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05 May 2018 14:25

Seattle released DE Clif Avril under a failed physical (injury) designation. Here is a really good explanation of what the injury designation means to the player, team CAP space, and how the CAP is calculated in this scenario: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/5/5/17322298/cliff-avril-injury-designation-seattle-seahawks-article-45-cba-weekly-payments-aboushi

Big Ben dismayed by the Steelers 3rd round selection of QB Mason Rudolf, and says he will not mentor Rudolf (will just "point to the playbook if asked a question by Rudolf"). Now, I understand being dismayed because a 3rd round pick could be used on another position to help the team now (whereas Rudolf will only backup if he makes the roster). But teams have a right and responsibility to look to the future too. To not be willing to mentor is acting like a child. Little Ben. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2774359-ben-roethlisberger-surprised-steelers-drafted-mason-rudolph-wont-mentor-qb
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Re: National Football League

05 May 2018 15:11

on3m@n@rmy wrote:Seattle released DE Clif Avril under a failed physical (injury) designation. Here is a really good explanation of what the injury designation means to the player, team CAP space, and how the CAP is calculated in this scenario: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/5/5/17322298/cliff-avril-injury-designation-seattle-seahawks-article-45-cba-weekly-payments-aboushi

Big Ben dismayed by the Steelers 3rd round selection of QB Mason Rudolf, and says he will not mentor Rudolf (will just "point to the playbook if asked a question by Rudolf"). Now, I understand being dismayed because a 3rd round pick could be used on another position to help the team now (whereas Rudolf will only backup if he makes the roster). But teams have a right and responsibility to look to the future too. To not be willing to mentor is acting like a child. Little Ben. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2774359-ben-roethlisberger-surprised-steelers-drafted-mason-rudolph-wont-mentor-qb


Sounds more like not wanting to face reality for Ben. He hasn't got long until retirement, why would he refuse to help his team ? He was a rookie once.
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Re: National Football League

05 May 2018 16:00

Excellent points. In fact,
Ben was the #11 overall pick in the 2004 draft. Ben started his rookie season as the #3 quarterback behind vets Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch. When Batch was injured in the preseason, Roethlisberger took over the #2 QB role. Maddox started, and won, the season opener against the Raiders and started versus the Ravens, but after an ineffective outing and third-quarter injury to Maddox, Roethlisberger stepped in for his first NFL action.
Good chances Batch and/or Maddox helped him. Ben ended the 2004 season as offensive rookie of the year.
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Re: National Football League

05 May 2018 21:58

on3m@n@rmy wrote:Seattle released DE Clif Avril under a failed physical (injury) designation. Here is a really good explanation of what the injury designation means to the player, team CAP space, and how the CAP is calculated in this scenario: https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/5/5/17322298/cliff-avril-injury-designation-seattle-seahawks-article-45-cba-weekly-payments-aboushi

Big Ben dismayed by the Steelers 3rd round selection of QB Mason Rudolf, and says he will not mentor Rudolf (will just "point to the playbook if asked a question by Rudolf"). Now, I understand being dismayed because a 3rd round pick could be used on another position to help the team now (whereas Rudolf will only backup if he makes the roster). But teams have a right and responsibility to look to the future too. To not be willing to mentor is acting like a child. Little Ben. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2774359-ben-roethlisberger-surprised-steelers-drafted-mason-rudolph-wont-mentor-qb

I've always gotten the feeling that Ben is an arshat. My thought is the same as yours, doesn't he want the team to be successful? Having a prepped and ready QB2 is import, maybe more so for him. I read that Flacco is doing the same to Jackson. I think both guys know that their days are numbered no matter what, and bringing in these young guys doubles the counting.

On that note, I have read that BAL was really impressed with Jackson's first day. Like I posted above, don't be surprised in Jackson is leading the team to a solid season in 18.
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05 May 2018 22:42

Alpe d'Huez wrote:That's quite possible, I just don't know why, if they were confident enough with that position, that they'd even trade to get Taylor, why not just sign someone off the wire, like one of the Minnesota QBs?
Cleveland only traded a 3rd round pick for him...nothing special there. And the two Minnesota rejects, Keenum & Bradford, were signed for big time starting QB money with Denver & Arizona.

If the Browns were certain of taking one of the big-4 with either the 1st or at the very least the 4th, then I would think Taylor was acquired soley for a back-up role despite all the rhetoric we're hearing from Jackson. The only two QBs Cleveland had at the time were Stanton and some kid named Joel Stave. Look at it this way; if Taylor is so good & starting material, why did the Bills give him away for a measly 3rd round pick and focus their attention on one of the big 4? You'd think after going to the playoffs for the first time in 18 yrs, Bill's ownership would be doing cartwheels and keep Taylor around for an encore. Lol. Taylor was terrible in that loss to Jacksonville in the WC game; 17/37, 134 yds, 0 TDs, 1 pick & 3 pts offensively (lost 10-3). The harsh reality seems to be with some teams that it's just not good enough to make the playoffs with a veteran QB at the helm anymore (the exception being SB winning QBs).

And the anticipated rookie contract for Mayfield is expected to be around $33 million with a signing bonus of $22 million!!! Similar contracts expected for Darnold, Allen & Chosen Rosen:

http://www.businessinsider.com/2018-nfl-draft-first-round-pick-salaries-baker-mayfield-lamar-jackson-2018-4

All I can say is are you freaking kidding me? A $22 million signing bonus to a guy who's never even thrown a pass yet! So, the owners writing the checks to these guys aren't going to have them sit the bench very long with that kind of dough they're getting.
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06 May 2018 02:43

Nomad wrote:
Alpe d'Huez wrote:That's quite possible, I just don't know why, if they were confident enough with that position, that they'd even trade to get Taylor, why not just sign someone off the wire, like one of the Minnesota QBs?
Cleveland only traded a 3rd round pick for him...nothing special there. And the two Minnesota rejects, Keenum & Bradford, were signed for big time starting QB money with Denver & Arizona.

If the Browns were certain of taking one of the big-4 with either the 1st or at the very least the 4th, then I would think Taylor was acquired soley for a back-up role despite all the rhetoric we're hearing from Jackson. The only two QBs Cleveland had at the time were Stanton and some kid named Joel Stave. Look at it this way; if Taylor is so good & starting material, why did the Bills give him away for a measly 3rd round pick and focus their attention on one of the big 4? You'd think after going to the playoffs for the first time in 18 yrs, Bill's ownership would be doing cartwheels and keep Taylor around for an encore. Lol. Taylor was terrible in that loss to Jacksonville in the WC game; 17/37, 134 yds, 0 TDs, 1 pick & 3 pts offensively (lost 10-3). The harsh reality seems to be with some teams that it's just not good enough to make the playoffs with a veteran QB at the helm anymore (the exception being SB winning QBs).

And the anticipated rookie contract for Mayfield is expected to be around $33 million with a signing bonus of $22 million!!! Similar contracts expected for Darnold, Allen & Chosen Rosen:

http://www.businessinsider.com/2018-nfl-draft-first-round-pick-salaries-baker-mayfield-lamar-jackson-2018-4

All I can say is are you freaking kidding me? A $22 million signing bonus to a guy who's never even thrown a pass yet! So, the owners writing the checks to these guys aren't going to have them sit the bench very long with that kind of dough they're getting.


Yeah they got a good deal for Taylor but at the same time had doubts about him. Not a bad move.
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06 May 2018 14:59

They're paying Taylor $16m. Granted, it's a one year deal, and they have liquid cash, but that's not small money. Still, I'll say as I did before, while I don't expect him to start week #1 unless he really impresses, I agree it can't be long until they do play Mayfield, at least if they think they can protect him, and losing doesn't shatter his confidence. Then again, this is the Browns we're talking about. So please don't post here next year selectively quoting me on anything I predict about that organization. :-)

Now for a total swing of the pendulum. As to Big Ben, where he's really wrong is if you look at the big picture, the Steelers have been one of the most successful, most stable, most respected organizations in the history of football, if not all sports. They rarely, and I mean rarely make rash decisions at all. This is why they have six Superbowl wins (having been to 8), they have played in, and hosted more AFC Championship games than any other team (16/11) in NFL history, a staggering number really, and won a whopping 23 division titles in the modern era - 48 years, that's nearly a 50% rate, and includes the days when more than 4 teams were in a division. This is also a record. While one could quibble they haven't won a Superbowl since 2011, they are 124–66 under Mike Tomlin. A record almost every coach, and team, in any sport would envy. This is also a very impressive number considering NFL free agency and salary cap rules. I didn't do a full comparison, but I believe the only NFL coach during this time with a better winning percentage is Bill Belicheck, the greatest coach in NFL history, and a team with the best QB in NFL history (Brady, obviously).

I've been following the NFL a long, long time, over four decades actually. One of the things you just never, ever hear, is someone legitimately question the decisions of the front office and coaching staff of the Steelers with any seriousness at all.

The extra irony is that after he retires, if he wished to, the Steelers are a team that would likely help Ben for the rest of his life one way or the other with some form of employment, and the city would embrace him as such. Anyone who has ever been to Pittsburgh immediately understands what I'm talking about here. I'll chalk what he said up to emotion, but what he said was flat out wrong.
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06 May 2018 17:21

Alpe d'Huez wrote:They're paying Taylor $16m. Granted, it's a one year deal, and they have liquid cash, but that's not small money. Still, I'll say as I did before, while I don't expect him to start week #1 unless he really impresses, I agree it can't be long until they do play Mayfield, at least if they think they can protect him, and losing doesn't shatter his confidence. Then again, this is the Browns we're talking about. So please don't post here next year selectively quoting me on anything I predict about that organization. :-)

Now for a total swing of the pendulum. As to Big Ben, where he's really wrong is if you look at the big picture, the Steelers have been one of the most successful, most stable, most respected organizations in the history of football, if not all sports. They rarely, and I mean rarely make rash decisions at all. This is why they have six Superbowl wins (having been to 8), they have played in, and hosted more AFC Championship games than any other team (16/11) in NFL history, a staggering number really, and won a whopping 23 division titles in the modern era - 48 years, that's nearly a 50% rate, and includes the days when more than 4 teams were in a division. This is also a record. While one could quibble they haven't won a Superbowl since 2011, they are 124–66 under Mike Tomlin. A record almost every coach, and team, in any sport would envy. This is also a very impressive number considering NFL free agency and salary cap rules. I didn't do a full comparison, but I believe the only NFL coach during this time with a better winning percentage is Bill Belicheck, the greatest coach in NFL history, and a team with the best QB in NFL history (Brady, obviously).

I've been following the NFL a long, long time, over four decades actually. One of the things you just never, ever hear, is someone legitimately question the decisions of the front office and coaching staff of the Steelers with any seriousness at all.

The extra irony is that after he retires, if he wished to, the Steelers are a team that would likely help Ben for the rest of his life one way or the other with some form of employment, and the city would embrace him as such. Anyone who has ever been to Pittsburgh immediately understands what I'm talking about here. I'll chalk what he said up to emotion, but what he said was flat out wrong.

RE: CLE/Mayfield: I compare the situation to SEA and Wilson when he came to camp. The obvious difference is that they brought Bridgwater in (he's not the starter from last year). I don't remember anyone suggesting that Wilson would be the man, but... I see Mayfield starting from game one. $16 MIL for a QB2 might be OK in NFL 2018?

Above I am only comparing the situation, but its hard not to compare the size, style and dynamics of the two, but probably not their personalities.
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06 May 2018 17:32

Alpe d'Huez wrote:They're paying Taylor $16m. Granted, it's a one year deal, and they have liquid cash, but that's not small money. Still, I'll say as I did before, while I don't expect him to start week #1 unless he really impresses, I agree it can't be long until they do play Mayfield, at least if they think they can protect him, and losing doesn't shatter his confidence. Then again, this is the Browns we're talking about. So please don't post here next year selectively quoting me on anything I predict about that organization. :-)

Now for a total swing of the pendulum. As to Big Ben, where he's really wrong is if you look at the big picture, the Steelers have been one of the most successful, most stable, most respected organizations in the history of football, if not all sports. They rarely, and I mean rarely make rash decisions at all. This is why they have six Superbowl wins (having been to 8), they have played in, and hosted more AFC Championship games than any other team (16/11) in NFL history, a staggering number really, and won a whopping 23 division titles in the modern era - 48 years, that's nearly a 50% rate, and includes the days when more than 4 teams were in a division. This is also a record. While one could quibble they haven't won a Superbowl since 2011, they are 124–66 under Mike Tomlin. A record almost every coach, and team, in any sport would envy. This is also a very impressive number considering NFL free agency and salary cap rules. I didn't do a full comparison, but I believe the only NFL coach during this time with a better winning percentage is Bill Belicheck, the greatest coach in NFL history, and a team with the best QB in NFL history (Brady, obviously).

I've been following the NFL a long, long time, over four decades actually. One of the things you just never, ever hear, is someone legitimately question the decisions of the front office and coaching staff of the Steelers with any seriousness at all.

The extra irony is that after he retires, if he wished to, the Steelers are a team that would likely help Ben for the rest of his life one way or the other with some form of employment, and the city would embrace him as such. Anyone who has ever been to Pittsburgh immediately understands what I'm talking about here. I'll chalk what he said up to emotion, but what he said was flat out wrong.



With the impressive numbers/records the Steelers have, this also includes the disastrous decade of the 80's.

I agree with you that Ben is wrong, hopefully it was just emotion talking. Also he was saying he was going to retire not long ago.
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06 May 2018 21:01

Yes, didn't Ben hint at that last year? I'm not looking that up.
jmdirt wrote:RE: CLE/Mayfield: I compare the situation to SEA and Wilson when he came to camp. The obvious difference is that they brought Bridgwater in (he's not the starter from last year). I don't remember anyone suggesting that Wilson would be the man, but... I see Mayfield starting from game one. $16 MIL for a QB2 might be OK in NFL 2018?.

It was Matt Flynn who Wilson beat out. But I think that's a good comparison, except Mayfield has to have higher expectations than Wilson did, a higher likelihood of starting right away. The thought in Seattle was that Flynn would start, and at some point, if it panned out, Wilson would take over. But it didn't take long through camp, and the pre-season, for Wilson to get the starting job, and IIRC that pre-season Flynn didn't even play that bad. Wilson was just better.

Bridgewater's rookie year he sat behind...Matt Cassell (or was it Ponder?), who could maybe be compared to Taylor in quality. I'm not looking up how long it took, but it wasn't many games before Bridgewater started. Week 3? Week4? He's now for the NYJ, and that is an interesting situation too. They have McCown, named starter, Bridgewater, and now Darnold, who is pretty green, but has huge potential. I think if the Browns expected their rookie QB to sit for a while behind Taylor, they would have taken Darnold.

The other rookie QBs, it's just a matter of time when Rosen starts in Arizona, whether Bradford gets hurt or not.

I think it's quite possible Josh Allen starts from week 1 in Buffalo. I just don't see him sitting long.

The funny thing in Pittsburgh, Rudolph may never start there, he's really not that much of a threat to Ben's job.
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06 May 2018 22:58

Alpe d'Huez wrote:The extra irony is that after he retires, if he wished to, the Steelers are a team that would likely help Ben for the rest of his life one way or the other with some form of employment, and the city would embrace him as such. Anyone who has ever been to Pittsburgh immediately understands what I'm talking about here.


Like these guys?

For some reason, former Pittsburgh Steelers players keep dying at an alarming rate, one that appears to be far higher than that for other NFL teams...

As with all NFL teams that joined the league in its early days -- the Steelers concluded their 75th season earlier this month -- Pittsburgh has lost nearly all of the players from its early teams. Five of the 34 who died since 2000 were in their 80s.

But it is the unusually high number of deaths among players who are relatively young that is uncommon. In 2006, a survey found that nearly one-fifth of the NFL players from the 1970s and 1980s who had died since 2000 were former Steelers.

"I can't explain it," longtime Steelers executive Joe Gordon said Friday. "Maybe it was something in the water."


Despite playing on one of the best NFL teams of all time, both Webster and Gilliam were homeless at times before dying.

Gilliam had cocaine and heroin problems and was once found sleeping in a cardboard box under a bridge in Nashville.

Terry Long, a post-Super Bowl era guard who underwent a dramatic and unusually fast weight gain while in college and the NFL, committed suicide 2 1/2 years ago at age 45 by drinking antifreeze. He tested positive for steroids while playing and once tried earlier to commit suicide by ingesting rat poison.


http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jan/20/sports/sp-steelerdeathdog20
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06 May 2018 23:42

Alpe d'Huez wrote:Yes, didn't Ben hint at that last year? I'm not looking that up.
jmdirt wrote:RE: CLE/Mayfield: I compare the situation to SEA and Wilson when he came to camp. The obvious difference is that they brought Bridgwater in (he's not the starter from last year). I don't remember anyone suggesting that Wilson would be the man, but... I see Mayfield starting from game one. $16 MIL for a QB2 might be OK in NFL 2018?.

It was Matt Flynn who Wilson beat out. But I think that's a good comparison, except Mayfield has to have higher expectations than Wilson did, a higher likelihood of starting right away. The thought in Seattle was that Flynn would start, and at some point, if it panned out, Wilson would take over. But it didn't take long through camp, and the pre-season, for Wilson to get the starting job, and IIRC that pre-season Flynn didn't even play that bad. Wilson was just better.

Bridgewater's rookie year he sat behind...Matt Cassell (or was it Ponder?), who could maybe be compared to Taylor in quality. I'm not looking up how long it took, but it wasn't many games before Bridgewater started. Week 3? Week4? He's now for the NYJ, and that is an interesting situation too. They have McCown, named starter, Bridgewater, and now Darnold, who is pretty green, but has huge potential. I think if the Browns expected their rookie QB to sit for a while behind Taylor, they would have taken Darnold.

The other rookie QBs, it's just a matter of time when Rosen starts in Arizona, whether Bradford gets hurt or not.

I think it's quite possible Josh Allen starts from week 1 in Buffalo. I just don't see him sitting long.

The funny thing in Pittsburgh, Rudolph may never start there, he's really not that much of a threat to Ben's job.

I was thinking that it was Jackson before Wilson?
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07 May 2018 07:06

Alpe d'Huez wrote:They're paying Taylor $16m. Granted, it's a one year deal, and they have liquid cash, but that's not small money. Still, I'll say as I did before, while I don't expect him to start week #1 unless he really impresses, I agree it can't be long until they do play Mayfield, at least if they think they can protect him, and losing doesn't shatter his confidence. Then again, this is the Browns we're talking about. So please don't post here next year selectively quoting me on anything I predict about that organization. :-)
No problem...but we'll all look like fools if Cleveland goes 11-5 or something with Mayfield. And that is a lot of $$$ for a player who's probably destined to be a back-up. As I mentioned before, you'd think after going to the playoffs for the first time in 18 yrs, Bill's ownership would be doing cartwheels and keep Taylor around for an encore. But instead they trade him away and trade up in the draft to grab Allen. But it's even more funny with injury-prone Bradford. The Cardinals sign him to a $20m deal with a *$10m* signing bonus and then turn around and trade up to get Chosen Rosen. Lol. And now Wilks says Rosen will compete for the starting job:

https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/26/steve-wilks-leaves-door-open-for-josh-rosen-to-be-starting-qb/

And unless Darnold really screws it up in preseason, he looks to be the man behind the wheel. From the nydailynews:

"Reduced to simplest terms, the Jets quarterback competition this summer will be Sam Darnold vs. Sam Darnold.

Forget about Josh McCown vs. Teddy Bridgewater vs. the rookie. Gang Green will give the No. 3 overall pick of the 2018 draft every opportunity to be the Week 1 starter without unnecessarily rushing his development."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-sam-darnold-team-week-1-starting-qb-article-1.3968623

And from "coaches say the darndest things" category: Remember last year Bill O'Brien firmly named Tom Savage as the starter at the end of preseason reaffirming that Deshaun Watson wasn't ready and would be the #2 guy. What happened during the season opener? Savage was replaced at halftime with Watson. LOL..Too Funny.
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07 May 2018 14:42

Merckx index wrote:Like these guys?

Welcome back Merckx. Yep, well aware of that story. Read the articles, saw the doc on Frontline, saw the movie. I was thinking of Ben in an isolated assumption, yes. I still would imagine they would employ him if that's what he sought, and the city would love him after he retired, even with some of his dark moments. No, I'm not basing that on any objective data. Maybe I'm wrong.

Thoughts on what he had to say about Rudolph? The organization's effort to win? That's the topic at hand, no?
Nomad wrote:[No problem...but we'll all look like fools if Cleveland goes 11-5 or something...

And unless Darnold really screws it up in preseason, he looks to be the man behind the wheel..

I'll bet my house the Browns don't go 11-5. I don't care if they bring Otto Graham back to play QB. Not going to happen. Holes in both lines, not much depth, few veterans with experience winning, etc. etc.

As to Darnold, I think that's a real risk if they are just assuming right now he'll start from week 1. He's 20 years old, barely two years out of high school. He has a lot of potential, but just watch film on him, there's a lot of kinks to work out. He has a windup throw that needs work, he often forces the ball, resulting in turnovers. There's just a lot of things he needs work on. Even more than Josh Allen perhaps. Sam didn't throw at the Combine, but Allen did, and he looked superb there. But unlike Allen, he's on a weaker team, without question. Still, it wouldn't surprise me if Darnold, McCown and Bridgewater are all even in camp, and Sam starts from game one or soon after. This is the NFL, and the Jets need some sort of hope for the future.

I said this once before, but it was more about the draft itself. Coaches, owners and fans get blind leading to the draft with QBs. They ignore their limitations, the work they may need, and instead see a player who has never failed in the NFL. What they often don't do is any sort of objective comparison to any other vet that may be around, and just as good or better, and instead roll the dice. They do it with high draft picks, big contracts, and lots of time starting games. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it doesn't. You can list the busts just as well as I can. But they work from the assumption that it will work, it just has to. If you want an example of both here, look at my favorite team, the Raiders. They knew Jim Plunkett could still play when they got him and others wondered if his career was done, and he lead them to two Superbowl wins. They knew Rich Gannon was under utilized as a backup, and he lead them to both a Superbowl, and an MVP season. But they also got giddy about Jamarcus Russell, and you could say the same about Todd Marinovich. But there are examples also where vets were expected to play better than they did. We just talked about Matt Flynn. Matt Schaub is another. Were they bad as starters? No, not bad. But neither really set the world on fire. Schaub starting and playing more than Flynn. What's the old saying? Who's the most popular football player in town? The backup quarterback. That's until the draft comes along.
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08 May 2018 08:26

Alpe d'Huez wrote:
Welcome back Merckx. Yep, well aware of that story. Read the articles, saw the doc on Frontline, saw the movie. I was thinking of Ben in an isolated assumption, yes. I still would imagine they would employ him if that's what he sought, and the city would love him after he retired, even with some of his dark moments. No, I'm not basing that on any objective data. Maybe I'm wrong.


Of course you would know about all that. If anyone here would, you would.

Thoughts on what he had to say about Rudolph? The organization's effort to win? That's the topic at hand, no?


Oh, I agree that Big Ben is being pretty small. I understand why. He doesn't know how much longer he has, but it could be several more years, and he doesn't want to get pushed out by his heir apparent.

The last years of a great QB are usually difficult for everyone involved. The team has to have someone ready to step into his shoes, but you can't predict the timing. Too soon, and you get conflicts like Favre vs. Rodgers, or even Montana - Young. Too late, and the team has no one. Which seems to be the case for NE, but who am I to second-guess Beli?

Speaking of Rodgers, wasn't Flynn his backup at GB before he went to Seattle? IIRC, that was the year after GB won the SB, they went 15-1, and since they had locked up HFA, Flynn started the final game--and threw six TD passes. And though I can't remember the team he beat, I remember it was in the playoff race at the time, so definitely motivated. I thought Flynn had a great future at the time, but he disappeared. Another one of those QBs that suddenly you think, years later, whatever happened to...?

I know you're a long-time fan of the silver-and-black, Alpe, so here's a great joke involving that team and a QB who never really made it. I'm sure you remember Mark Wilson. Back then, this was a joke about him I loved:

Q: What do Mark Wilson and the Rev. Billy Graham, Jr. have in common?

A: They're the only two men in America who can make a crowd of 80,000 in a football stadium stand on its feet and scream in unison, Jesus Christ!

And since I'm on the subject of NFL jokes, here's another, out-dated now, but which I never got around to posting when it was relevant (i.e., when the butt of the joke--pun intended--was still alive):

Q: If Aaron Hernandez manages to beat the rap, why can't he rejoin the Patriots at his old position?

A: Because since he's been in prison, he's been converted from a tight end to a wide receiver.
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08 May 2018 11:44

Flynn was indeed Rodgers backup.
The 15-1 season finale was against Detroit who did still get through as a wildcard. Had they won, they would have been the 5th seed over Atlanta (both ended on 10-6).
Jordy Nelson caught three of the 6 TDs.

(not sure why the Packers keep getting the Lions as the season finale, its over 50% of recent seasons now)
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08 May 2018 11:50

Oh and Flynn after bouncing round some came back to the Packers in 2013, and stabilized the QB3 (well starter as AR was injured, as was the original back-up Seneca Wallace)
His starts: tied with Vikings, lost big to the Lions, beat the Cowboys and lost to Steelers enough to get the Packers the division title and get him the back-up spot again for 2014.

(there was a significant group of Packers fans calling for him to be resigned when AR went down last year, but he was 2 years out of the pros by then)
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08 May 2018 12:07

Merckx index wrote:
Oh, I agree that Big Ben is being pretty small. I understand why. He doesn't know how much longer he has, but it could be several more years, and he doesn't want to get pushed out by his heir apparent.
Several more years? He looks like he's one big hit away from not getting up. He looks gimpy out there and gets drilled a lot after releasing the ball. Have you seen his injury history? Pretty extensive with 4 diagnosed grade 1 concussions (though he's played through a lot of the injuries).

http://sportsinjurypredictor.com/player/ben-roethlisberger/2639

The weird thing with Roethlisberger is just last summer he said retirement was an option after the 2017 season. And reading into his interview I would have guessed 2017 was it...but obviously not.

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/07/28/ben-roethlisberger-retirement-rumors-steelers-training-camp-2017-latrobe/stories/201707280132
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08 May 2018 12:30

Merckx index wrote:Speaking of Rodgers, wasn't Flynn his backup at GB before he went to Seattle? IIRC, that was the year after GB won the SB, they went 15-1

That was the year they basically collapsed in the playoffs to the Giants, who went on to win the Superbowl. It was pretty astounding how poor they played, especially on defense. But Rogers looked flat much of the game as well, and there are Packer fans who felt if he had played some in that last game of the season instead of Flynn, he would have had more momentum, instead of sitting two weeks before playing in the playoffs.
I know you're a long-time fan of the silver-and-black, Alpe, so here's a great joke involving that team and a QB who never really made it. I'm sure you remember Mark Wilson.

Ugh. Of course I remember him. He was the anti-Plunkett, and played like a poor man's Warren Moon. Good arm, but threw best between the 10 yard lines, or when games were out of reach (winning, or losing). The Raiders repeatedly tried to get Wilson to pan out, and repeatedly had Plunkett replace him, no matter how old Jim got, even at 39, when he was slow and beat up, and threw more picks than TDs, Plunkett still replaced, and outplayed Wilson for the most part.

I think of you as being polite and astute Merckx, so to hear these jokes from you are refreshing. :)
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08 May 2018 12:58

Flynn: I remember him going to Seattle touted as the next big thing, but wondering how his work in Green Bay got him that status. It turns out he wasn't the next big thing. I don't remember all of his stops, but I remember Oakland and New Orleans, plus the second tour with GB.

Even though Cassel has better numbers (two pretty solid seasons) he and Flynn seem like similar QBs. I think that Cassel recently signed so he's still around (maybe he's trying to play for all 32 teams! :)
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