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13 Nov 2017 00:36

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Using his house flipping analogy, The NFL gets players in various states of 'readiness', and should develop them accordingly. IMO the NFL has be failed at that (in general, some teams obviously do better than others). Teams go into the draft looking for a mansion that just needs a good cleaning. There aren't too many of those in any draft. When teams get fixer uppers, they don't develop them, they just flip them. Plus, the talking heads like to talk about past draft classes like they knew the hidden gems would be good...I call BS on that. In 2020 we might be talking about how amazing the 2018 class is.

FYI: It was just last year that 'we' were talking about how pathetic it was that Goff and Wentz were the best QBs in the draft. Plus, Dak Prescott came out of that draft too. Three top QBs in one draft...that's amazing for suck a weak class huh?! :eek: :rolleyes:


That's true but most people agreed that Goff's class potential wise was much better than this year's draft at least with the QBs. Still Watson looks the goods and so do one or two others. A large part of the problem for the Rams was Fisher. McVey really has their offense firing this year.
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13 Nov 2017 18:11

The rules committee really needs to fix the idiotic touch-back rule when a team fumbles out of the end zone. The obvious improvement is that if you fumble out of the end zone, you get the ball on the one yard line. I'm not sure how long it has been in the books (pre NFL), but the amazing part is that such a dumb rule has lasted this long.
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13 Nov 2017 18:50

movingtarget wrote:Giants coach might be in trouble after losing to the almighty 49ers ! Eli Manning should retire.



To be fair to both teams, it was probably a pick-em before the game. Both teams are at the bottom of the league, though the 49ers have been close in a few game this season, perhaps their record is 'deceiving.' The Giants were contenders to make the playoffs this season, but so many injuries have derailed them. Those not effected seem to be losing interest-probably something more than simply bad play and injuries in play here...coaching staff issues with players is a recipe for disaster. If both the staff and the players were on the same page, they'd be playing harder and probably would have won more than just one solitary game so far.

The coach is definitely in trouble and Eli probably isn't far away from retirement, though I actually see him going for another 1-2 years. Maybe not.
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14 Nov 2017 07:24

jmdirt wrote:The rules committee really needs to fix the idiotic touch-back rule when a team fumbles out of the end zone. The obvious improvement is that if you fumble out of the end zone, you get the ball on the one yard line. I'm not sure how long it has been in the books (pre NFL), but the amazing part is that such a dumb rule has lasted this long.


Yes, truly a dumb rule.
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15 Nov 2017 17:17


families of debilitated former N.F.L. players say the league is obstructing their access to an estimated $1 billion settlement over concussions by reflexively rejecting valid claims and bogging down the process with unreasonable demands

Hmmm. The league Should have deep enough pockets to cover 1 billion. Maybe the league does not have the funds in position to be accessed. Or maybe they they are just being Jack Wagons.
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15 Nov 2017 17:26

I don't poke around much anymore into other threads in the Forum. So I just learned that ALPE was let go as a moderator of this forum :cry: . Sad, but glad he's not suffering from some terrible disease. Plus much more time for him to spend with wifey, family & bike. So he wins! Will miss his thoughtful NFL commentary in this thread. Go PA!
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15 Nov 2017 18:39

on3m@n@rmy wrote:I don't poke around much anymore into other threads in the Forum. So I just learned that ALPE was let go as a moderator of this forum :cry: . Sad, but glad he's not suffering from some terrible disease. Plus much more time for him to spend with wifey, family & bike. So he wins! Will miss his thoughtful NFL commentary in this thread. Go PA!

Hopefully he comes back once he feels better about what happened. I like his mod. style, but no one cares what I think! :lol:

Its getting to crunch time...what teams are going to make their push for the playoff other than the obvious ones?
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Yesterday 00:42

jmdirt wrote:
on3m@n@rmy wrote:I don't poke around much anymore into other threads in the Forum. So I just learned that ALPE was let go as a moderator of this forum :cry: . Sad, but glad he's not suffering from some terrible disease. Plus much more time for him to spend with wifey, family & bike. So he wins! Will miss his thoughtful NFL commentary in this thread. Go PA!

Hopefully he comes back once he feels better about what happened. I like his mod. style, but no one cares what I think! :lol:

Its getting to crunch time...what teams are going to make their push for the playoff other than the obvious ones?


Seattle and the Cardinals are where I expected them to be. Seattle should make the playoffs while the Cardinals won't of course and have a rebuild on the horizon. Fitz and Palmer will probably be gone at the end of the year. The Steelers came good after two early losses. I picked the Eagles as the big improvers this year and I picked the Falcons to go backwards after a horror Super Bowl loss and losing their OC and their defensive coaches. Rams will make it but the Falcons need a run of wins. Panthers have done better than I expected but the biggest surprises for me are the Rams who look like a new team and the Saints. Some people are saying the Rams will collapse still with the hard part of their schedule to come. The Jaguars have been improvers and a few people tipped that to happen before the season started.

The other surprises for me are the Cowboys who will struggle more now, especially with Elliott to serve his full suspension after withdrawing his appeal. Hindsight says he would have been better off serving his suspension immediately. Also the Giants who are having a horror season and last week against the 49ers were terrible. Denver also looks very ordinary. So for me it's more about which formerly good teams are not performing than which teams have made the jump to playoff contention. Rams and Eagles are looking good. As for the Browns even though they have had quite a few close games like the 49ers, the number one draft pick looks almost a certainty. Looks like a quite a few coaching casualties on the way, more than last season anyway with so many good teams not performing.

As long as Brady stays healthy to me it looks like the Patriots are no worse off than last year.
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Yesterday 06:14

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jmdirt wrote:
on3m@n@rmy wrote:I don't poke around much anymore into other threads in the Forum. So I just learned that ALPE was let go as a moderator of this forum :cry: . Sad, but glad he's not suffering from some terrible disease. Plus much more time for him to spend with wifey, family & bike. So he wins! Will miss his thoughtful NFL commentary in this thread. Go PA!

Hopefully he comes back once he feels better about what happened. I like his mod. style, but no one cares what I think! :lol:

Its getting to crunch time...what teams are going to make their push for the playoff other than the obvious ones?


Seattle and the Cardinals are where I expected them to be. Seattle should make the playoffs while the Cardinals won't of course and have a rebuild on the horizon. Fitz and Palmer will probably be gone at the end of the year. The Steelers came good after two early losses. I picked the Eagles as the big improvers this year and I picked the Falcons to go backwards after a horror Super Bowl loss and losing their OC and their defensive coaches. Rams will make it but the Falcons need a run of wins. Panthers have done better than I expected but the biggest surprises for me are the Rams who look like a new team and the Saints. Some people are saying the Rams will collapse still with the hard part of their schedule to come. The Jaguars have been improvers and a few people tipped that to happen before the season started.

The other surprises for me are the Cowboys who will struggle more now, especially with Elliott to serve his full suspension after withdrawing his appeal. Hindsight says he would have been better off serving his suspension immediately. Also the Giants who are having a horror season and last week against the 49ers were terrible. Denver also looks very ordinary. So for me it's more about which formerly good teams are not performing than which teams have made the jump to playoff contention. Rams and Eagles are looking good. As for the Browns even though they have had quite a few close games like the 49ers, the number one draft pick looks almost a certainty. Looks like a quite a few coaching casualties on the way, more than last season anyway with so many good teams not performing.

As long as Brady stays healthy to me it looks like the Patriots are no worse off than last year.

Ya, in AFC the Pats & Stelers are separating from the pack. Then you have the Bills, Chiefs, Jags, & Titans trailing. Of those last 4 teams, not sure who may pull through. But I suspect the Chiefs could falter if Alex Smith performs worse in bad weather as he historically had done.

In the NFC, I agree it woulda been better if Zeke had just served his suspension in the beginning. Now the 5-4 Cowboys have to face December crunch time mostly without Zeke. To make it harder for them, over the next 6 games of Zeke's suspension they host the Eagles, Seahawks, & Redskins, then finish the regular season at the Eagles. Falcons and Lions could make a push from current 5-4 record. But the highest-seeded team so far are the Eagles, Vikings, followed by Rams, Saints, Panthers, Seahawks.

Of those last 4 teams, Rams (7-2) have hard schedule. They are at the Vikings (7-2), vs. Saints (7-2), at Cardinals (4-5), vs. Eagles (8-1), at Seahawks (6-3), at Titans (6-3), vs. 49ers (1-9). They could end up 9-7!

With easier schedule, Panthers (7-3) could make a run. They are at Jets (4-6), at Saints (7-2), vs. Vikings (7-2), vs. Packers (5-4), vs. Buccaneers (3-6), at Falcons (5-4). So could end up at 10-5 or 11-4.

Likewise, the 7-2 Saints could also make a push. Are vs. Redskins (4-5), at Rams (7-2), vs. Panthers (7-3), at Falcons (5-4), vs. Jets (4-6), vs. Falcons (5-4), at Buccaneers (3-6). At this point I like the Saints over Panthers.

Seattle (6-3) with relatively easier schedule than some, will be hard for them with all the players out wih injury or having to play nicked up. Too many to list, but they are lucky to still have CB Lane (failed physical at Houston in the trade for LT Duane Brown), lucky to get LT Brown, & lucky DE Dion Jordan is back in the absense of DE Cliff Avril. So Seattle are at Falcons (5-4), at 49ers (1-9), vs. Eagles (8-1), at Jaguars (6-3), vs. Rams (7-2), at Cowboys (5-4), vs. Cardinals (4-5). Seattle could win all but one of those and end up 12-4. But Seattle is a bit of an enigma and could lose all but one of those, ending up 7-9. S Earl Thomas could be back this week, but any more key injuries and they could easily end up 7-9.
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Yesterday 13:05

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movingtarget wrote:
jmdirt wrote:
on3m@n@rmy wrote:I don't poke around much anymore into other threads in the Forum. So I just learned that ALPE was let go as a moderator of this forum :cry: . Sad, but glad he's not suffering from some terrible disease. Plus much more time for him to spend with wifey, family & bike. So he wins! Will miss his thoughtful NFL commentary in this thread. Go PA!

Hopefully he comes back once he feels better about what happened. I like his mod. style, but no one cares what I think! :lol:

Its getting to crunch time...what teams are going to make their push for the playoff other than the obvious ones?


Seattle and the Cardinals are where I expected them to be. Seattle should make the playoffs while the Cardinals won't of course and have a rebuild on the horizon. Fitz and Palmer will probably be gone at the end of the year. The Steelers came good after two early losses. I picked the Eagles as the big improvers this year and I picked the Falcons to go backwards after a horror Super Bowl loss and losing their OC and their defensive coaches. Rams will make it but the Falcons need a run of wins. Panthers have done better than I expected but the biggest surprises for me are the Rams who look like a new team and the Saints. Some people are saying the Rams will collapse still with the hard part of their schedule to come. The Jaguars have been improvers and a few people tipped that to happen before the season started.

The other surprises for me are the Cowboys who will struggle more now, especially with Elliott to serve his full suspension after withdrawing his appeal. Hindsight says he would have been better off serving his suspension immediately. Also the Giants who are having a horror season and last week against the 49ers were terrible. Denver also looks very ordinary. So for me it's more about which formerly good teams are not performing than which teams have made the jump to playoff contention. Rams and Eagles are looking good. As for the Browns even though they have had quite a few close games like the 49ers, the number one draft pick looks almost a certainty. Looks like a quite a few coaching casualties on the way, more than last season anyway with so many good teams not performing.

As long as Brady stays healthy to me it looks like the Patriots are no worse off than last year.

Ya, in AFC the Pats & Stelers are separating from the pack. Then you have the Bills, Chiefs, Jags, & Titans trailing. Of those last 4 teams, not sure who may pull through. But I suspect the Chiefs could falter if Alex Smith performs worse in bad weather as he historically had done.

In the NFC, I agree it woulda been better if Zeke had just served his suspension in the beginning. Now the 5-4 Cowboys have to face December crunch time mostly without Zeke. To make it harder for them, over the next 6 games of Zeke's suspension they host the Eagles, Seahawks, & Redskins, then finish the regular season at the Eagles. Falcons and Lions could make a push from current 5-4 record. But the highest-seeded team so far are the Eagles, Vikings, followed by Rams, Saints, Panthers, Seahawks.

Of those last 4 teams, Rams (7-2) have hard schedule. They are at the Vikings (7-2), vs. Saints (7-2), at Cardinals (4-5), vs. Eagles (8-1), at Seahawks (6-3), at Titans (6-3), vs. 49ers (1-9). They could end up 9-7!

With easier schedule, Panthers (7-3) could make a run. They are at Jets (4-6), at Saints (7-2), vs. Vikings (7-2), vs. Packers (5-4), vs. Buccaneers (3-6), at Falcons (5-4). So could end up at 10-5 or 11-4.

Likewise, the 7-2 Saints could also make a push. Are vs. Redskins (4-5), at Rams (7-2), vs. Panthers (7-3), at Falcons (5-4), vs. Jets (4-6), vs. Falcons (5-4), at Buccaneers (3-6). At this point I like the Saints over Panthers.

Seattle (6-3) with relatively easier schedule than some, will be hard for them with all the players out wih injury or having to play nicked up. Too many to list, but they are lucky to still have CB Lane (failed physical at Houston in the trade for LT Duane Brown), lucky to get LT Brown, & lucky DE Dion Jordan is back in the absense of DE Cliff Avril. So Seattle are at Falcons (5-4), at 49ers (1-9), vs. Eagles (8-1), at Jaguars (6-3), vs. Rams (7-2), at Cowboys (5-4), vs. Cardinals (4-5). Seattle could win all but one of those and end up 12-4. But Seattle is a bit of an enigma and could lose all but one of those, ending up 7-9. S Earl Thomas could be back this week, but any more key injuries and they could easily end up 7-9.


The Bills are a schizo team and now they have benched Tyrod Taylor. Last year it looked like they might not even re-sign him. They are a week to week proposition. Kansas will probably make the playoffs but something tells me they won't do much when they get there. With the Rams schedule they have the chance to show whether they are a danger in the playoffs or not. Yes Seattle has some injury concerns but the last person they want to get injured is Russell Wilson. The wheels seem to have fallen off the Redskins, and also the Raiders who I expected to be improvers after last year. The Vikings are looking pretty solid. Elway really has to sort out the QB mess at Denver.
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Today 13:27

Isn't "clocking" the ball intentional grounding?

EDIT: Item 3: Stopping Clock. A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.

That's the "answer", but why did they add that rule? Wasn't it the Marino rules at one time?
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