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08 Feb 2018 11:31

on3m@n@rmy wrote:More on the Josh McDaniels situation backing out of the Colts HC job. Cowherd had these 4 thoughts on how Pats owner Bob Kraft sold Josh to flip back to the Patriots.
Kraft sold Josh by saying:
1. Colts have a crazy owner. I'm not.
2. Colts have a QB whose health is questionable. We have Brady.
3. Colts have a chaotic organization. Ours is stability.
4. Colts lack personnel to make playoffs. We will return to playoffs.

Besides an increase in wages and responsibilities that Kraft likely offered, there could be more. If Josh has kids, especially if they are in school, the stability the Pats job offers could be huge (not having to pull them out of school for a move to Indy now). Plus, Belichick is almost 70, so how many more years before Josh could step into a retiring-Belichick's job? That equals more potential for stability under Kraft than under a crazy Colts owner.


McDaniels doesn't seem to know what he wants. He was the front runner for the 49ers job last season as well as being interviewed by other teams until he pulled out of the running. The issue with the family came up last year so why did he throw his hat in the ring again this year ? It seems he never was going anywhere. If he has doubts why be interviewed at all and not a give a team that really wants him any idea about his uncertainty while other possibles get locked up by other teams ? Still the 49ers probably would have selected Shanahan anyway as they liked the package with Lynch as GM.
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08 Feb 2018 11:33

jmdirt wrote:
on3m@n@rmy wrote:
jmdirt wrote:Here's an interesting thought: a guy I work with is a Colts fan so he has been following Luck's situation closely and thinks that his career is over. He thinks that Cousins will be in Indy this year. Granted, I haven't followed Luck's situation really at all, but him never playing again hadn't crossed my mind. If that does happen (I hope not), I still don't see Cousins going there unless they hire a coach that he really wants to play for.

Wow. Well I hope Luck's career is not over. The only people who would really have some idea would be his trainers, doctors, and some team staff. But even some of those people may not have a real accurate feeling about his returning. I've seen some guys who you'd think were done, quietly do work on their own behind the scenes, return as starters after 9 months rehab and surprise many, including docs and coaches. I mean, even the docs, trainers, & coaches at best in a serious injury may have guesses about the final outcome, but none will know until the player hits the practice field, or in Luck's case tries to throw at some point. Such a high profile player like Luck performing rehab work without being noticed is unimaginable though.

I have not tried to follow and have heard nothing, but my question for your coworker is has Luck done any throwing yet?

I did a (very) little research, and your coworker's gut feel may be right if Luck is not throwing yet. Here's what I found out:
- Luck first injured shoulder Sept. 27, 2015. The injury was misunderstood, and he continued to play with it.
“I did not know it was his shoulder; I thought it was just his sternum or rib-related because of when I tapped him like that in the video that everybody saw afterward,” former Colts quarterback Matt Hasselbeck said. “I didn’t know, or I wouldn’t have done it. In that game, we were 0-2, and he brought us back, seriously, by himself. Throws the game winner; it was a heck of a throw. Basically it was like, ‘If you can make that throw, you’re fine.’ I did believe he was fine. I didn’t think it was an issue.”
- After that Sept 27 game Luck missed the following 2 games due to the shoulder.
- Luck returned to play four games before his 2015 season ended due to a lacerated kidney in Week 9.
- Luck re-injured his right shoulder by trying to make a tackle after throwing a pick in Week 2 of 2016 season.
[ LINK: http://www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/21743/andrew-lucks-injury-how-we-got-here-and-when-he-will-return ]

So he has been sidelined for more than a year! That is not good normally. But there is that possibility he could have returned at the end of the 2017 season but decided not to risk it. But like I said, if he is STILL not throwing... that would be bad, bad news, and not very comforting.

I really don't have any clue about Luck and/or Indy in general. But my colleague is a lifelong Colts fan, who is also fiends with Pagano's kid. He didn't pull the "insider connection" card this morning, but the way that he matter of factly said that Luck is done, at the very least gave me pause. I really hope that he is not done. We won't really know until summer I guess. Even if they make a QB move in free agency and/or draft a QB it could be viewed as insurance.


Luck's injuries will be hard to overcome. Not only will he have a shorter career, it's doubtful he will be back to what he was. Be interesting to see if the Colts draft a QB ! Retirement wouldn't surprise me.
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08 Feb 2018 15:49

If I were the Colts I would hire Jim Caldwell as head coach. His specialty is QBs and he comes with a winning record(NFL: 64–54 (.542)). He is also a known quantity in the organization.

And believe it or not, he is an excellent clock and game manager.
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10 Feb 2018 02:03

Well, he was their HC from 2019-2011, so they'd be familiar with him. I can't think I've ever heard anyone say a single negative thing about him personally, and most people seem to respect him. But if Jeff Fisher is Mr. 7-9, Caldwell may be Mr. 9-7.

I think the real issue though is that at 63 years of age, there aren't a lot of coaches that want to take that on. Jimmy Johnson said that Belicheck, Pete Carroll (high energy) are anomalies, and it's really a young man's game, with long hours and a lot of stress. It's just really hard to find a Sean McVey.

Having said all that, they could certainly hire someone a lot worse.

As to Luck, we will have to wait and see what the truth is on his injury. He may heal, or may be the next Chad Pennington. If he can throw though, and move okay, he may have to turn into a passer who releases a lot quicker than the past, and simply doesn't risk getting hit or sacked if at all possible. Or just takes a quick fall to the ground when it's close. Think: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning's last few years, etc. It can be done, and he could have a successful career at it. But if he's not completely healthy and strong, he likely can't extend plays the way he could, the way Ben Rothlesberger or Cam Newton can, let alone run like Cam still does (and Luck sometimes did in the past). And Luck is going to have to have an open, progressive mind about this. Just look at RG3. Again though, I'm not his doctor, I'm not a doctor at all. He may be back to 100% health come next season. I doubt the Colts will draft a QB though, as they have Brissett, and he played fairly well, with room to improve. Who knows though? They do have the third pick in the draft, it may tell us something about the team's faith in Luck's future.

In fact, it's the top story on NFL.com's 10 stories for next season to watch:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915618/article/ten-offseason-storylines-that-will-shape-the-2018-nfl-season

Garrapollo signed the biggest contract in NFL history, maybe. Ink not dry just yet, but it looks like it. With all SF's cap space, I won't be surprised to learn in 2018 his salary will top $40m in a front loaded contract like that.
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10 Feb 2018 22:55

Alpe d'Huez wrote:Well, he was their HC from 2019-2011, so they'd be familiar with him. I can't think I've ever heard anyone say a single negative thing about him personally, and most people seem to respect him. But if Jeff Fisher is Mr. 7-9, Caldwell may be Mr. 9-7.

I think the real issue though is that at 63 years of age, there aren't a lot of coaches that want to take that on. Jimmy Johnson said that Belicheck, Pete Carroll (high energy) are anomalies, and it's really a young man's game, with long hours and a lot of stress. It's just really hard to find a Sean McVey.

Having said all that, they could certainly hire someone a lot worse.

As to Luck, we will have to wait and see what the truth is on his injury. He may heal, or may be the next Chad Pennington. If he can throw though, and move okay, he may have to turn into a passer who releases a lot quicker than the past, and simply doesn't risk getting hit or sacked if at all possible. Or just takes a quick fall to the ground when it's close. Think: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning's last few years, etc. It can be done, and he could have a successful career at it. But if he's not completely healthy and strong, he likely can't extend plays the way he could, the way Ben Rothlesberger or Cam Newton can, let alone run like Cam still does (and Luck sometimes did in the past). And Luck is going to have to have an open, progressive mind about this. Just look at RG3. Again though, I'm not his doctor, I'm not a doctor at all. He may be back to 100% health come next season. I doubt the Colts will draft a QB though, as they have Brissett, and he played fairly well, with room to improve. Who knows though? They do have the third pick in the draft, it may tell us something about the team's faith in Luck's future.

In fact, it's the top story on NFL.com's 10 stories for next season to watch:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000915618/article/ten-offseason-storylines-that-will-shape-the-2018-nfl-season

Garrapollo signed the biggest contract in NFL history, maybe. Ink not dry just yet, but it looks like it. With all SF's cap space, I won't be surprised to learn in 2018 his salary will top $40m in a front loaded contract like that.


Jimmy's contract will be the new normal for the QB market if some people are to be believed. Rodgers will be paying attention as will Cousins and others, quite a few good ones coming off contract soon and some already free agents.

Forgot about Brissett at Indy. Patriots were loaded up with QBs and now it's looking dangerous for them if Brady gets hurt with Hoyer next up. I don't think Brissett will mind the move nor will Jimmy obviously but Bill B probably not so much !
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22 Feb 2018 18:28

Cousins: So if I was Kirk I would sign with AZ (if the offer I read is correct). I wouldn't want to play for CLE or NYJ because the owners are awful. DEN isn't a bad choice either, but the weather in AZ is much nicer! :)
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There have been some disturbing stories coming out of the NFL, but this is one of the worst, and certainly most unpredictable, I can recall:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-jonathan-martin-custody-following-alleged-threat-former-school-204356287.html

Anyone remember Jonathan Martin? He graduated from Stanford and was drafted as an OL by Miami, where he claimed he was bullied in the locker room by Richie Incognito and others. Incognito had issues of his own, and eventually was released or traded by the Dolphins. Jim Harbaugh, then coach of the 49ers and formerly of Stanford (I think while Martin was there?) took him and he played in SF for one season, but then basically flamed out.

I always thought of him as an intelligent guy who maybe lacked the killer instinct to make it in the NFL. But it seems he has another kind of killer instinct. He sent a very disturbing message that could hardly be more of a textbook profile of the next school shooter:

a screen grab of Martin’s verified Instagram account that shows the disturbing image of a gun, surrounded by bullets, with the caption, “When you’re a bully victim & a coward, your options are suicide, or revenge.”
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