expect them to do though if there was no doping? The game was largely won in midfield, and you'd certainly expect Rabiot, Verratti and Matuidi to comfortably out-run and out fight Busquets, Iniesta and Gomes if neither side had any help. Throw in some decent co-ordination and pressing and you get the expected dominance.

PSG is a team full of athletes; guys who look and are physically strong and fit. Who knows whether or not that is aided by doping; but to me it's far less suspicious than Barcelona were at their peak. They were essentially a load of guys who are small, pretty weak and didn't really look like athletes, but were outsprinting and outrunning everyone, while maintaing perfect technique for 90+ minutes.

Not like that. PSG is full of athletes, and so is everybody else, they're all athletes. If you talking about "size", size doesn't help you run like a madman for 90 minutes. If something it should restrict your endurance ability. PSG was smarter because Barcelona wasn't expecting this level at this stage and did not prepare its players to run like that. Or maybe the players just didn't want to bother to dope like that anymore.
They sort of done enough for the club.

The manager "takes" the heat for bad "tactics" and bad "planning", and goes home with 3 seasons at a giant and 8 or 10 trophies in the pocket.

Welcome to modern football.
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17 Feb 2017 10:10

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38997847

Good to see that the FA is serious about doping!
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17 Feb 2017 10:30

Mayo from Mayo wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38997847

Good to see that the FA is serious about doping!

Haha.

Brilliant
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05 Mar 2017 21:00

What happened to goetze.

I think pretty much everyone agrees there are major reasons to doubt that sudden explosion of Dortmund in the 2010's of which he was a part- especially since we all know in football there are no tests and klopps football is entirely based on his attacking players doing none stop sprints for 90 minutes.

His gradual fall from form, constant injuries and now apparently some strange illness.

Tour de France yellow jerseys don't get won on bread and water. I don't know if FIFA World cup winning moments do either.
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05 Mar 2017 21:05

What do you think happened?
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05 Mar 2017 22:35

kingjr wrote:What do you think happened?


I don't know, hence why I asked the question.
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05 Mar 2017 23:18

Fwiw, I think his drop in form had already started prior to the world cup in 2014.
I think him scoring the winning goal was a bit of a fluke.
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05 Mar 2017 23:45

The Hitch wrote:
kingjr wrote:What do you think happened?


I don't know, hence why I asked the question.

I just thought you maybe had some idea, or a wild guess.
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06 Mar 2017 08:10

kingjr wrote:
The Hitch wrote:
kingjr wrote:What do you think happened?


I don't know, hence why I asked the question.

I just thought you maybe had some idea, or a wild guess.

I think you have it the wrong way round.

The people that believe in clean sport (especially for their heroes), are the ones who claim to know exactly how everything takes place. They know for a fact that their favourite athletes never took EPO and never took steroids and never took testostrone and never took Aicar and that theyve never been offered it and that they are moral people etc.

We on the other hand are far more simple people. We know that athletes dope. How where and when, we realize are questions we cannot answer since unlike the believers, we don't believe things without evidence ;)
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06 Mar 2017 10:30

What are you talking about man, I'm not asking you to 'know' anything, so I fail to understand who you are adressing in your 1st paragraph or how it relates to my post. I repeat, I just thought you maybe had some idea or theory, if you don't that's fine, neither have I.
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06 Mar 2017 14:37

kingjr wrote:What are you talking about man, I'm not asking you to 'know' anything, so I fail to understand who you are adressing in your 1st paragraph or how it relates to my post. I repeat, I just thought you maybe had some idea or theory, if you don't that's fine, neither have I.


Its just the same old shot at how football gets away with doping, especially in the ultimate hypocrite land - Germany.

Goetze's decline might have nothing to do with doping. I have no idea what it is. But whenever i see his name I am reminded of how Germany had a team of super skilled and super physical players in the world cup.

His achievement is greater than any other sports person can ever acheive. A cyclist could win the TDF 20 times and it will never be as big as scoring the winning goal in a world cup final. You can win 40 olympic goals and it will never be as big. That the footballers get away with it while other athletes get scrutinized is for me always the biggest injustice in sport and doping.
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06 Mar 2017 17:00

This is quite anecdotal, but seems plausible and is talked about in Germany off the record: Goetze was a Wunderkind early on and as such he had the status of a teen idol. As we know, football stars get judged by their look today too and Goetze fought with a receding hairline early on. The rumors are he took finasterid to solve the problem, which was of course a big mistake, as it serves as an anti-androgenic. Combine that with possible hormone doping since years and its very reasonable to conclude he destroyed his hormonal axis. This is also in line with the fact that he trains a lot, but still has a bad fitness level, lots of muscular problems and fatigue and the latest development, where the team's doc found out that there is "something wrong with his blood values".

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09 Mar 2017 01:54

Turning a 4 goal deficit into a win and advance in CL? No **** problem
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