For comparison with similar length effort
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Kwibus wrote:So much questions they have. Answers they will never get.
So why questions? If no answers?
-Kwibus, one of the great philosophers of the 21st century
Estimating climbing performances of professional cyclists: a larger dataset
@ammattipyoraily & @thomaswire
Introduction
The initial work done by @ammattipyoraily and @veloclinic (Dr. Mike Puchowicz) [1] focused on the estimation of the power developed by a cyclist during a climb, either being in competition or in training situation. This first “insight” into the data gathering of well-known power estimation through the use of two different models, Doctor’s Ferrari Formula (DrF) [2] and J.Martin et al. equation [3], over 250 climbs.
Starting from this significant basis and following a relatively similar method, the work presented in here considers a grand total of 1252 climbs of sub-parts of climbs, for which the two models pre-cited are applied. We attempt to verify the applicability of such models, their limits and why, if so, they fail.
Kwibus wrote:So much questions they have. Answers they will never get.
So why questions? If no answers?
-Kwibus, one of the great philosophers of the 21st century
Red Rick wrote:Any Col de Peille data?
Netserk wrote:Yes, with vetooo's numbers.
Nairo:
Source: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/840641324403556353
Netserk wrote:I know it's higher for lighter riders, but when it's used as a measuring stick, I think it makes better sense to use a standardized weight (like DrF).
Netserk wrote:Yes, with vetooo's numbers.
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Porte:
Source: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/840634462073425922
That is with Ferrari's formula, I'm uncertain if (and how much) it underestimates the performances on such climbs.
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Netserk wrote:I know it's higher for lighter riders, but when it's used as a measuring stick, I think it makes better sense to use a standardized weight (like DrF).
That makes no sense if you are seeking to compare physiological performance with the same W/kg measuring stick. If not, then one stick has different increments than other.
Netserk wrote:Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Netserk wrote:I know it's higher for lighter riders, but when it's used as a measuring stick, I think it makes better sense to use a standardized weight (like DrF).
That makes no sense if you are seeking to compare physiological performance with the same W/kg measuring stick. If not, then one stick has different increments than other.
When wanting to compare different riders on different climbs, making their performances more comparable is important, at least it is for me.
Even if it requires a lower W/kg, I think it's more impressive for an 80kg rider to climb Alpe d'Huez in 40' than it is for a 60kg rider.
I get why some prefer an as precise actual W/kg as possible, but I just want to know who is the better climber/who can climb the fastest.
Netserk wrote:So how do you compare different riders *on different climbs* if not by using a normalized W/kg?
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