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08 Oct 2018 10:09

Browns win again!!!
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08 Oct 2018 11:59

Yes indeed!...Browns win!...taking down the Ravens nonetheless. Victory speech in the Browns's locker room:

https://youtu.be/jZTglZXHc5M

And KC dismantles the Jags...5-0! The Gunslinger has really lit it up - Mahomes' stats thru five games:

1,513 yds passing, 63.6 completion %, 14 TDs/2 Int and 66 yds rushing & 2 TDs.

What a dimension he adds to that offense. Defenses have got to respect that cannon of his and if any pass rush is established, he's too athletic escaping from the pocket and making things happen downfield. A real playmaker! I think if KC can stay relatively injury free and improve on defense - watch out, this could be the team of the conference. Big showdown coming up with NE on SNF.
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08 Oct 2018 17:00

SEA lost, but I hope that the level of play that I saw on Sunday is them moving forward.
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08 Oct 2018 22:24

I think at this point KC is the top team in the league. However, next Sunday they play at a well rested New England, which should be interesting. Not trying to be a killjoy, but it's also only October.

Awesome to see the Browns actually take out the Ravens.
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09 Oct 2018 02:21

Alpe d'Huez wrote:I think at this point KC is the top team in the league. However, next Sunday they play at a well rested New England, which should be interesting. Not trying to be a killjoy, but it's also only October.

Awesome to see the Browns actually take out the Ravens.

Definitely, the Rams D seems to have gone a bit awol in the past two weeks (although against the Vikings you'd expect, but not against seattle), while KC's has stood up nicely.
Really interested to see how they go against NE too.

Brees having a good night out!
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12 Oct 2018 12:56

Barkley is an absolute stud, but this workload will lead to a short career. Eli looks horrible. Tanney? I'm with their decision to get Barkley, but why didn't they also get a QB either in the draft or off of the trade board?

How about Kaep? I say that t-n-c, but at the same time would love to see him go into NY, of all places, and go big. Realistically though, his time away has been too long so it would take him some time on a practice squad to get ready.
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12 Oct 2018 14:03

jmdirt wrote:Barkley is an absolute stud, but this workload will lead to a short career. Eli looks horrible. Tanney? I'm with their decision to get Barkley, but why didn't they also get a QB either in the draft or off of the trade board?

How about Kaep? I say that t-n-c, but at the same time would love to see him go into NY, of all places, and go big. Realistically though, his time away has been too long so it would take him some time on a practice squad to get ready.


Eli looked horrible last year. They needed to draft a QB at least. Hindsight is easy but Kaep will regret not taking the Denver offer for less money in 2016. With all of the trouble they have had with QBs he might still be there or he also may have been another of their casualties. It will take a brave GM to sign him. He probably would have had the job at Miami without the Castro comments and the Ravens option was ruined by his girlfriend and a fan backlash. Almost been out now for one and a half seasons.
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12 Oct 2018 14:26

movingtarget wrote:
Eli looked horrible last year. They needed to draft a QB at least. Hindsight is easy but Kaep will regret not taking the Denver offer for less money in 2016. With all of the trouble they have had with QBs he might still be there or he also may have been another of their casualties. It will take a brave GM to sign him. He probably would have had the job at Miami without the Castro comments and the Ravens option was ruined by his girlfriend and a fan backlash. Almost been out now for one and a half seasons.
I've mentioned this before, but the notion that his girlfriend played any role in the decision (other than useful pretext after the fact) is risible.
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12 Oct 2018 14:33

djpbaltimore wrote:
movingtarget wrote:
Eli looked horrible last year. They needed to draft a QB at least. Hindsight is easy but Kaep will regret not taking the Denver offer for less money in 2016. With all of the trouble they have had with QBs he might still be there or he also may have been another of their casualties. It will take a brave GM to sign him. He probably would have had the job at Miami without the Castro comments and the Ravens option was ruined by his girlfriend and a fan backlash. Almost been out now for one and a half seasons.
I've mentioned this before, but the notion that his girlfriend played any role in the decision (other than useful pretext after the fact) is risible.


Maybe but it certainly added fuel to a fire that was already burning quite nicely.........
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12 Oct 2018 18:43

djpbaltimore wrote:
movingtarget wrote:
Eli looked horrible last year. They needed to draft a QB at least. Hindsight is easy but Kaep will regret not taking the Denver offer for less money in 2016. With all of the trouble they have had with QBs he might still be there or he also may have been another of their casualties. It will take a brave GM to sign him. He probably would have had the job at Miami without the Castro comments and the Ravens option was ruined by his girlfriend and a fan backlash. Almost been out now for one and a half seasons.
I've mentioned this before, but the notion that his girlfriend played any role in the decision (other than useful pretext after the fact) is risible.

IMO, they were 50/50 about him so his gf posting a charged illustration just pushed it past the line for them. Risible maybe, but if you own a team, aren't too sure if you want to take on baggage, and then see that...

Risible? Dang man, you must be older than me! :)
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13 Oct 2018 14:35

I'm waiting for Alpe to post his picks so I can agree, but until then:

ATL, IND, AR, OAK MUST win (the 'must win game' is overstated I know, but these teams need to get going).

I'll take SEA over OAK across the pond, and KC over NE in the night cap.
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13 Oct 2018 15:21

That's interesting about Kaep even being snubbed in a history photo by the 49ers and their "apology". But I agree with you guys, he'd need to get signed as a backup, and he would be a lightening rod, a distraction. Granted, it's a distraction you know is coming, but it may be so much so that it overcomes focus on the team. This is why, if he plays anywhere, it will be in the forthcoming AAF, even though it looks fairly small, or XFL in 2019, which looks bigger...if it happens.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/05/30/is-the-alliance-of-american-football-really-an-option-for-colin-kaepernick/

In the past couple months Skip Bayless has been ripping on Kirk Cousins, calling him the most overpaid player in the NFL. Really? Skip complains that Kirk "pads his stats", but with some searching I could only find one game where his numbers were askew to the positive, a wildcard playoff loss to the Packers two seasons back, where they were continually behind and threw all the time when the Packers played fairly loose, but mostly kept them out of the end zone. Maybe Skip's been sitting in his own overpaid ESPN office for too long, because the obvious most overpaid player in the NFL over the past several years is Eli Manning, who is in year 3 of a 4 year $84m deal, making $22m this year, and $23 next year. In fact, his career earnings will total over $250m when he's done. And how well has Eli played? Well, he did win two SB MVP awards...in games where the Giant defense held Tom Brady and the Patriots to 17, and 14 points. His numbers in both games were marginally lower than Tom Brady's even. But let's look at his record since then, the last six seasons, a total of 40 wins, and 54 losses. He's thrown 134 TD's, to 88 Interceptions. His passer rating has been between 69 and 93.

In that same time frame, Cousins has been 29-27-1 as a starter. He has thrown 110 TD's, and just 57 Ints (less action his first 3 seasons). His passer rating was a low of 58 in his second season, but in the last four years has been between 93, and 105.1, which happens to be this season. Cousins also throws the ball deeper down the field,with more pass attempts, and more completions over 20 and over 40 yards. Cousins currently makes $24m a year, which rises to $27 next season, and $29 in 2020. He made $23m a year his last two seasons in Washington, because they refused to sign him, or trade him, and just franchise tagged him.

Finally, this season Cousins ranks 7th in passer rating (105.1) and QBR 77.1.
Eli ranks 20th in passer rating (90.9), and 25th in QBR at 40.7.

Arguably the most important QBR stat is what ESPN calls "points added", which is a number showing what was expected of the QB, and how much better he performed than that, which is adjusted each week before each game. This is somewhat akin to WAR in MLB sabermetrics. Cousins is at 17.1, fourth in the NFL, while Eli is at -5.6, yes, minus 5.6, which is 27th.

Picks in a moment.
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13 Oct 2018 15:37

JMDirt - That's great you are waiting for my picks, but some weeks I've been wildly off!

TB@ATL - Despite their injuries, and this could be all offense, I like the Falcons.
CAR@WAS - I only went with the more consistent team.
SEA@OAK - Seattle coming off one of their best games, and I see a no-Earl Thomas letdown.
IND@NYJ - Home team.
ARI@MIN - Vikings still one of the league's best. This will not be like the Vikings Bills game.
PIT@CIN - Steelers must win, and Cincy while playing surprisingly well, and at home, I think loses.
LAC@CLE - I've said before the Chargers are the 3rd best team in the AFC (Chiefs, Pats). This game could be tough, low scoring. Bosa not back yet though.
BUF@HOU - Home team, while inconsistent, and sketchy OL, Texans pull it together.
CHI@MIA - Fins fall continues against stellar defense of Bears.
LAR@DEN - Rams D didn't look great last week, but Broncos have looked worse.
BAL@TEN - Ravens have tools, especially on D, but Titans are solid across the board, if not superb, enough to win at home.
JAX@DAL - Bumpy days for the Cowboys. But at home, this should be close. Fournette still out for Jacksonville, so this was a tough pick for me.
KC@NE - Here's the game to watch, obviously. Erase last year's KC win, erase all of this year's games. To me this game will look a lot like last year's Patriots win over the Texans 36-33, when Watson was red hot, but Brady found a way to keep up, and win in the 4th quarter when it mattered most. While everyone talks about how Belicheck has plans to stop young QBs, I don't fully buy it here. Why? Because Mahomes has been very adaptive in games, and because of Andy Reid, while only 1-5 against Belicheck, has always played him well, is nearly as saavy, inventive, and one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL. Maybe top 2 (Sean Payton? Pete Carroll? Mike Tomlin?) In fact, Belicheck was heaping praise on him early this week. This score could easily be flipped, the Chiefs winning a 36-33 game.

SF@GB - Bethard played as good if not better than expected, but Rogers is obviously still hurting. The bye week can't come fast enough for him. Luckily, it's after this game. Then, they return to face the Rams, in LA.
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Alpe d'Huez wrote:JMDirt - That's great you are waiting for my picks, but some weeks I've been wildly off!

TB@ATL - Despite their injuries, and this could be all offense, I like the Falcons.
CAR@WAS - I only went with the more consistent team.
SEA@OAK - Seattle coming off one of their best games, and I see a no-Earl Thomas letdown.
IND@NYJ - Home team.
ARI@MIN - Vikings still one of the league's best. This will not be like the Vikings Bills game.
PIT@CIN - Steelers must win, and Cincy while playing surprisingly well, and at home, I think loses.
LAC@CLE - I've said before the Chargers are the 3rd best team in the AFC (Chiefs, Pats). This game could be tough, low scoring. Bosa not back yet though.
BUF@HOU - Home team, while inconsistent, and sketchy OL, Texans pull it together.
CHI@MIA - Fins fall continues against stellar defense of Bears.
LAR@DEN - Rams D didn't look great last week, but Broncos have looked worse.
BAL@TEN - Ravens have tools, especially on D, but Titans are solid across the board, if not superb, enough to win at home.
JAX@DAL - Bumpy days for the Cowboys. But at home, this should be close. Fournette still out for Jacksonville, so this was a tough pick for me.
KC@NE - Here's the game to watch, obviously. Erase last year's KC win, erase all of this year's games. To me this game will look a lot like last year's Patriots win over the Texans 36-33, when Watson was red hot, but Brady found a way to keep up, and win in the 4th quarter when it mattered most. While everyone talks about how Belicheck has plans to stop young QBs, I don't fully buy it here. Why? Because Mahomes has been very adaptive in games, and because of Andy Reid, while only 1-5 against Belicheck, has always played him well, is nearly as saavy, inventive, and one of the top 5 coaches in the NFL. Maybe top 2 (Sean Payton? Pete Carroll? Mike Tomlin?) In fact, Belicheck was heaping praise on him early this week. This score could easily be flipped, the Chiefs winning a 36-33 game.

SF@GB - Bethard played as good if not better than expected, but Rogers is obviously still hurting. The bye week can't come fast enough for him. Luckily, it's after this game. Then, they return to face the Rams, in LA.

...and I'm always 100%! :rolleyes: :lol:
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14 Oct 2018 14:56

Well, let's go out on a limb there JMD. :)

Not sure about my team Seattle, if it comes down to it kicker Sebas is iffy. So I have no warm fuzzy feelings in the kicking game. Plus Seattle's special team kickoff coverage is awful giving opponents too good starting field position. But no Earl Thomas, no problem. I'll take Seattle. ;)

The real interesting games to me are KC @ NE, LAC @ CLE, and LAR @ DEN. As good as KC is is offensively, I'll go with home team NE. And, you know, historically bad results in September for NE, well, Sept is history.

My upset picks for this week are CLE over Chargers, and Denver over Rams. 100% correct right?
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15 Oct 2018 00:20

on3m@n@rmy wrote:My upset picks for this week are CLE over Chargers, and Denver over Rams. 100% correct right?
Way off on Cleveland (I probably would have picked them also) but pretty darn close on the Broncos (I was anticipating an upset...dang). It's seems like it's impossible this season to try and predict outcomes with any consistency - too much parity. Who would have thought Dallas destroys Jacksonville & Tennessee get shut out at home by Baltimore. Crazy & unpredictable league. But we did see a good performance by a back-up for once; Osweiler filling in for the injured Tannehill throws for 380 yds & 3 TDs in the squeaker over Chicago. :)
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15 Oct 2018 03:52

Entertaining nightcap!
-Two good teams
-KC left at least 12 points out there (PM took too long to settle down)
-I agree with CC that the kid let go of TB to be sure not to get a flag
--fortunately overall, the "protect the QB at all costs rules" won't have a massive effect, but in this case...

SEA won.
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15 Oct 2018 04:36

Nomad wrote:
on3m@n@rmy wrote:My upset picks for this week are CLE over Chargers, and Denver over Rams. 100% correct right?
Way off on Cleveland (I probably would have picked them also) but pretty darn close on the Broncos (I was anticipating an upset...dang). It's seems like it's impossible this season to try and predict outcomes with any consistency - too much parity. Who would have thought Dallas destroys Jacksonville & Tennessee get shut out at home by Baltimore. Crazy & unpredictable league. But we did see a good performance by a back-up for once; Osweiler filling in for the injured Tannehill throws for 380 yds & 3 TDs in the squeaker over Chicago. :)

For sure right re:CLE? Well, that's why I called it an upset pick. Never expect to get them right as much of the time. At least the Denver game was closer.
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jmdirt wrote:Entertaining nightcap!
-Two good teams
-KC left at least 12 points out there (PM took too long to settle down)
-I agree with CC that the kid let go of TB to be sure not to get a flag
--fortunately overall, the "protect the QB at all costs rules" won't have a massive effect, but in this case...

SEA won.

Okay. How do I say this. The nightcap was exciting. Kind of. I mean, this was a perfect storm of two teams that play a seemingly exciting game, but there was zero defense against dangerous offenses. So, it appeared to be the team who had the ball last wins. I hate that more than anything. I won't go so far as to blame it on the rule changes that favor offenses, because it was more about the matchups between both teams. It is what it is I guess. Not my favorite type of game to watch.

I agree the Brady sack that shoulda been was, well, I bet Packers LB Clay Matthews was going "yup, I told ya that was gonna happen".

Did not expect SEA to dominate OAK like that. But the SEA OL is starting to play better together. I mean, with a new OC, new OL coach, several new players (Sweezy in for injured Pocic, & Fluker), this OLine's ceiling for improvement is higher than many teams right now, meaning the SEA OL stands to improve more than other teams OLines as the season goes on. Now, even tho QB Wilson is nursing a hammy, he's not having to run for his life like he was all last season and some of the first two game this season. Contrast that with the awful OAK OL. OK, the OAK OL is dealing with lots of injuries ATM. So is SEA to some extent. BUT THIS, the Oakland OL coach is Tom Cable, who was the SEA OL coach last season. Just sayin'.
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15 Oct 2018 17:23

Good call on Tom Cable. Right now the Raiders are probably the worst team in the NFL, and despite Carr still looking like he can throw all right, their offense is just terrible overall. I doubt they could beat the Giants or Colts. Maybe the Cardinals or 49ers. It's astounding how sloppy and weak they look. Still, give Seattle some credit, two good weeks in a row.

I told you guys the Chargers are for real. They lost two close games early in the season against KC and the Rams, and this was without Joey Bosa, their best defensive player. This team is a sleeper, and dangerous.

We can only hope KC and NE meet up again in January and we see another game like this. History has shown though that the Patriots slowly and continually adapt better than any team in football, and the Chiefs do not. One thing I noticed was that the Patriots were able to disrupt and rattle Mahomes, and he made a couple bad throws when out of the pocket or looking at 3rd, 4th options. But he also made some great throws in those same exact pressure situations.

Anyone catch the end of the Pittsburgh-Cincy game? It's astounding how creative the Bengals get at blowing games against the Steelers. Let's pretend you're Marvin Lewis or Teryl Austin (DC) of Cincy. First, your team makes another dumb penalty to help the Steelers out. Now, the Steelers are driving and close to FG range. What do you do? You play a soft zone, as if you were ahead by 2 scores, leaving a receiver wide open for a 20 yard gain. Then, with the Steelers now in long range of a FG, and you still have a chance to win, who is the ONE receiver you absolutely MUST cover? Antonio Brown. So what do you do when Brown and another WR line up bunched up just off the line? You allow one CB up close opposite of the other WR, and the other CB covering the far wide side 15 yards away and off the line, plus blitz the safety with NO inside help to cover Brown, who on a rub play catches an easy quick throw (the most obvious place Ben is going to look for when he sees a blitz) for a TD to seal the win. I mean, wow, really? Props to Ben and Brown for seeing and playing catch and win, but this was just one in a long line of ugly losses for the Bengals to the Steelers.

Great win for Miami. Brock Osweiller's best game in a few years. He's now 4-0 against Chicago. Great game by Frank Gore as well. Miami needed this win, at home, and gritted it out and got it.

Similar goes for Dak Prescott, who played his best game since his rookie year. Cowboys maddeningly inconsistent.

Ravens defense just devoured the Titans OL, in an ugly way.
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