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US/AUS vs European cycling fans

06 Jul 2017 15:07

Following a couple of cyclist vlogers on yt, I've seemed to notice that there is a distinct difference in the US/AUS vs the european guys. The former seem to be mostly coastal, vegan, trendy/hipster kind of people, while the europeans seem more like regular folks, though mostly middle class and up.

I see the same in football (soccer), a sport I find utterly boring btw:p, but americans that are into it seem to overlap with the cycling fans, while european football fans are decidedly lower middle class to working class.

Are these sports percived as niche/foreign/exotic/rare in the US/AUS so it becomes an in-group and elitist thing to like, or are there other explanations?

Btw, I have to plug my favorite vloger Jasper Verkuijl, a dutch KLM pilot and amateur cyclist who is relly strong and rides all over the world without any vegan agenda or pretentiousness:p
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06 Jul 2017 15:59

I suppose it could be because cycling - at least in parts of Europe - is considered a regular way to get around, whereas that doesn't seem to be the case in either the US or Australia.

I feel kinda sorry for the US/AUS fans, though. Considering the majority of the big races happen pretty much in the middle of the night from their PoV.
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06 Jul 2017 18:55

I don't think cycling in the States is mainly (or just) coastal, but I may be wrong. Take Colorado, for instance, America's cycling hub. I think the difference is broader, as in West to East. Cycling today is definitely more of a thing to the West of the country, and not just the coast.

I also don't agree that you'd equate being vegan with being elitist. Vegan cyclists (or vegans in general) are some of the most simple and genuine people you'll see, it's just that there are so few it seems like a niche.

The other reason it would seem like Americans and Aussies are just trendy and hipsters is because of the prevalence of cycling clubs in those two countries, making cliques more obvious.

There's also a major preference for aesthetics in these countries as well as a higher standard of living compared to a lot of European countries, so you are likely to see them rocking boutique kits and mid to top end gear. But again, nothing to be ashamed of.

I don't think you'de be rejected if you were to join a group ride with folks from these two countries, quite on the contrary. Every video I see seems to have everyone in very good spirits, all friendly folks, whereas I've faced some very unpleasent episodes here in Portugal.

I've never been to the west of the US nor to Australia, but cyclists in Europe, at least here, seem way more snobbish.

As far as Australia goes, well, it can only be a coastal thing, no? There's nothing to the interior. I know people who have been to Adelaide and say it is one of the best cycling spots they've been to. They say Adelaide is to cycling like Peahi is to surf. There are cyclists everywhere around town.

Lastly, I really don't know what you mean by vegan agenda or pretentiousness. Where did you even get that idea from? 99% of vegan cyclist youtubers are great people. Geez, people deliberately feel attacked by vegans even if they don't open their mouths.
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Re: US/AUS vs European cycling fans

06 Jul 2017 19:42

Oude Geuze wrote:Following a couple of cyclist vlogers on yt, I've seemed to notice that there is a distinct difference in the US/AUS vs the european guys. The former seem to be mostly coastal, vegan, trendy/hipster kind of people, while the europeans seem more like regular folks, though mostly middle class and up.

I see the same in football (soccer), a sport I find utterly boring btw:p, but americans that are into it seem to overlap with the cycling fans, while european football fans are decidedly lower middle class to working class.

Are these sports percived as niche/foreign/exotic/rare in the US/AUS so it becomes an in-group and elitist thing to like, or are there other explanations?

Btw, I have to plug my favorite vloger Jasper Verkuijl, a dutch KLM pilot and amateur cyclist who is relly strong and rides all over the world without any vegan agenda or pretentiousness:p


I guess(hope) youtube vloggers do not a consensus make.
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06 Jul 2017 20:50

This was of course just an observation based on a really small sample of self selected individuals, I just wanted others perspective on it regarding the elitist vs commoner culture of cycling.

About the vegan thing, about half of all cycling channels I've seen call themselvelves vegan ..something about cycling. Maybe durianrider ruined my google algorithm;)
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06 Jul 2017 21:16

BigMac wrote:I've never been to the west of the US nor to Australia, but cyclists in Europe, at least here, seem way more snobbish.


You don't think that's a bit of a stereotypical view on something literally everyone could potentially be?
Well, almost everyone; guess if you don't have any legs it might be difficult. Then again, hand-cycles are a thing...
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08 Aug 2017 23:04

Here in Australia cycling is perceived as a sport far more than a mode of transport. Driver attitudes play at least some part in that.

Out on the road you are just as likely to see middle aged, upper middle management types with huge disposable income as any other type of rider. Clubs are very popular in most cities, but most riders tend to just get around with friends and not race often, if at all.

Clubs tend to be more prominent, friendly and accessible in country towns where they are more integral to the cycling community. The best clubs I've been involved with are all from regional areas. They're far better than any city based club I've been involved with, on and off the bike.

As for Australian riders being more relaxed, I can tell you that's not always the case!
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