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08 May 2018 20:41

I'm a Steeler fan, however, I've never really been a fan of Big Ben and the comments he's making make me like him even less. Rudolph may or may not turn out to be a good quality NFL quarterback, but it made perfect sense for the Steelers to draft him where they did. Heck Ben was talking about retiring only a year or so ago. I can't see him having more than between 1 and 3 years left.
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08 May 2018 23:20

Koronin wrote:I'm a Steeler fan, however, I've never really been a fan of Big Ben and the comments he's making make me like him even less. Rudolph may or may not turn out to be a good quality NFL quarterback, but it made perfect sense for the Steelers to draft him where they did. Heck Ben was talking about retiring only a year or so ago. I can't see him having more than between 1 and 3 years left.


I give he and Brady one more season probably, Manning the same.
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09 May 2018 01:21

Just what in the world was Big Ben expecting the Steelers to do regarding their QB position and backups when he hinted at retirement in January of 2017 (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/steelers-qb-ben-roethlisberger-hints-retirement-article-1.2954393), and then reaffirmed that notion again in July of 2017 at their training camp (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ben-roethlisberger-hints-at-steelers-camp-that-he-could-retire-after-2017-season/)??? Forget he ever said any of that, and then catch them with their pants down if he all of a sudden up and retires? It's one thing to hint at retirement at the end of the season when you're all banged up. Many players go through a process of evaluating whether they are willing to come back for more. It's another thing to say that again in July, a time when players should have already committed. By July I'd take retirement comments a little more seriously if I was the Steelers. And so they did! If Ben wants to retire, fine, retire. If he just wants to talk about maybe retiring, fine, talk. But he should not be pissy and a garbage teammate if they draft a QB. Meh, maybe Ben's had too many hits to the head to remember he made any comments about retiring.

I hope for the Browns and Baker's sake that Cleveland did not make a mistake drafting Baker. I'm afraid they may have though. After listening to Rex Ryan (Tyrod's former HC in Buffalo) today comment about Tyrod, he seems confident in Tyrod's ability to be the day-1 starter, and keep it. Interesting times ahead for sure.
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09 May 2018 12:27

Well, that is Rex you're talking about.

As to who retires. I'll be really surprised if Eli plays well this season. Last year it didn't matter who he was trying to throw to, he looked like he was slipping fairly quickly. The problem for the Giants is the contract is heavily favored in Eli's favor, with 2 years left on a 4-year $84m deal that has a no trade clause, and are big hits against their cap, cutting him would be a lot of dead money, and I don't think he'd be picked up by anyone right away. I agree this may be Ben's last year as well, in his case mostly due to injuries degrading his play. Brady and Brees I would guess could last another two seasons, same with Rivers. I also imagine this is Josh McCown's last season, whether he starts many games, or none. Jay Cutler hasn't announced he's retired, but I imagine he will.
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09 May 2018 12:54

I just read an interview with the 76ers PG last night. He is a Pen kid and was a Steelers fan until he met Ben. Ben was such a douche that the kid rooted for the Bengals for several years. Looking for link...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/76ers-player-explains-why-he-dumped-the-steelers-after-meeting-ben-roethlisberger/

Ingram in "stupid" jail for four games. I say stupid because a retired NFL guy here said "guys on PEDs don't get busted, stupid guys on PEDs get busted".
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09 May 2018 13:00

Some not so good news in the NFL: Mark Ingram suspended 4 games for a PED positive:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000931997/article/saints-rb-mark-ingram-suspended-four-games-for-peds

I'm sure Brees & co are just thrilled with this. Ingram had his best season last year with 1200 yds rushing & 58 receptions.

And Corey Liuget?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000922895/article/chargers-dt-corey-liuget-suspended-4-games-for-peds

I don't find this one too surprising:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bengals-lb-vontaze-burfict-suspended-four-games-for-ped-violation/

Burfict suspended again?...who would have thought. I remember this guy was out of control in that playoff game with Pittsburgh a couple of years back. Personal foul penalties, trying to start fights, cheap shots, etc.

This is a joke that the first time offense for PEDs is only 4 games when MLB's policy is 80 games; basically half of the season.

Que Sera Sera....
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09 May 2018 13:13

jmdirt wrote:
Ingram in "stupid" jail for four games. I say stupid because a retired NFL guy here said "guys on PEDs don't get busted, stupid guys on PEDs get busted".
I thought that was a famous line for cycling dopers? Lol. Go check the NFL PED suspension list for 2018 (year to date). I highlighted a few of the bigger names. Sadly, Mark Sanchez is on the list who's a free agent. Imagine some team hurting very badly for a back-up this preseason is interested in signing him; Oops...can't sign him because he's got to serve a 4 game suspension. Lol.
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09 May 2018 20:57

I don't really follow the details, having been really burnt out on all the doping in cycling, but my understanding is that MLB's testing is notably more strict than the NFL, not just the suspensions. I'm also pretty convinced PED use is way lower, and obviously way lower than it was a decade ago in MLB. The rest of the discussion probably belongs in The Clinic.

I analyzed the Raiders draft and they got some players who fell further than expected in the middle rounds. I'm still a little chaffed they took Kolton Miller at 15. PJ Hall was a stretch as well in the 2nd round. Brandon Parker was another T that made me wonder. Then came Arden Key, Maurice Hurst, and Azeem Vector who fell far below where projected, because of off field issues, especially Hurst. Here's where Gruden can maybe make the best of them. Let them be raucous on the field, embrace the Black Hole, just don't get in trouble that hurts the team. Can he do it?

Though he's arguably near the end of his career, I saw it as a positive sign when Derrick Johnson signed with the Raiders, in his words, because of Jon Gruden. He got offers from a few teams, but as soon as Oakland called, he was ready to sign.

As I look at this draft and off season and Gruden seems to believe in the old adage that Brock once said in so many words: Yes, you need a star QB and playmakers, but down to down, play to play, games are won and lost in the trenches. This entire draft, plus the singing of Johnson, was about structural reinforcement and depth on both sides of the line. And it's not going to cost the team a lot of cash. The only risk is if these guys don't play worth a darn, or some of the at risk guys turn into knuckleheads.
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20 May 2018 23:07

In a court hearing Reuben Foster's ex girlfriend admitted to lying about her domestic violence allegations and admits to doing the same thing with other boyfriends...........she also said that her ruptured eardrum was from a previous fight with another woman.......mmmmm .........as for Foster also allegedly throwing her dog across the room, well who knows, if only dogs could talk..........
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However, they are now allowed to stay in the locker room, which they couldn't do before. Or of course they can always stand with their fist raised a few had started to do towards the end of last year.
Here's the NFLPA's response: https://twitter.com/NFLPA/status/999325257403002881
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25 May 2018 00:30

This sounds like bad management to me, but I'm neither the target audience of the "owners" or the players, if that makes sense.

I agree that there are other ways to protest. Such as raising a fist, or turning your back on the flag, just for starters.

I did however find it interesting that Christopher Johnson, chairman of the Jets, said he'd pay any fines that protesting players incurred.

Here's some quotes from Johnson:
"I do not like imposing any club-specific rules, If somebody [on the Jets] takes a knee, that fine will be borne by the organization, by me, not the players. I never want to put restrictions on the speech of our players. Do I prefer that they stand? Of course. But I understand if they felt the need to protest.

"There are some big, complicated issues that we're all struggling with, and our players are on the front lines. I don't want to come down on them like a ton of bricks, and I won't. There will be no club fines or suspensions or any sort of repercussions. If the team gets fined, that's just something I'll have to bear."

"I know there's some discussion of keeping players off the field until after the anthem. I think that's a particularly bad idea, I just think that trying to forcibly get the players to shut up is a fantastically bad idea."

Johnson also released an additional statement via the team's official Twitter account, in which he reiterated the team's commitment to "strengthening our communities" and stated the team will "work closely with our players to constructively advance social justice issues that are important to us."


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-chairman-christopher-johnson-says-hell-pay-any-anthem-related-fines-for-jets-players/
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25 May 2018 02:02

IMO, the players need to move their discussion forward, but this is a stupid move on the part of the owners.
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25 May 2018 02:14

Alpe d'Huez wrote:This sounds like bad management to me, but I'm neither the target audience of the "owners" or the players, if that makes sense.

I agree that there are other ways to protest. Such as raising a fist, or turning your back on the flag, just for starters.

I did however find it interesting that Christopher Johnson, chairman of the Jets, said he'd pay any fines that protesting players incurred.

Here's some quotes from Johnson:
"I do not like imposing any club-specific rules, If somebody [on the Jets] takes a knee, that fine will be borne by the organization, by me, not the players. I never want to put restrictions on the speech of our players. Do I prefer that they stand? Of course. But I understand if they felt the need to protest.

"There are some big, complicated issues that we're all struggling with, and our players are on the front lines. I don't want to come down on them like a ton of bricks, and I won't. There will be no club fines or suspensions or any sort of repercussions. If the team gets fined, that's just something I'll have to bear."

"I know there's some discussion of keeping players off the field until after the anthem. I think that's a particularly bad idea, I just think that trying to forcibly get the players to shut up is a fantastically bad idea."

Johnson also released an additional statement via the team's official Twitter account, in which he reiterated the team's commitment to "strengthening our communities" and stated the team will "work closely with our players to constructively advance social justice issues that are important to us."


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jets-chairman-christopher-johnson-says-hell-pay-any-anthem-related-fines-for-jets-players/


This guy is much too smart for the NFL. Actually he is the sort of guy that should be in Goodell's job.........
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25 May 2018 12:31

Jets fans may know that he's done a good job of connecting to and supporting players after taking over the team form his older brother (Woody) last year. He is indeed well spoken and thoughtful, but also has a bit of a sense of humor. He admitted he wasn't the most patient guy, but when asked if that meant he'd be hands on with player or team decisions he said not one bit, "I'm not Jerry Jones." :lol:

Fans may also recall Johnson standing in arms with his players a few times last year.

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08 Jun 2018 04:04

Edelman using PEDs...is anyone even remotely surprised? He's even using the Lance Armstrong defense.
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08 Jun 2018 04:23

In other Clinic news, new documents that supposedly reveal Manning admitted to HGH use:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/al-jazeera-says-peyton-manning-was-source-confirming-claims-sports-doping-film-1116340

And though this is the wrong thread even for the sport, I'll just mention that Wellington Castillo, a major league catcher, recently tested positive for EPO. Figure that one out. Baseball doesn't require endurance, and particularly not for catchers, the one position that is played at the same spot the entire game.
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08 Jun 2018 06:23

jmdirt wrote:Edelman using PEDs...is anyone even remotely surprised? He's even using the Lance Armstrong defense.


Team Kraft or is it Craft ? Is it really any better than pro cycling ?
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08 Jun 2018 15:46

movingtarget wrote:
jmdirt wrote:Edelman using PEDs...is anyone even remotely surprised? He's even using the Lance Armstrong defense.


Team Kraft or is it Craft ? Is it really any better than pro cycling ?

That depends on how you define better. :D
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