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08 Jan 2018 02:39

jsem94 wrote:Mike Dean is a Tottenham fan,
Mike Dean is a Tottenham fan

naah, he's a Tranmere fan.
F**ks over Spurs just as much - actually, everyone except Fergie's Utd, really...
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08 Jan 2018 17:21

GraftPunk wrote:Mike Dean can eat a penis.

(Just a gunner fan venting)

There is no disrespect to losing against a team with not one but two European cups. Two more than Arsenal, in fact :p
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09 Jan 2018 01:53

Brullnux wrote:
GraftPunk wrote:Mike Dean can eat a penis.

(Just a gunner fan venting)

There is no disrespect to losing against a team with not one but two European cups. Two more than Arsenal, in fact :p

forest fans were quick to point that out too, with chants of "You'll never be champions of Europe" :lol:
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09 Jan 2018 19:28

Wtaf wolves just offered 35m to ac milan for Andre Silva. The English teams are just so much richer than everyone else (except PSG, Real, Barca, Juve and Bayern) that unless UEFA intervene there'll be a serious and problematic skewed power balance.
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10 Jan 2018 11:45

Brullnux wrote:Wtaf wolves just offered 35m to ac milan for Andre Silva. The English teams are just so much richer than everyone else (except PSG, Real, Barca, Juve and Bayern) that unless UEFA intervene there'll be a serious and problematic skewed power balance.


There has already been a serious and problematic skewed power balance for more than a decade, but yeah, it's only getting worse. Clubs in the PL get something like 200m a year of TV money these days, right? That alone is more than twice the annual budget of the biggest club in my country (which, mind you, has historically been a big club in Europe).

But what are you going to do about it? Even taking away shady financial issues, PL clubs simply earn a ridiculous amount of money fair and square.

Also, Bayern and maybe Juve and PSG as well are going to falter in the future, compared to PL clubs and Barca/Real. With their national competitions getting increasingly boring due to one club dominance, their TV money is going to stagnate and they'll almost only face proper competition in the CL. Bayern is an especially awful and hypocritical team. They systematically destroyed the Bundesliga by using their superior budget to buy star players of their direct competitors and now because they have a crappy national competition, they can't compete with the PL league clubs financially. Well tough luck for them, now they know how Dortmund etc. feel.
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10 Jan 2018 15:34

Having a similar TV money system as the PL would already be a good start to make other leagues more competitive, after that you can tacle the other problems like oil money/questionable sponsorship deals and all kinds of other shady practices that some clubs use to spend a ton of money, but I don't know if UEFA will ever actuallly fight those issues for real.
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14 Jan 2018 17:56

Brullnux wrote:Liverpool have the attack to beat them but their defence is so poor that it's hard to see City not put 3 past them, unless Van Dijk really does bring an incredible improvement.


Haha well they certainly have the attack and it was very exciting due their defence. :p

Maybe if Van Dijk hadn't been injured it wouldn't have been so exciting in the end.
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14 Jan 2018 18:31

Maaaaaaaarten wrote:
Brullnux wrote:Liverpool have the attack to beat them but their defence is so poor that it's hard to see City not put 3 past them, unless Van Dijk really does bring an incredible improvement.


Haha well they certainly have the attack and it was very exciting due their defence. :p

Maybe if Van Dijk hadn't been injured it wouldn't have been so exciting in the end.

Turns out City can put three past them, and Liverpool still win.

Well deserved, and it had been coming for City. Awful defending from both sides, especially Stones, Ederson, Gomez and whatever it is that happened for City's third goal. But exciting match. I feel games like these show why City, and Guardiola teams without Messi and/or a perfect balance, will struggle to win the Champions League. They can blow away inferior sides, but a top team will press, disposses and counter-attack and dismantle them. Like Klopp did today, and City did to Napoli at the San Paolo, Barca did to Bayern in 2015, and Ancelotti did in 2014. City will breeze past Basel but struggle against PSG or Bayern or Barca.
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15 Jan 2018 09:30

Brullnux wrote:
Maaaaaaaarten wrote:
Brullnux wrote:Liverpool have the attack to beat them but their defence is so poor that it's hard to see City not put 3 past them, unless Van Dijk really does bring an incredible improvement.


Haha well they certainly have the attack and it was very exciting due their defence. :p

Maybe if Van Dijk hadn't been injured it wouldn't have been so exciting in the end.

Turns out City can put three past them, and Liverpool still win.

Well deserved, and it had been coming for City. Awful defending from both sides, especially Stones, Ederson, Gomez and whatever it is that happened for City's third goal. But exciting match. I feel games like these show why City, and Guardiola teams without Messi and/or a perfect balance, will struggle to win the Champions League. They can blow away inferior sides, but a top team will press, disposses and counter-attack and dismantle them. Like Klopp did today, and City did to Napoli at the San Paolo, Barca did to Bayern in 2015, and Ancelotti did in 2014. City will breeze past Basel but struggle against PSG or Bayern or Barca.


I think you are seeing what you want to see when analysing Guardiola's teams relative underperformance in Champions League. It's more due to the nature of knock-out football, where luck and happenstance play much bigger role than over a league season (when sustained quality always comes out on top). Even his Barcelona team which had Messi in it and quality-wise was clearly a step or two ahead of everyone at the time won the CL only twice in four years and only one of those was won through sheer quality. Nature of knock-out football clearly favours a style of play built on tight defence and counter-attacking, specially with the away goals rule in place.

City lost yesterday because of a brief 5 minute meltdown in the second half. But all credit to Liverpool as there are very few teams in the world who are able to force that kind of meltdown and also take advantage of it.
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15 Jan 2018 22:20

I don't think what you say and I say are mutually exclusive. A team with a good defence and a strong counter attack, as you say, is likely to beat Guardiola-ball especially in a knockout scenario. But I think 4-0 away is down to more than just luck.

Ah, I think Liverpool was on top throughout. City rarely looked like scoring (when they did, they usually scored) and the best opportunities apart from at the start of the second half basically only came from defensive howlers (also except Silva's goal), while Liverpool was more threatening and seemed more in control.
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Yesterday 01:07

The CBs and GK were shocking for both clubs actually. Especially Stones and Lovren. Ox was a beast, Robertson too. Firmino an absolute monster.

Liverpool's midfield was excellent and actually took KdB out of the game. Gundogan isn't David Silva and can't pick up the pace just as easily if KdB is marked out of the game. It was a great tactical display from Liverpool, but they don't have the players to be able to see out a game. Mane lost Bernardo on the far post which led to the 4-2, and he was almost free for that 4-3 had Gundogan missed it.
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