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30 Apr 2018 23:13

Alpe d'Huez wrote:I imagine the Browns looked at Chubb and felt since they already had Garrett, who is just likely to come into his prime, they didn't need him. My only guess is that whatever offers they had for the #4 pick weren't enough to move. But still, to not take Fitzpatrick there was a head scratcher.

As to Mayfield, I imagine they are hoping he's the next Drew Brees. Granted, I didn't watch that much on him, but while I see solid accuracy in his short and mid throws, and I did see a strong arm that the numbers verify, I didn't see some of those one the last second decision money deep throws that Brees made a near career out of. It is wrong probably to compare him to Manziel because of some incidents (though I hinted at it), but seems more likely instead of being like Brees, Mayfield could actually end up being the next...Well, here, check this out from the NFL Combine a couple years back. This isn't, but could be the profile on Mayfield:
Strengths: is an excellent athlete with a thick muscular build. Has excellent mobility and continually evades the rush while keeping his eyes downfield. Has above average arm strength and flashes the ability to fit the ball into tight windows on short to intermediate routes. Team leader and fierce competitor.

Weaknesses: Does not possess adequate height and too many of his passes are knocked down at the line. Sloppy footwork prevents him from stepping into throws making him an erratic passer. Locks onto receivers and often telegraphs his throws. Struggles breaking down coverage and makes too many ill-advised throws.

But that's not Mayfield. You know who that is?

Tyrod Taylor.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/tyrod-taylor?id=2495240
They may be similar in physical size but I think that's about it. You're talking about "thee" #1 OA vs a 6th rd, 180th picked player in Taylor. Have you seen Mayfield's insane college stats? In 4 yrs (1 season with Texas Tech & 3 with the Sooners) - 14,320 yds, 129 TDs, 68% pct, 176 rating! (Taylor in 4 yrs with VT only threw for 7000 yds, 57% pct & 137 rating). Mayfield has a very strong arm and uncanny accuracy.

And Taylor hasn't been that impressive in his 3 starting seasons with the Bills either (8800 yds, 62%, 92.7 rating), nor winning much or they wouldn't have traded him away. Btw, Mayfield becomes the first walk-on to ever be drafted numeral uno:

http://www.bcsnn.com/big-xii/253-baker-mayfield-goes-from-walk-on-to-1-overall-draft-pick.html

I can't imagine Mayfield not at the helm at the beginning of season, or at least sometime early on, unless he performs very badly in preseason. If he does well in preseason, it would be hard to justify sitting the #1 OA pick, especially if Cleveland is stinking up the joint (nothing new there).

Same with Darnold & Allen. I can't see either one not getting the chance to compete for the starting job. The Jets just have currently on their roster Bridgewater & McCown, and Teddy B is a big uncertainty with that rebuilt knee. The Bills have McCarren & Peterman (are you kidding me?). Man...if Allen can't beat out these two stiffs then there's something wrong with his high draft pick.

The most perplexing situation I think is Chosen Rosen going to the Cardinals where injury-prone Sammy B and Glennon are on the roster. I can't figure out if Rosen was drafted to compete against Bradford for the starting job or if he's going to be the back-up and they'll just wait for Bradford to get injured again (like with Taylor, if Bradford was that good the Vikings wouldn't have traded him instead of going full steam for Kirk Cousins...no surprises there).
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30 Apr 2018 23:32

Nomad wrote:
Alpe d'Huez wrote:I imagine the Browns looked at Chubb and felt since they already had Garrett, who is just likely to come into his prime, they didn't need him. My only guess is that whatever offers they had for the #4 pick weren't enough to move. But still, to not take Fitzpatrick there was a head scratcher.

As to Mayfield, I imagine they are hoping he's the next Drew Brees. Granted, I didn't watch that much on him, but while I see solid accuracy in his short and mid throws, and I did see a strong arm that the numbers verify, I didn't see some of those one the last second decision money deep throws that Brees made a near career out of. It is wrong probably to compare him to Manziel because of some incidents (though I hinted at it), but seems more likely instead of being like Brees, Mayfield could actually end up being the next...Well, here, check this out from the NFL Combine a couple years back. This isn't, but could be the profile on Mayfield:
Strengths: is an excellent athlete with a thick muscular build. Has excellent mobility and continually evades the rush while keeping his eyes downfield. Has above average arm strength and flashes the ability to fit the ball into tight windows on short to intermediate routes. Team leader and fierce competitor.

Weaknesses: Does not possess adequate height and too many of his passes are knocked down at the line. Sloppy footwork prevents him from stepping into throws making him an erratic passer. Locks onto receivers and often telegraphs his throws. Struggles breaking down coverage and makes too many ill-advised throws.

But that's not Mayfield. You know who that is?

Tyrod Taylor.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/tyrod-taylor?id=2495240
They may be similar in physical size but I think that's about it. You're talking about "thee" #1 OA vs a 6th rd, 180th picked player in Taylor. Have you seen Mayfield's insane college stats? In 4 yrs (1 season with Texas Tech & 3 with the Sooners) - 14,320 yds, 129 TDs, 68% pct, 176 rating! (Taylor in 4 yrs with VT only threw for 7000 yds, 57% pct & 137 rating). Mayfield has a very strong arm and uncanny accuracy.

And Taylor hasn't been that impressive in his 3 starting seasons with the Bills either (8800 yds, 62%, 92.7 rating), nor winning much or they wouldn't have traded him away. Btw, Mayfield becomes the first walk-on to ever be drafted numeral uno:

http://www.bcsnn.com/big-xii/253-baker-mayfield-goes-from-walk-on-to-1-overall-draft-pick.html

I can't imagine Mayfield not at the helm at the beginning of season, or at least sometime early on, unless he performs very badly in preseason. If he does well in preseason, it would be hard to justify sitting the #1 OA pick, especially if Cleveland is stinking up the joint (nothing new there).

Same with Darnold & Allen. I can't see either one not getting the chance to compete for the starting job. The Jets just have currently on their roster Bridgewater & McCown, and Teddy B is a big uncertainty with that rebuilt knee. The Bills have McCarren & Peterman (are you kidding me?). Man...if Allen can't beat out these two stiffs then there's something wrong with his high draft pick.

The most perplexing situation I think is Chosen Rosen going to the Cardinals where injury-prone Sammy B and Glennon are on the roster. I can't figure out if Rosen was drafted to compete against Bradford for the starting job or if he's going to be the back-up and they'll just wait for Bradford to get injured again (like with Taylor, if Bradford was that good the Vikings wouldn't have traded him instead of going full steam for Kirk Cousins...no surprises there).



My guess for Rosen is he's supposed to start the season on the bench to watch and learn. Then go in when Bradford gets hurt like he always does.
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01 May 2018 00:15

And that couldn't be very long with Bradford's injury history.

Josh Allen will get a chance to compete for the starting job.This is their guy; they traded two of their 2nd round picks with TB to move up and snatch him. Let's get ready to rumble....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/29/brandon-beane-on-josh-allen-if-he-wins-starting-job-he-wins-it/
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01 May 2018 12:44

Rosen is much more pro-ready than Mahomes was, so Rosen is in better position to compete for the starting job. Therefore, I think Rosen & Bradford (ok, & Glennon also so as not to hurt his feelings) will compete. If that's the case, it will be interesting to see how Bradford handles that. Will Bradford whine about it, be a lousy teammate, or be a good teammate and mentor to Rosen no matter what?
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01 May 2018 15:08

Koronin wrote:The Steelers didn't draft any ILBs. They did sign 2 rookie free agent ILBs right after the draft ended though. They did draft 2 safeties. Maybe instead of playing a 3-4 they're going to play a 3-3-5?


For the majority of teams these days, Nickel is the base defence.
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01 May 2018 15:14

This is more confusing than playing Madden on my PSP.
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01 May 2018 20:13

Nomad wrote:They may be similar in physical size but I think that's about it. You're talking about "thee" #1 OA vs a 6th rd, 180th picked player in Taylor. Have you seen Mayfield's insane college stats? In 4 yrs (1 season with Texas Tech & 3 with the Sooners) - 14,320 yds, 129 TDs, 68% pct, 176 rating! (Taylor in 4 yrs with VT only threw for 7000 yds, 57% pct & 137 rating). Mayfield has a very strong arm and uncanny accuracy.

And Taylor hasn't been that impressive in his 3 starting seasons with the Bills either (8800 yds, 62%, 92.7 rating), nor winning much or they wouldn't have traded him away. Btw, Mayfield becomes the first walk-on to ever be drafted numeral uno:

http://www.bcsnn.com/big-xii/253-baker-mayfield-goes-from-walk-on-to-1-overall-draft-pick.html

I can't imagine Mayfield not at the helm at the beginning of season, or at least sometime early on, unless he performs very badly in preseason. If he does well in preseason, it would be hard to justify sitting the #1 OA pick, especially if Cleveland is stinking up the joint (nothing new there).


Excellent analysis.
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01 May 2018 20:59

Catwhoorg wrote:
Koronin wrote:The Steelers didn't draft any ILBs. They did sign 2 rookie free agent ILBs right after the draft ended though. They did draft 2 safeties. Maybe instead of playing a 3-4 they're going to play a 3-3-5?


For the majority of teams these days, Nickel is the base defence.


True, although it's just a bit of a surprise for many of us Steeler fans to see them actually changing to one.
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01 May 2018 21:01

There are two questions with Mayfield starting week 1.

• If the Browns were so certain of that, why even waste any time, or a 3rd round pick, getting Taylor?

Unless...

• How is Mayfield going to react when the Browns start the season 2-7 with him starting?

Then can then bench Mayfield, hope it didn't damage his confidence too badly, and have a solid backup in Taylor who can hopefully salvage the season at least a little while Baker now learns? I don't know the historical success in that.

Makes more sense to me for Mayfield to watch Taylor struggle, and learn form other teammates on what it's like to be a professional, as I'm not so sure he gets that just yet. Then, after a handful of games, toss him to the wolves. We'll see though.

Then again, this is the Browns we're talking about. No clue what their plans actually are.

Agree that it's a matter of time before Bradford gets hurt, sad to say. Then Rosen plays. Sam's always been a good sport, so I can't imagine him getting bitter about anything. Glennon will never start (with success) in the NFL.

Darnold's in a similar situation in NY, with McCown, then Bridgewater. I just think he needs more time than Rosen, maybe Mayfield too. But the clock has to be ticking fast on McCown, maybe Teddy too.

As to Allen, he's the guy most in the drivers seat. I don't know how accurate he is, or how quick he'll adapt to the speed of the NFL or move through his reads, but as soon as he's really ready, he'll be their starter. McCarran has shown promise, but probably not much more than Peterman (or Glennon) for that matter.

The one thing I don't get though is what's the logic for rushing a guy into the starting position just because you drafted him high? What if he's not ready? Have him play anyway because you gave up a lot to get him? It's a real mixed bag looking back who actually stepped right into playing well, and who didn't. Who benefited from sitting some, versus who didn't. I think in each case you have to approach and evaluate each player on a case by case basis.
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01 May 2018 22:23

The Browns weren't so certain of drafting a QB when they signed Taylor back in March - the prediction was that they were going to select Chubb with the 1st OA and either Barkly or Ward with the 4th. Cleveland got real interested in Mayfield late in the game. The same thing can be said about the Cardinals: Why did they sign Sammy B to a 2 year *40 million* dollar contract (10 mil signing bonus!) and turnaround and draft Chosen Rosen with the 10th OA? Now Wilks is saying Rosen will get a chance to compete for the starting job:

https://cardswire.usatoday.com/2018/04/26/steve-wilks-leaves-door-open-for-josh-rosen-to-be-starting-qb/

And if Mayfield beats out Taylor in preseason how on Earth would you know if Cleveland would be 2-7? Conversely, if Taylor starts and they are 2-7 at that point there would be riots in the streets for Jackson to change QBs...you know how things work in Cleveland. Lol. And now we're learning that if Cleveland passed on Mayfield, NE was willing to trade the house away to the Giants for that 2nd pick to get him:

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la-sp-patriots-mayfield-draft-20180501-story.html

Rushing a high-drafted QB into the starting role is more about, IMO, who they're competing against or backing up, and whether or not the franchise is winning. Last year with the top three QB picks; Trubisky (2nd), Mahomes (10th) & Watson (12th), only Mahomes didn't see any action until a meaningless season ending game against the Broncos (Trubisky replaced Glennon at week 6 when the Bears were struggling at 1-4 and Watson supplanted Savage at halftime of the season opener). If the team is struggling there's no way an owner can justify having a high-drafted & highly paid rookie QB sit the bench - the fans simply won't put up with that...nothing new there.
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02 May 2018 01:44

Where did you get that info on Chubb going #1? Every mock draft I saw, and I looked at a lot, from CBS to BR, to Walter Football, and many more, had them taking at QB at #1, usually Darnold, sometimes Allen, or maybe Barkley. They may have gotten into Mayfield late, that seems obvious, but if there was any indication it was not over another QB, I'd like to know the source.

As to Taylor, Hue Jackson has said that he's without a doubt their starter. But then again, how many coaches have said just that, and changed their mind and acted like nothing was ever said? So I wouldn't be at all surprised if Mayfield isn't starting within a handful of games, though week #1 seems a stretch.

No, I don't know the Browns will start 2-7, that's a hypothetical because they usually suck, or are good at finding ways to lose. So 2-7 seems plausible. But I was giving a hypothetical.

As to the reason to start a rookie being because the fans demand it because the team isn't playing well, I can't imagine any serious coach worth his salary doing that. Imagine if Bill Belicheck made coaching decisions on what fans want. Recall last year after week #1's bad loss to KC some very vocal fans saying Brady should be benched? This is almost exactly what the Browns did last year with DeShone Kizer and after having the lowest QBR through most of the season, he was dumped by the team and I can't see him every starting another NFL game. Now I agree that Mayfield has WAY more potential than Kizer ever did. But it's food for thought.

However, I do agree you have to look at who you actually have on your roster at any given moment, and who can give the best performance now, and into the future, regardless of who that player was. Some teams have found that in vets (Doug Williams, Jim Plunkett), others in surprising rookies or untested players (Russell Wilson, Tom Brady).
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02 May 2018 07:01

Here's one source: "Sportingnews:"

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-draft-browns-interested-in-pairing-bradley-chubb-with-myles-garrett/dmf22kdgx5ih16ln2hi0i52bv

> "The Browns are exploring the possibility of selecting NC State defensive end Bradley Chubb with the first-overall pick to pair him with last year's top pick — Myles Garrett."

Of course Jackson has to say that Taylor is the starter - Mayfield hasn't even played a preseason game yet. I would think though that Mayfield would have to perform awful - much like Goff did last year in preseason - to not get the starting nod on opening day. Remember it's Cleveland were talking about here.

Your NE analogy with Brady losing last year's opener is nonsensical. After that loss NE didn't lose another road game going 13-3 and onto the SB! Plus this is a team that has gone to the SB 3 out of the last 4 yrs winning twice with the GOAT at the helm. So, don't insult your own intelligence Alpe...you know what I'm talking about. It's the two dozen plus teams that aren't winning, or not winning good enough in the eyes of the owners.

Look at the Vikings: got hammered by the Eagles in the NFC Championship at home. Keenum & Bradford gone. The Bills make the playoffs for the first time in 18 yrs and lose to Jacksonville in the 1st round. Taylor gone. KC loses a close one at home to the Titans (22-21) in the 1st round. Smith gone (with still a yr left on his contract). And he was coming off a season in which he set career-highs in passing yards, touchdowns and passer rating. But see Smith can't get the job done with a 1-4 postseason record and being surrounded with pretty good talent there. And yes, the fans were getting restless in KC screaming for a QB change. The only paradox to this is that SB winning QBs seem to get a free pass when the team isn't winning or advancing very far in the playoffs, e.g, Eli, Flacco, Brees, Big Ben.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/11/nfl-chiefs-bills-alex-smith-patrick-mahomes-andy-reid
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02 May 2018 12:33

Nomad wrote:Remember it's Cleveland were talking about here.

That's what makes a lot of this a real crap shoot. Though I would think if Mayfield outplays Taylor at all in camp and the preseason, and Jackson believes the OL can protect him at least some, and they can run some, Mayfield will start if not from week 1, pretty close to it. Logic would think that would happen. But with Cleveland? Who knows?

Edit: I won't be surprised if Cleveland tries what the Rams did with Goff, if the team still loses. Sit Mayfield for a while, then play him in lower pressure situations, even if he struggles. Then can Jackson at year's end, and hire someone younger, and more OC/QB savvy, someone like John DeFilippo, maybe Josh McDaniels, or possibly Todd Downing (depending on how he's grown since leaving Oakland). You get the idea. Then again, this is the Browns we're talking about...

I'm much more interested in what happens in Buffalo. Allen needs to develop, and is a wildcard, but he has a fantastic arm, threw great at the Combine, the competition for the job there is questionable, the team is more solid overall, and I think he really fits the city, and franchise. I see some potentially exciting times ahead for the Bills.

Rosen is going to have a tougher time in Arizona, and Darnold may sit all year in NYJ. Same with Jackson in Balt, which isn't a bad thing for him, really.
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02 May 2018 16:37

Regarding that SportingNews article saying Browns were considering Chubb at #1 overall, I would not be one bit surprised if the Browns (doing their due diligence) did consider Chubb at #1, but that does not mean it makes good sense to follow through and make Chubb the #1 overall draft pick. I'm not saying the article is bogus. Just that it was extremely unlikely the Browns would make that choice.
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02 May 2018 17:07

What if Jackson is the most successful QB out of the draft and leads BAL to a great season?

Alpe, Joshy isn't going anywhere. :lol:
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03 May 2018 06:46

Alpe d'Huez wrote:
Nomad wrote:Remember it's Cleveland were talking about here.

That's what makes a lot of this a real crap shoot. Though I would think if Mayfield outplays Taylor at all in camp and the preseason, and Jackson believes the OL can protect him at least some, and they can run some, Mayfield will start if not from week 1, pretty close to it. Logic would think that would happen. But with Cleveland? Who knows?

Edit: I won't be surprised if Cleveland tries what the Rams did with Goff, if the team still loses. Sit Mayfield for a while, then play him in lower pressure situations, even if he struggles. Then can Jackson at year's end, and hire someone younger, and more OC/QB savvy, someone like John DeFilippo, maybe Josh McDaniels, or possibly Todd Downing (depending on how he's grown since leaving Oakland). You get the idea. Then again, this is the Browns we're talking about...
The deal with Goff his rookie season was that he was terrible in preseason and entered the regular season as the #3 guy behind Keenum & Sean Mannion! However, Fisher started him in week #11 and he never looked back from that point:

https://deadspin.com/jared-goff-looks-kinda-butt-1786108221

Let's take a look at the QBs drafted #1 OA in the last 20 yrs:

2016 Goff - started week #11
2015 Winston - started season opener
2012 Luck - started season opener
2011 Newton - started season opener
2010 Bradford - started season opener
2009 Stafford - started season opener
2007 Russell - started week #13 (held out in preseason over contract)
2005 Smith - started week #3
2004 E. Manning - started week #11
2003 Palmer - DNP (sat entire rookie season)
2002 David Carr - started season opener
2001 Vick - started week #9
1999 Couch - started week #2
1998 P. Manning - started season opener

Just an opinion Alpe, but going with the trend I would think that if Mayfield performs pretty good in preseason (grasp of the offense, good TD to Int rate, making some plays, etc.) he'd be the starter for the season opener.
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03 May 2018 12:26

That's quite possible, I just don't know why, if they were confident enough with that position, that they'd even trade to get Taylor, why not just sign someone off the wire, like one of the Minnesota QBs?

It's guesswork as to how well a rookie QB is going to pan out starting right away, and really needs to be analyzed on a person to person basis, then look at the team. David Carr is a perfect example of someone who was on a terrible team with no OL, and it basically ruined his career, or any potential he had, starting like that. Same with Couch. Similar maybe was Geno Smith, J.P. Losman and Joey Harrington. Other QBs sure could have learned more. Rick Mirer is a curious example, he needed to learn, but it's also been said that the pressure put on him by Dennis Erickson did more damage to his psyche than that. Alex Smith is another guy who struggled early, but went through numerous OCs and coaches at an absurd rate. But there are also other QBs who had real potential, sat for a bit, and it didn't matter at all. JaMarcus Russell but he was a head case. Brady Quinn comes to mind, but you could create a longer list for sure.

One could also argue some of these guys never would have been above a very average starter, no matter how quick they started, or how long they sat. Losman comes to mind, first round pick, sat a bit, didn't matter, never had it. EJ Manuel is another high draft pick that's now and forever will be a backup.

But some searching shows that having a guy sit all season, or more than one season, and pan out, is a rarity. Sure, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady did it, both Eli and Rivers I think sat a lot. But the only guy I could come across in recent years that did that was Colin Kaepernick, whose career got derailed for other reasons. So I would think at the very least the top 4 QBs taken in this draft: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen and Rosen will start at some point this coming season. I'm just always cautious of tossing them in there when they are not ready. Then having their confidence damaged if the team sucks. So, whether these guys start at week 1, remains to be seen. I'm just saying with Cleveland I don't trust them as a franchise, and don't have that much faith in Hue Jackson.

So, causation is essentially impossible to prove one way or another here I guess, when the optimum time is to sit and start a QB for the future. Maybe some sabermetric wizard can prove me wrong.

JMDirt - Which Josh were you referring to?
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03 May 2018 12:32

Alpe d'Huez wrote:That's quite possible, I just don't know why, if they were confident enough with that position, that they'd even trade to get Taylor, why not just sign someone off the wire, like one of the Minnesota QBs?

It's guesswork as to how well a rookie QB is going to pan out starting right away, and really needs to be analyzed on a person to person basis, then look at the team. David Carr is a perfect example of someone who was on a terrible team with no OL, and it basically ruined his career, or any potential he had, starting like that. Same with Couch. Similar maybe was Geno Smith, J.P. Losman and Joey Harrington. Other QBs sure could have learned more. Rick Mirer is a curious example, he needed to learn, but it's also been said that the pressure put on him by Dennis Erickson did more damage to his psyche than that. Alex Smith is another guy who struggled early, but went through numerous OCs and coaches at an absurd rate. But there are also other QBs who had real potential, sat for a bit, and it didn't matter at all. JaMarcus Russell but he was a head case. Brady Quinn comes to mind, but you could create a longer list for sure.

One could also argue some of these guys never would have been above a very average starter, no matter how quick they started, or how long they sat. Losman comes to mind, first round pick, sat a bit, didn't matter, never had it. EJ Manuel is another high draft pick that's now and forever will be a backup.

But some searching shows that having a guy sit all season, or more than one season, and pan out, is a rarity. Sure, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady did it, both Eli and Rivers I think sat a lot. But the only guy I could come across in recent years that did that was Colin Kaepernick, whose career got derailed for other reasons. So I would think at the very least the top 4 QBs taken in this draft: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen and Rosen will start at some point this coming season. I'm just always cautious of tossing them in there when they are not ready. Then having their confidence damaged if the team sucks. So, whether these guys start at week 1, remains to be seen. I'm just saying with Cleveland I don't trust them as a franchise, and don't have that much faith in Hue Jackson.

So, causation is essentially impossible to prove one way or another here I guess, when the optimum time is to sit and start a QB for the future. Maybe some sabermetric wizard can prove me wrong.

JMDirt - Which Josh were you referring to?

"Edit: I won't be surprised if Cleveland tries what the Rams did with Goff, if the team still loses. Sit Mayfield for a while, then play him in lower pressure situations, even if he struggles. Then can Jackson at year's end, and hire someone younger, and more OC/QB savvy, someone like John DeFilippo, maybe Josh McDaniels, or possibly Todd Downing (depending on how he's grown since leaving Oakland). You get the idea. Then again, this is the Browns we're talking about..."
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03 May 2018 14:25

The Browns have been bad for so long I just hope one of their QBs (Tyrod or Baker) are a huge success, Joshy or not.

Chapeau to the Steelers for converting Shazier's 2018 salary to a bonus, meaning he gets it all immediately without any cap space benefit to the team.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2774040-ryan-shazier-has-826m-of-steelers-salary-converted-into-signing-bonus
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03 May 2018 14:30

Ha! I thought you were referring to Josh Allen or Josh Rosen!

I think it's pretty likely McDaniels is waiting for Belicheck to hand him the keys to the kingdom. However, I don't know how long he's really going to sit around and wait for that. Also, let's just pretend that in 2020 both Brady and Belicheck call it quits, just how good are the Pats going to be in 2021? Is that really the team McDaniels wants to coach?

Presuming the Eagles play at all well again, especially on offense, DeFilippo will be hot property to coach a team with a young QB. If Cleveland finishes something like 5-11 (very possible), I could see them canning Jackson to get him. Wait, this is Cleveland we're talking about, so who knows what they really do.

Interesting article on CBS how the Bills could get the most out of Josh Allen, and a critique of him:

My concerns with Allen are as follows:

• Lack of consistent accuracy
• Habitually leaving the pocket at the first sign of pressure
• Tendency to "overextend" plays while improvising, frequently throwing off-balance into precarious situations

I don't think the first two elements of Allen's game can be "coached out of him" at the level NFL. The last element could be, but it won't be easy and would likely eliminate some of the positive plays he makes outside the pocket due to his impressive athleticism and otherworldly arm.

The first one was actually coached out of Aaron Rodgers for the most part. Then again, he sat nearly three seasons, only seeing some garbage time. Trying hard to think of someone who really improved their accuracy and eliminated wild throws over time.

The second one was never coached out of Colin Kaepernick or Robert Griffin. And coaches tried hard to do it. I'm struggling to think of a QB that was able to do this. Donovan McNabb maybe? He ran more when young, and later turned that into a skill of extending plays without taking off to much, or wildly escaping the pocket the way Kaep did. Andrew Luck used to take off some, and I imagine he will run a lot less now, but he always was capable of sitting in the pocket. Steve Young was a lot like that too. Anyone else? Not many.
For Allen to lead a successful team in western New York for the next decade, the Bills should not waste time and energy trying to fix his faults but -- ready? -- fully embrace them while highlighting his strengths, most namely his rocket arm and athletic talents at 6-foot-5 and nearly 240 pounds. Essentially, Buffalo needs to be content with a boom-or-bust passing attack.

Bills GM Brandon Beane and head coach Sean McDermott were both in Carolina when the Panthers did exactly that with Cam Newton.

I actually don't think this is a bad idea. But he could also actually turn into a more mobile version of Jay Cutler in that process. Jay actually may be more accurate. Is that bad? Good?

I think it may be easier to get a young QB to learn to pull the trigger after 2-3 reads than expect him to see the field the way someone like Tom Brady does, or analyze lanes and throw darts into tight coverage (Mayfield may make a career of this). I could see Allen being pushed by coaches into quick reads, having a parameter for when to risk the throw (man coverage, mismatches, zones, etc), then taking off if it doesn't work. Then, if hit too often, start tossing the ball away more. But if they are successful at stretching the field, and he's definitely got the arm to do it, just a few on-the-money bombs could scare teams enough to really open things up for their offense to where such a boom-or-bust passing attack to win games. I mean, when you have an arm like he does, and some of his deep, deep out passes at the Combine were right on the money, you have to think the Bills will try to make the best of this.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/heres-a-plan-for-the-bills-to-get-the-most-out-of-josh-allen-and-it-involves-cam-newton/
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