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24 Oct 2018 05:27

Very bizarre photo op - "sorry I killed your father!"
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/khashoggi-family-received-king-and-crown-prince-amid-worldwide-murder-accusations-1226671498?wpisrc=nl_todayworld&wpmm=1
Saudi Arabia’s King Salman and his son, Crown Prince Mohamed Bin Salman, received the family of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi in the royal court on Tuesday, the state-run Saudi Press Agency reported.

Photos released by SPA show Khashoggi’s son, Salah, and one of his relatives, Sahl Ahmed Khashoggi, shaking hands with the king and also with the crown prince.

The role of the 33-year-old, often referred to as MbS, in the murder of Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October is under heavy scrutiny.

A Saudi human rights activist and close friend of the late Khashoggi, Yehia Assiri, dismissed the visit as “a serious assault on the family” of the murdered journalist, particularly as authorities continue to bar them from travelling.

“Jamal told me that his wife was forced to divorce him after she was banned indefinitely from travel,” Assiri said, speaking to Middle East Eye from London. He also told Assiri that Saudi authorities barred his entire family from travel in an attempt to pressure him to return.

“In addition to admitting responsibility for the crime, Saudi authorities must immediately allow the Khashoggi family to travel, if they are genuinely keen on uncovering the truth,” he said.

Assiri said the visit most likely took place under pressure on the family to “cover up the crime”.

The meeting was held at the Yamama Palace in the capital Riyadh on Tuesday, hours after a highly-anticipated speech by Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in which he confirmed many of the details of unofficial reports of Khashoggi's murder by 15 Saudi officials in a pre-planned operation.
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24 Oct 2018 22:08

Any sanctions by Trump will be a slap on the wrist or maybe a pat, slap might be overdoing it .........he has made it clear he won't be risking deals and jobs for the USA and he is ramping up the rhetoric about the so called South American invasion. I'm sure he wants the Saudi business papered over quickly. Erdogan is getting obvious political leverage and almost seems to be enjoying himself !
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movingtarget wrote:Any sanctions by Trump will be a slap on the wrist or maybe a pat, slap might be overdoing it .........he has made it clear he won't be risking deals and jobs for the USA and he is ramping up the rhetoric about the so called South American invasion. I'm sure he wants the Saudi business papered over quickly. Erdogan is getting obvious political leverage and almost seems to be enjoying himself !

i am frankly a little surprised by both trump and erdogan reactions wrt to the saudi journo death...

trump is talking his head like a teenager changing his position almost hourly...the last i read, he now suspects the crown prince in a plot, but not the king. it is a waste of time to try to gauge or predict the us position by this addle. yet, a direct trump pointing at the de facto saudi ruler, may indicate a more serious eventual reaction, particularly now that democrats in congress are readying a sanction bill...whatever they do, trump will try to protect this medieval regime as all presidents before him did. he talks military contracts, but as i said before, it is more about the israeli lobby goal of supporting the anti-iran coalition.

regarding erdogan, while i always felt he's not to be trusted, his actions in the case of the saudi journo killing look like a skillful diplomacy.

otoh, he keeps the saudis on their toes by digging into the case and revealing some chilling details, on the other, only some details became official and confirmed, while the more gruesome ones are constantly leaked as to indicate to the us and the saudis, 'turkey has uncovered something you 2 would prefer to be kept secret'

what could that be? my speculation is the cia role in propping and defending the regime thus facilitating the political assassinations. why would erdogan play this game ? i speculate he keeps both the saud and the the us by the balls to ot 1 hand, reduce the us sanctions and on the other to keep the saudis investing in the turkish economy...if it makes any sense ?

which means i speculate we will NEVER learn the complete truth about the journo assassination, IF the us (read - trump) decide that erdogan is hanging on to an info too sensitive to reveal. hence, the emergency travel of the cia head to turkey becomes easier to explain....
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30 Oct 2018 06:52

Seems like ISIS are not done for yet.
http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/271020182
ISIS militants killed 68 members of the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in Hajin, eastern Syria overnight on Friday, a war monitor reported Saturday. It initially reported 41 killed.

“The death toll has increased due to the discovery of new victims on the front line and the existence of 100 wounded,” Rami Abdel Rahman, the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights chief, told AFP.

Sean Ryan, spokesman for the US-led coalition, told AFP “at this time, numbers cannot be confirmed as both sides are taking casualties as this difficult fight... continues”.
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31 Oct 2018 06:24

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi-case-latest-updates-181010133542286.html
United Nations human rights chief Michelle Bachelet called for international experts to take part in an independent investigation into the killing of Khashoggi, with access to evidence and witnesses.

"For an investigation to be carried out free of any appearance of political considerations, the involvement of international experts, with full access to evidence and witnesses, would be highly desirable," Bachelet said in a statement.


So what is Gina Haspel & the CIA doing with all the info?

EDIT - update - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/jamal-khashoggi-case-latest-updates-181010133542286.html
Saudi Arabian officials have appeared unwilling to "genuinely cooperate" with Turkey's investigation into the murder of Khashoggi, a senior Turkish official said.

"The Saudi officials seemed primarily interested in finding out what evidence the Turkish authorities had against the perpetrators," the official told AFP news agency on the condition of anonymity.

"We did not get the impression that they were keen on genuinely cooperating with the investigation."


So have the CIA told the Saudis what the Turks have? Maybe the Saudis think the Turks have more up their sleeve.
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31 Oct 2018 07:57

Seems like the ol' socialist hellhole is the place for talks about Yemen -
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/defence-chief-demands-yemen-ceasefire-peace-talks-30-days-181031000853428.html
Mattis said the United States is calling for all factions to meet United Nations Special Envoy Martin Griffiths in Sweden in November and "come to a solution".
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31 Oct 2018 18:40

^^nothing to do with the socialist sweden, imo...

like the vlad-thump meeting in finland earlier, the choice of the location seems to convey an idea that a country is neutral. indeed sweden, thankfully, is still a non-nato member. nor is it associated with, unlike the united states, with any war parties.

the meeting place has to be acceptable to all the meeting parties and it's far from clear that houthi rebels - a de facto arm of iran - has agreed.

i am glad that nordic countries - except norway and denmark - are still neutral and offer a chance for peace however faint :rolleyes:
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01 Nov 2018 14:07

The Swedes have been pushing for talks through the UN which is why Mattis chose Sweden.
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05 Nov 2018 08:28

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-46094228
Panic gripped the Indian capital Delhi on Monday as residents woke up to a blanket of thick grey smog ahead of Diwali, the festival of lights.

Visibility is poor as pollution levels reached 20 times the World Health Organisation's recommended limit.

The air quality is expected to worsen in the coming days due to the use of firecrackers, experts have warned.

Indian cities regularly dominate global pollution rankings for the worst air quality.
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Air quality in the city worsens every year in November and December as farmers in the neighbouring states of Punjab and Haryana burn crop stubble to clear their fields.

The Graded Response Action Plan (GRAP), an emergency government initiative to try and improve conditions, has also launched around Delhi. It bans activities like rubbish burning to try and improve air quality.


Time to do a bit more?
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07 Nov 2018 07:08

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/415429-pompeos-meeting-with-north-korean-officials-postponed
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s Thursday meeting with a top North Korean official has been postponed, the State Department said.

A statement early Wednesday from department spokeswoman Heather Nauert said the New York meeting will now take place at an unspecified “later date.”

“We will reconvene when our respective schedules permit,” she said. “Ongoing conversations continue to take place. The United States remains focused on fulfilling the commitments agreed to by President Trump and Chairman Kim [Jong Un] at the Singapore Summit in June.”

The statement did not elaborate on the reason for the postponement, which was announced while most of the United States was focused on Tuesday's midterm election results.


Not good news ... :sad:
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07 Nov 2018 11:21

^a perfectly expected news imo...when the us and china move along their trade confrontation, we may see a progress in korea.

even then,the very bottom line, unless the us is ready to drastically reduce its military occupation of s. korea, the norkor nukes will go nowhere. its a balance in the chinese view...particularly, when the non-stop us provocations in the s.china sea and the weapons sales to taiwan were done in the chinese face.

unable or unwilling to act as the us does in the gulf of mexco, it's a lot more serious than a boxer rebellion THIS TIME.....
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python wrote:^a perfectly expected news imo...when the us and china move along their trade confrontation, we may see a progress in korea.

even then,the very bottom line, unless the us is ready to drastically reduce its military occupation of s. korea, the norkor nukes will go nowhere. its a balance in the chinese view...particularly, when the non-stop us provocations in the s.china sea and the weapons sales to taiwan were done in the chinese face.

unable or unwilling to act as the us does in the gulf of mexco, it's a lot more serious than a boxer rebellion THIS TIME.....


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07 Nov 2018 13:51

Seems like Snowden has the same idea that I had -
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-07/israeli-spyware-may-have-helped-khashoggi-killers-snowden-says?srnd=premium-europe
Israel-based NSO Group Ltd. may have helped Saudi Arabia track and kill government critic Jamal Khashoggi at the kingdom’s consulate in Istanbul last month, fugitive U.S. whistle-blower Edward Snowden told an Israeli audience by video conference.

Speaking late Tuesday from an undisclosed location in Moscow, Snowden said Israeli companies like NSO Group are among the leaders in selling spyware programs that allow governments to monitor their political opponents.

The company’s Pegasus software, which can infect a target’s smartphone and in effect turn it into a spying device, had been installed on the phone of another Saudi dissident who was in contact with Khashoggi, Snowden said, citing the Canadian internet security think tank Citizen Lab. This could have helped the Saudis track Khashoggi and lure him to the consulate, Snowden said, without giving any evidence that it did.
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08 Nov 2018 07:21

http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/turkey/071120182
The political umbrella group of the PKK denounced US bounties on their top leaders as an attack against all Kurds.

"This aggressive, political decision and stance issued against the freedom movement has no political, social, ethical, conscious, or universal truth basis to it," said the Kurdistan Communities Group (KCK) in a statement on Wednesday.

The US announced rewards for information on three senior PKK leaders on Tuesday: up to $5 million for Murat Karayilan, up to $4 million for Cemil Bayik, and up to $3 million for Duran Kalkan.

The move came after two days of meetings with Turkish officials.

The PKK is a named terror organization in Turkey, the US, and Europe. Ankara also considers Kurdish groups in Syria – the PYD, YPG, YPJ, and SDF – as branches of the PKK and has denounced US support for these groups in the war against ISIS.
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The KCK defended the PKK’s record – it has fought alongside Kurdish forces in the war against ISIS.

"In Shingal, the PKK prevented the decimation of the Yezidi community, one of the oldest and most established of humanity, and gave a moral lesson to regional and international political forces," KCK stated,


more at http://www.rudaw.net/NewsDetails.aspx?pageid=410502

So the guys the US backed to fight IS in Iraq & Syria are now terrorists ... Anything to do with Khashoggi's murder & appeasing Erdogan?
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13 Nov 2018 14:20

https://www.thedailybeast.com/bolton-insists-khashoggi-murder-tape-doesnt-implicate-saudi-crown-prince?ref=home
John Bolton, President Donald Trump’s national security adviser, has insisted the recording of Jamal Khashoggi’s murder doesn’t implicate Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman in the crime, despite one member of the hit squad reportedly being heard instructing a superior over the phone to “tell your boss.” The recording has been seen by Turkish intelligence officers as some of the strongest evidence linking the de facto Saudi leader to the murder, according to The New York Times, which first reported the detail. Speaking in Singapore, where he’s attending a summit, Bolton said early Tuesday that he hadn’t heard the recording himself—but, asked if it links the crown prince to the killing, he said: “That’s not the conclusion I think that the people who heard it have come to, and that’s certainly not the position of the Saudi government.” Bolton added: “The president has made it clear he wants to get to the bottom of this.”

What a load of bs! This is how the US shall handle the killing? It was some rouge agents who might be Hilary supporters and illegal immigrants - so .... ermmm ... lock 'em up!
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13 Nov 2018 14:29

The U.S. News has included multiple stories about possibly @20 undeclared nuke sites..a satellite images..mission..not..accomplished..
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13 Nov 2018 15:44

Nothing sensible can ever be expected to come out of John Bolton's mouth. I get a headache every time I hear him spout his warmongering nonsense.
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14 Nov 2018 09:29

the us vp threatens china with a war...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2018/11/13/pence-its-up-to-china-to-avoid-a-cold-war/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.35026ad0c132

isn't it a time that the (yet) free nations of the world unite to do something about the arrogant regime in washington ? i mean before it will try to subdue each in an equal one-on-one conflict ?

a lot can be achieved if at least some countries which america is trying to intimidate into accepting its supremacy act in coordination.

here's the python (probably utopian) wish list : (i suggest not to get too serious about it... yet.... :) )
1. proceed from the macron rhetoric to starting the expelling of the us occupation troops from germany...the ww2 is over. others may follow
2. launch a relocation bid of the un from nyc to a more neutral locale. the unilateral abuse of the international privilege of who the state dept allows in will stop.
3. initiate a revision to bretton woods so that that the $ gets off the gravy train it is still riding
4. in the mid east, work to change the medeval saudi aradia regime - the staunch us ally and the main reactionary force.
5. europe must impose harsh sanctions on israel for the crimes against the palestinian's. the us zionist lobby duplicity will then be exposed naked
6. China and russia, unlike the lukewarm cooperation now, should explore a strategic political-military alliance. the russian nukes and resources, combined with the chinese industrial potential and human resources can very quickly surpass america even if added algebraically and immediately...

the last one the us is working very hard on actually taking place by punishing both - as little children - with non-stop sanctions and threats. i have more ideas :D
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15 Nov 2018 14:28

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-46222337
Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor has concluded that an intelligence officer ordered Jamal Khashoggi's murder, and not Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The officer was tasked with persuading the dissident journalist to return to the Gulf kingdom, a spokesman said.

Khashoggi was given a lethal injection after a struggle in the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October, he added.

The public prosecutor has charged 11 people over the murder and is seeking the death penalty for five of them.

Their cases have been referred to a court while investigations into another 10 people suspected of involvement continue.

Yep, they've gone with the "rouge agent" story ... :sad: Still no news on where the body parts are.
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