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11 Jun 2019 19:01

rick james wrote:I don’t need present any argument, I’ve got what I wanted

What did you want, that you have got? Because we haven't left yet.
If what you wanted was to come across as a reactionary dummy, then yes, you have got what you wanted.
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11 Jun 2019 19:10

rick james wrote:I don’t need present any argument, I’ve got what I wanted


Looks like you've not understood what internet fora are for, even though you keep posting on one :lol:

Not that surprised.
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11 Jun 2019 19:14

lol...still raging
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11 Jun 2019 19:19

Hardly. Just mildly amused really. Not sure why you are posting in here if you've "got what you wanted" and "dont need to explain".

Sounds like you haven't understood 'the internet'
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12 Jun 2019 09:00

Didn’t realise it was only the far left, socialist injustice, liberal nuts that were allowed to post on here
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12 Jun 2019 09:53

rick james wrote:Didn’t realise it was only the far left, socialist injustice, liberal nuts that were allowed to post on here


You're posting, so that's not really true. There have been a few right leaning people who post/posted here, there still are some, and as long as they post within the rules (which can be a bit lax in here due to the nature of the discussions) they are welcome to post.

The demographic you are likely to encounter on a cycling forum is probably going to be more left leaning (although anyone who defines themselves as a centrist is likely to be fiscally conservative) due to the people cycling attracts within the expected age brackets of online posters. Certainly the clubs I ride with have more left leaning young people and the more right leaning people tend to be older.

As for socialist injustice, I think it's important to recognise that a huge part of every functioning society is based on socialist principles and arose due to socialist endeavours:

Publicly funded police, fire departments, infrastructure and its maintenance, housing, utilities and transport are all socialist principles. Simple things like turning on a tap and getting free (part of tax), clean drinking water exist because of socialism. For profit fire departments have been tried and they don't work well (for obvious reasons). Free education is fundamental to attempting to create a fairer society and is another socialist endeavour.

The NHS is social healthcare. Taking something as simple as giving birth as an example. The cost to give birth in the USA, even if you have insurance, is ~$5000-10000, depending on where you live. if you require a C-section you can chuck another $2500-4000 on top of that. If you don't have insurance you pretty much double those costs. This results in the poorest people in society being saddled with huge debts they can't pay. It's insanely unfair compared to social healthcare.

Socialism is pretty much the opposite of injustice. As an economic theory it advocates for a fair reward for your labour and politically that the community controls this and determines how best it is used. Capitalism does not and cannot. The fundamental principle of capitalism is that your labour is undervalued and the difference is kept as profit by private owners. Under Capitalism, as a worker, you are never paid a "fair" wage and never can be.
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12 Jun 2019 11:07

Add into that the overt and covert mechanisms brought into play by the wealthy and powerful to ensure their continued dominance and the suppression of everyone else.
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12 Jun 2019 11:41

Lol....this thread is bonkers
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12 Jun 2019 11:44

We get that you dont understand the concepts.
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12 Jun 2019 11:45

Momentum membership is strong in this thread
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12 Jun 2019 11:47

macbindle wrote:We get that you dont understand the concepts.

Says the one who doesn’t understand how a democratic vote works and will scream and shout like a spoilt little rich kid until they get their way
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12 Jun 2019 11:48

lol....you're raging :lol:
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12 Jun 2019 11:51

Raging not so much....embarrassed for some? Yes
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12 Jun 2019 11:52

Nah....raging. Proper dummy spat out rage.

lol.
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12 Jun 2019 11:54

Anyway, stepping away from Ricky's cot, here's something for the grownups:

'Brexit delay means defeat': Boris Johnson launches campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/12/brexit-delay-means-defeat-boris-johnson-launches-campaign?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard


Brexit is still all about the Conservative party, and the personal ambitions of those within it.
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12 Jun 2019 12:40

The simple reality is that there are 3 options on the table

1) The current negotiated deal in its entirety
2) A "no deal" Brexit
3) revoke article 50

Everything else by these "leadership" candidates is posturing that doesn't change that reality.
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12 Jun 2019 13:07

3....is a no go

1....is a rubbish deal

2...it’s the future
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12 Jun 2019 13:08

Catwhoorg wrote:The simple reality is that there are 3 options on the table

1) The current negotiated deal in its entirety
2) A "no deal" Brexit
3) revoke article 50

Everything else by these "leadership" candidates is posturing that doesn't change that reality.



I dont think they are looking to manage Brexit. They are looking to manage a general election
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12 Jun 2019 13:55

Vincenzo Nibali:
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Reduce your carbon footprint, ride steel.
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12 Jun 2019 14:01

ha ha ha the old "leaked memo" :lol:

Gove's revenge?
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