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18 Apr 2018 02:46

aphronesis wrote:
StyrbjornSterki wrote:Last summer, ...

This weekend a driver honked as he came up behind me on a winding street that was about to open onto a major intersection as if I needed to cede the space and get pressed against parked cars. When I motioned with my hand for him to calm down (it wasn’t a profane gesture) he became more distressed. I told him “don’t honk at me; just don’t hit me.” To which he replied “it’s my horn; next time I’ll hit you.”

The notion of car as extension of self is getting greater rather than less with many people and this would have to be combatted as well. The laws you describe above exist in some places but they’re minimally enforced; it’s nnot just the fines there would need to be a greater culture of criminalization to make a real difference with some sectors of the population.

the thing to address is the attitude of drivers - making more laws and fining people just adds fuel to the fire, and doesn't get to the proximate cause/issue
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18 Apr 2018 02:54

Yeah, I ultimately feel that way as well, but in parts of the US it’s hard to reach certain sectors of the population in terms of attitude change; the demographics and lives are simply too heterogenous to reach everyone. Ultimately, I would much rather take on driving culture, but that’s a big task and the resentment is already there for some. May as well put some criminalized fear in them. But then I live in an area where “liberals” count it it a victory if they persuade the city to paint white lines in the street and call it a bike lane.

Far more stringent requirements for a drivers’ license: laws of the road and some civic comprehension could be one approach I suppose.
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19 Apr 2018 18:49

Not a good day for pros - two stories on the front page today -

A young French rider was shot on Tuesday evening while out training in Toulouse.

Clément Delcros, who rides with the AVC Aix-en-Provence team, took a bullet to the shoulder from a gunman in a passing car before riding to the nearest hospital for treatment.

Haller struck by car while training

"I was riding with Bernie Eisel and was sitting in his wheel in a slight downhill, when suddenly a car, ignoring the stop sign, came at us from the right. Bernie just managed to escape him, but I could not do that and hit the driver's door at full speed. My bike was completely destroyed and my knee as well."
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27 Apr 2018 15:39

Hit-and-Run Fatalities Soar as More People Bike to Work
Report finds close to 70% of fatalities are cyclists or pedestrians

By Scott Calvert
April 26, 2018 5:30 a.m. ET

Hit-and-run crash deaths are rising nationwide, and pedestrians and bicyclists account for close to 70% of the victims, according to a new report, as more people cycle to work and motor-vehicle fatalities are at a near-decade-high level.

The number of hit-and-run fatalities jumped 61% from 2009 to 2016, the most recent year for which data are available, according to the report from the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety.

About 68% of fatal hit-and-run victims in 2016 were pedestrians or cyclists, compared with 61% a decade earlier, according to federal data cited in the report.

In 2016, 1,980 fatal hit-and-run crashes across the U.S. resulted in 2,049 deaths—both record highs in the roughly four decades that the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has tracked such data, the report said.

“On the one hand, these statistics are a bit deflating. On the other hand, we can hope they serve as a wake-up call,” said Jake Nelson, AAA’s director of traffic safety advocacy and research.

A big reason for the rise in fatal hit-and-run crashes is that deadly car crashes are up overall, the foundation said. Traffic-related fatalities surpassed 40,000 last year, the second year in a row, according to the National Safety Council.

Mr. Nelson said one possible reason those deaths have risen is growing distraction in the smartphone era. A recent report by the Governors Highway Safety Association said texting by drivers and pedestrians alike may help explain why pedestrian deaths have hit their highest levels in decades.

Another potential factor Mr. Nelson cited is the push by public health officials to encourage people to walk and bike more. The downside, he said, is those activities make people more vulnerable in the event of a crash involving a car or truck.

The number of bike commuters nationwide has ebbed in recent years, but rose nearly 40% from 2006 to 2016, when 864,000 rode to work, according to the Census Bureau.

To improve safety, he said, pedestrians and cyclists need physical barriers like protected bike lanes—an idea gaining popularity around the U.S. but also causing fights in some places over reduced parking or travel lanes.

The AAA report says state legislatures are cracking down on hit-and-run drivers. In every state it is illegal for a driver involved in a crash to flee. Over the past five years, more than a dozen states have passed new laws typically boosting jail time, fines and the length of a driver’s license suspension. But the report said researchers have found legal sanctions don’t appear to have a deterrent effect.

Mr. Nelson said motorists should know that staying at the scene isn’t only the law, it can help ensure victims get prompt medical care.

The ultimate aim is to prevent crashes, he said, and his message for drivers, pedestrians and cyclists is: “Just pay attention, open your eyes, keep your head up and focus on what you’re doing.”
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Truck driver who killed Napier cyclist to pay $1500 reparati

01 May 2018 01:30

From my home town of Napier, NZ.

Truck driver runs over Cyclist, drags him 100m, kills him......then drives home thinking he hit a pot hole or a cone!!??

Only has to pay $1500 reparation :mad:

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01 May 2018 09:12

The judge said Collier's case was at the lower end of the scale of carelessness and the penalty should reflect this.

What. The. Actual. ****? :mad:

Yes, I know that in that type of situations cyclists have a responsibility too, making sure they aren't in the blindspot. However...

1: We don't know if Den Ouden had done everything he could to make sure he wasn't in the blindspot.
2: The least the driver could have done was stop his damn vehicle and check what he'd hit. Especially considering that fact that I'd imagine hitting a person would be quite different from hitting a pot hole or a cone...
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Re: Truck driver who killed Napier cyclist to pay $1500 repa

01 May 2018 22:08

JackRabbitSlims wrote:From my home town of Napier, NZ.

Truck driver runs over Cyclist, drags him 100m, kills him......then drives home thinking he hit a pot hole or a cone!!??

Only has to pay $1500 reparation :mad:


The legal system is a game. Plead guilty and get off lightly. He drove across the cycle lane...........
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