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Help, I am climbing nowhere

24 Jun 2017 02:15

During a race it started to rain quite heavily. As I was climbing a hill the angle got steeper. It got too hard to push the 39 x 23 so I got out of the saddle. Suddenly my back wheel started slipping, and was not getting anywhere, so I had to dismount or fall over. Other riders were experiencing the same, but were able to sustain some forward motion. I picked up my bike and ran up the hill passed the steep bit, and passed others while doing so. Then got back on the bike and continued.

My question is, what do you think I should have done to get more traction on the back wheel?
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24 Jun 2017 07:55

Get more weight over it - if you can't sit then push your hips further back when standing. Or, simply use more sensible gearing (who uses a 39-23 for riding hills these days?!). Then you won't need as much torque and so the wheel will be less likely to slip.
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24 Jun 2017 08:37

DFA123 wrote:Get more weight over it - if you can't sit then push your hips further back when standing. Or, simply use more sensible gearing (who uses a 39-23 for riding hills these days?!). Then you won't need as much torque and so the wheel will be less likely to slip.

Thank you DFA123. I will try pushing my weight more over the rear wheel when standing. I've always used 39 x 23, but what you have suggested is the same as the local bike shop mechanic said previously. He wants me to use a 39 x 25. So I'll get that changed too.
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24 Jun 2017 13:34

DFA123 wrote:...
Then you won't need as much torque and so the wheel will be less likely to slip.

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Just a minor thought about the torque -
Using a lower gear can reduce the torque needed to turn the cranks and that can allow you to stay seated (with more weight over the rear wheel), but it won't change the torque on the rear wheel.

And I agree about having lower gearing for steep hills.

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24 Jun 2017 14:36

Change your gearing
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24 Jun 2017 20:34

Thanks you Jspear, and JayKosta for the insight. With resistance, I am getting the 23 replaced with a 25 and see how that will perform for me.

To tell you the truth, there is a niggling thought that I may start to use bigger sockets and use them more often than necessary. I think that when I am stuck with a gear, which cannot be compromised, it makes me stronger in the long run. But then again, I don't want to be slipping on a wet hill.
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24 Jun 2017 21:55

Bull wrote:Thanks you Jspear, and JayKosta for the insight. With resistance, I am getting the 23 replaced with a 25 and see how that will perform for me.

To tell you the truth, there is a niggling thought that I may start to use bigger sockets and use them more often than necessary. I think that when I am stuck with a gear, which cannot be compromised, it makes me stronger in the long run. But then again, I don't want to be slipping on a wet hill.


There's 28 as well. 11-28.
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24 Jun 2017 21:58

39 -23 you need more than that for hills..i doubt the pros don't even go that low
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24 Jun 2017 21:59

Jspear wrote:
Bull wrote:Thanks you Jspear, and JayKosta for the insight. With resistance, I am getting the 23 replaced with a 25 and see how that will perform for me.

To tell you the truth, there is a niggling thought that I may start to use bigger sockets and use them more often than necessary. I think that when I am stuck with a gear, which cannot be compromised, it makes me stronger in the long run. But then again, I don't want to be slipping on a wet hill.


There's 28 as well. 11-28.

aye but still pushing 39 inner tooth front ring...screw that...you cant do a 39 on real hills unless you are a pro
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25 Jun 2017 02:15

rick james wrote:aye but still pushing 39 inner tooth front ring...screw that...you cant do a 39 on real hills unless you are a pro

Not a pro. Just an old guy.
There is no hills in my area more than 14%, and I can handle that okay, but not fast.
The hill I was talking about in OP was out of my area, short but steep, and over 14%.
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Bull wrote:
rick james wrote:aye but still pushing 39 inner tooth front ring...screw that...you cant do a 39 on real hills unless you are a pro

Not a pro. Just an old guy.
There is no hills in my area more than 14%, and I can handle that okay, but not fast.
The hill I was talking about in OP was out of my area, short but steep, and over 14%.

Climbing a 14% hill in a 39x23 at a low cadence of around 60, requires a power of around 6w/kg. So I'm guessing that, unless Lance has joined the forum, that these hills are extremely short. In which case, maybe just increase your speed going into them and put in a shor but hard anaerobic effort to crest them.
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26 Jun 2017 02:06

DFA123 wrote:Climbing a 14% hill in a 39x23 at a low cadence of around 60, requires a power of around 6w/kg. So I'm guessing that, unless Lance has joined the forum, that these hills are extremely short. In which case, maybe just increase your speed going into them and put in a shor(t) but hard anaerobic effort to crest them.

Thanks DFA123 for the tip. I will give that advise a go. And yes, those 14% sections of the hill is short.
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27 Jun 2017 14:46

If its wet I wouldn't stand on anything over 15%. Particularly since I'm fairly heavy for a cyclist.

But since it hasn't been mentioned: try to pick your line; search out for the smoothest looking asphalt. And lower your tyre pressures a bit if you expect rain.
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27 Jun 2017 19:30

Getting back to the rear wheel slipping ...
It really doesn't matter what gearing you use to turn the wheel - if there isn't enough weight on the wheel it will slip.
Staying seated keeps more weight on the rear, but if you must stand - try to keep as much body weight rearward as possible. And lower tire pressure and wider tires would help.

About training and 'pushing big gears' - that can work for some people, but it also puts a lot of strain and wear on the knees. Remember that you can't 'injure yourself into shape'.

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27 Jun 2017 20:47

Could also try lowering your tyre's air pressure on wet days, or use tyres that provide a larger contact patch. But yeah, slipping sucks.
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27 Jun 2017 23:20

carton wrote:If its wet I wouldn't stand on anything over 15%. ...try to pick your line; search out for the smoothest looking asphalt. And lower your tyre pressures a bit if you expect rain.
JayKosta wrote:...Staying seated keeps more weight on the rear, but if you must stand - try to keep as much body weight rearward as possible. And lower tire pressure and wider tires would help.
About training and 'pushing big gears' - that can work for some people, but it also puts a lot of strain and wear on the knees. Remember that you can't 'injure yourself into shape'.
Alex Simmons/RST wrote:Could also try lowering your tyre's air pressure on wet days, or use tyres that provide a larger contact patch. But yeah, slipping sucks.
Thank you for those good points to remember for a wet hilly day:
  1. Lower tyre pressure say from 120 to 90 psi.
  2. Try and ride on smooth surface for more contact with road surface.
  3. Always keep weight over rear wheel sitting or standing (push hip back).
  4. Watch out for 15% plus gradients. Best to use a gear that allows me to still ride sitting.
  5. Train hard but not injure self.

With point (3), I can now remember once lifting the front wheel. I guess I was sitting too far back. I resorted to zigzagging across the road :o .
Point (4) really tells me to have a spare wheel with sprockets suited more for hills. What do you think?
Point (5) reminds me of an interview with an Olympian who said that the only reason she won the event was because she but had less injuries, though she trained just as hard as her opponent.
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