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12 May 2017 21:30

Edna numbers would be meaningless because of the strong head wind and most of the riders were sheltered. If you do the VAM calculations it would be really meaningless because it does not take into account these things! :)
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14 May 2017 15:02

Were the watt numbers close to correct or were they really going full retard
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14 May 2017 15:11

Full retard. Mind, it was a Vuelta stage, but the pace leading up to the timed segment was hard and the ascent pace above both jens' and ammattipyoraily's expectations.

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14 May 2017 15:14

The figures show'n on tv are probably unfiltered instantenous power numbers, not climb averages. Anyway, I think the avgs will be very high too.
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14 May 2017 15:17

meat puppet wrote:The figures show'n on tv are probably unfiltered instantenous power numbers, not climb averages. Anyway, I think the avgs will be very high too.

Yeah but they showed them first when Amador just pace setting, and again when Quintana was riding his own tempo.
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14 May 2017 15:28

Tbf, those were brilliant conditions for going fast today. Early in the race, only one climb that's not too long, perfect weather...
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14 May 2017 15:34

Jens says this was the same as Froome psm, which is incredible really. I don't think Nairo has that much more room to improve until he reaches his peak. It means that effectively all the top 5 were doing 6w/kg or thereabouts. They are all in great shape. The Giro is still open I think.
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14 May 2017 17:12

It makes you wonder about the watts for Dumoulin.
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14 May 2017 18:56

If the numbers are right, either there was some sort of latent factor or the peloton is on jet fuel this year.
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14 May 2017 19:01

Durden93 wrote:If the numbers are right, either there was some sort of latent factor or the peloton is on jet fuel this year.

Well, it's hardly the only super performance so far. It's been a fast year.
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14 May 2017 19:11

Quintanas time of 40:15 meas he would have done Alpe in 38:50 if we assume the same weather conditions. Make of it what you will.
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14 May 2017 20:59

His performance was very similar to Alpe 2013 and he was very young at the Tour.
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14 May 2017 21:07

Netserk wrote:
Durden93 wrote:If the numbers are right, either there was some sort of latent factor or the peloton is on jet fuel this year.

Well, it's hardly the only super performance so far. It's been a fast year.


Fair enough, but I'm not sure that results in a week long stage race are indicative of a racer form. Riders use them for different purposes.
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14 May 2017 22:19

Escarabajo wrote:His performance was very similar to Alpe 2013 and he was very young at the Tour.

He was, but he was climbing incredibly well in that last week on Alpe d' Huez (he was the strongest of the favourites) and obviously the stage he won to Semnoz, beating Froome and J-Rod with Contador 3 minutes down the mountain.
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14 May 2017 23:24

Brullnux wrote:Jens says this was the same as Froome psm, which is incredible really. I don't think Nairo has that much more room to improve until he reaches his peak. It means that effectively all the top 5 were doing 6w/kg or thereabouts. They are all in great shape. The Giro is still open I think.


Froome at PSM and Ax3 managed to put at least a minute into the next best rider though.

In the end, it's the relative performance that counts, how much better you are than the others. I remain skeptical how useful it is to compare w/kg across climbs and races. If we teleport today's Quintana into the PSM stage, does he finish s.t with Froome? Perhaps. Teleport this Giro's Quintana into the 2015 Tour and I think he'll finish where he did back then at PSM. Or perhaps only 30 seconds down. He might have reached a new level this year.
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15 May 2017 09:51

Vetooo (@ammattipyoraily) estimated 40min @ 6,2w/kg for quintana. Not very encouraging, though it was a one climb stage early on in a GT.

PSM stuff basically.
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15 May 2017 12:22

Well Dumoulin's velon data was this:
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Note: this was just the attack bit (from 5km to 3km approx)

This was Quintana
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In pure power output Dumoulin is looking good for the TT.
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15 May 2017 13:49

He looked really good on the bike. You could see that he was feeling good. Maybe he improved a little bit compared to his best moments of the past but not by much if we go with the data.

The difference with Quintana is not his power output in climbs like yesterday. The difference is that he can put that same power output (6-6.2 watts/kg) in the third week of racing. Is simple. very hard to do.
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15 May 2017 16:54

Bavarianrider wrote:Quintanas time of 40:15 meas he would have done Alpe in 38:50 if we assume the same weather conditions. Make of it what you will.

How is that?

Anyway, very good performance. But power outputs have been through the roof all year long.
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16 May 2017 11:35

Bavarianrider wrote:Quintanas time of 40:15 meas he would have done Alpe in 38:50 if we assume the same weather conditions. Make of it what you will.

I will make nothing of your comment because it is not supported with any backing for your claim.
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