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Re: U.S. Politics

08 Jul 2018 13:16

"Sleep well, we are no longer threatened by North Korea"..

pretty funny donnie..nice TV moment but the 'master negotiator' falls flat, again..what a surprise.
"I think there is a fundamental misunderstanding," said CNN global affairs analyst Joseph Yun, a former top US diplomat on North Korea policy. "The US still believes North Korea will denuclearize substantially before we give them any major rewards, while North Korea believes that the two need to move together jointly, and both make concessions."
The rebuke from North Korea -- and the fact that Pompeo left the talks with little to show for his effort -- suggests that Pyongyang, and not the US, is setting the terms of negotiation. Rather than announcing any concrete achievements, the most Pompeo seemed able to deliver on Saturday was the promise of more talks.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/08/politics/north-korea-trump-administration-nuclear-talks/index.html

Lessee..immigration 'policy' an embarrassment, trade wars with everybody, slow GDP growth, YUGE deficit, more stuff showing the trump campaign DID collude with russia, more sexist comments by don the groper(Jordan is telling the truth, hire Shine-another sexual predator)..midterms hooray...
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08 Jul 2018 14:31

So you have to ask on the flushing of Scott Pruitt down the toilet..
OK..why would the EPA chief need to fly on our dime to Italy?... Why would he need to fly home and then fly back at tax payer expense to Morocco? What critical US department of EPA business was happening in Morocco?
Was the sound proof booth and security details ever explained?
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08 Jul 2018 15:09

Unchained wrote:So you have to ask on the flushing of Scott Pruitt down the toilet..
OK..why would the EPA chief need to fly on our dime to Italy?... Why would he need to fly home and then fly back at tax payer expense to Morocco? What critical US department of EPA business was happening in Morocco?
Was the sound proof booth and security details ever explained?


He 'said' he had nothing to do with the $43,000 sound proof both..a liar, of course, just like his boss...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
— He falsely claimed to be the first Republican presidential candidate to win Wisconsin “since Dwight Eisenhower in 1952” (Ronald Reagan and Richard Nixon both won Wisconsin).

— He exaggerated the number of MS-13 members who have been deported as being in the “thousands” (this is not possible).

— He hyperbolically said “getting military funding from these Democrats is almost impossible” (most Democrats voted for the latest military spending bill).

— He misleadingly claimed “we are already building the wall” (construction on the wall has not begun).

— He falsely said wages were rising “for the first time in 18 years” (they have been rising for years).

— He falsely claimed that the tax cuts he signed into law in December were “the biggest in American history” (they rank 12th).

— He claimed to have “saved family farms” by raising the threshold for the estate tax (the tax previously affected around 80 family farms and small businesses).

— He falsely claimed “millions” are already signing up for association health care plans (they will not be available until at least Sept. 1).

— He said the Keystone XL and Dakota Access pipelines will produce 48,000 jobs (all but 75 will be temporary jobs).

— He exaggerated the United States’ trade deficit with China as $507 billion (it is $336 billion).


All above just from montana trip..liar.
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08 Jul 2018 17:19

There is a not so slow burn down of the truth with Trump..MS-13.. mostly American,USA based.. border running.. not huge compared with overstaying visas.. taking American jobs.. could be but why not pass a federal E-Verify law? If undocumented people have no place to work it will be hard to get food and make rent in every region of the country..
Don't mind trying to correct problems.. the economy has a couple of glaring troubles.. lack of workers.. like of qualified candidates.. those people for the most part are not going to come from a penniless, non English speaking, untrained, uneducated migrant worker.
The real loomer is Social Security.. the revenues are not reaching the mark.. constantly under funded.. the Ryan-Trump ripoff to reduce payments from @$1500 to @$1100-1000 bucks a month will kill people.. not in some hyperbolic sense but really kill people.. there is only one answer really and that is more money..we need more money.. pretty straight forward.
The AZ governor says teachers are pulling a trick to raise taxes..? OK .. how does any of this make any financial sense? Teachers are asking for materials and wage increases.. rural hospitals and health care outlets.. dropping like flies.. what is the answer ?not to get some kind of stopgap scheme is crazy!! We need to beg, barrow or steal the money for education and health care.. letting things wither and then start over is not an option ..
Could the answer be in places like Lima Ohio or Scott Pruitt's travel account?
Is paying golf courses and Trump owned properties really the best use of our money?
Hard to believe that some little kid can't get a meal so he can concentrate on school.. some senior can't eat or get medication so some weasel can fly to Morocco or some clown with a long neck tie can play golf a couple of times a week w millions of dollars worth of secret service caddies!!!wtf...over
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08 Jul 2018 18:31

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09 Jul 2018 12:44

trump the liar, again.
After host George Stephanopoulos said to Giuliani that Comey says he took Trump's remark as direction, Giuliani responded that he was also told, "Can you give the man a break?" many times as a prosecutor.
"He didn't direct him to do that," Giuliani said. "What he said was, can you, can you ..."
"Comey says he took it as direction," Stephanopoulos interjected.
"Well, that's okay. He could have taken it that way, but by that time he had been fired,

Comey testified to senators in June of last year that Trump told him during an Oval Office meeting the previous February that he hoped Comey could "see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go."

Trump has denied discussing Flynn with Comey. During a May 2017 news conference, Trump said when asked if he had urged Comey to ease up on the Flynn investigation, "no, no," and then said, "next question."
Politico's Josh Gerstein was the first to point out the discrepancy between Giuliani's comments and Trump's denial.


Why the trump 'crew' don't want trump anywhere around a interview under oath..cuz the guy is a natural born liar and yes, Perjury IS a 'high crime and misdemeanor'...
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10 Jul 2018 12:05

Great article here
Even stooping so far as to select a grad of a minor Ivy like Columbia or Cornell is too close to the soil for Trump’s refined tastes. Politico reported last week that another candidate, Amy Coney Barrett, is burdened with a “résumé that isn’t particularly appealing. Barrett is an alumnus of Rhodes College and Notre Dame Law School; she lacks the Harvard and Yale degrees Trump has said he is looking for in a nominee.” Just imagine the uproar if Trump appointed a justice from a midwestern education — even, heaven forfend, a public one! — and they picked up the salad fork to eat their foie gras!

What makes this all so galling, and perhaps not only to Michigan graduates like me, is that Trump has presided over a comprehensive assault on intellectual standards in public life. Trump is a stupid man surrounded by other stupid people, who appeals to the dumbest instincts in the polity with a vocabulary of relentless idiocy. His administration systematically disregards science and expertise; its officials statements frequently contain misspellings; his entire persona is based on insulting the intelligence of the American public in the belief that even the crudest lies will go undetected by his infinitely credulous tribal fan base.


YUP
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trumps-supreme-court-pick-cant-be-public-school-graduate.html
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Re: U.S. Politics

10 Jul 2018 13:05

Did scott quit? Just get tired of supporting an idjit?
Trump spoke to Putin over the phone in March, but was urged by aides not to congratulate the Russian leader on his recent election victory.
However, he defied the advice, and allegedly told the leader that the US and Russia should get on better.
But, during the same call, he spoke to the Kremlin leader about White House officials who had tried to stop the chat taking place.

According to a person with direct knowledge of the conversation, Trump told Putin: “Those are stupid people.

A former Deputy Secretary General of the international military organisation said Trump’s friendly relationship with the Russian President has “reduced” the US leverage with the country in matters of military and defence.

Alexander Vershbow said: “In normal times, a President of the United States would rally the allies, develop a unified approach, and go with a strengthened hand to negotiations with the president of Russia, rather than reducing his own leverage.”
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Re: U.S. Politics

10 Jul 2018 15:32

Bustedknuckle wrote:Did scott quit?


Nope. Just sitting back enjoying the convo you're having with yourself.
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Re: U.S. Politics

10 Jul 2018 15:43

Scott SoCal wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:Did scott quit?


Nope. Just sitting back enjoying the convo you're having with yourself.


Glad I can be of service... :)
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11 Jul 2018 04:32

Erik Prince still wants to take over the US military's role in Afghanistan.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/afghanistan-war-privatised-blackwater-founder-erik-prince-interview-a8440781.html
...Mr Prince is proposing, in essence, is privatising the war, although he would prefer to call it “rationalising and restructuring”.

It was a strategy he put forward once before to the White House, where it received the backing of Steve Bannon, then Mr Trump’s chief strategist, and his son-in-law Jared Kushner.

But it was rejected by senior members of the administration, with the then national security advisor Lieutenant General HR McMaster the strongest critic, and secretary of state Rex Tillerson and defence secretary general James Mattis also not in favour.

But there have been changes, with the extraordinary churn, in the Trump administration, and the current secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, and national security advisor John Bolton will be much more receptive, Mr Prince believes, to his plan.
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11 Jul 2018 20:57

So 4% of the GNP now for defense spending?
Using tax dollars for buying American weapons instead of spending them on education, infrastructure, fighting climate change, etc. sure seems like the way forward.
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11 Jul 2018 23:23

Jagartrott wrote:So 4% of the GNP now for defense spending?
Using tax dollars for buying American weapons instead of spending them on education, infrastructure, fighting climate change, etc. sure seems like the way forward.


Our government has the primary responsibility to provide 1) National Defense, 2) Individual Liberty and 3) Justice/Law/Order.

So, no, 4% doesn't sound out of line. What bothers me is what we are spending for things beyond the scope of the governments responsibility. I hope it bothers you too.

Edit: I misunderstood your point. You are talking NATO. My apologies.
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Re: U.S. Politics

12 Jul 2018 12:04

Donnie the dunce asked if he could unilaterally pull out of NATO, " I think I can"..once again, trump displays his ignorance..what a surprise.
NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. The alliance was established in 1949, and the Senate approved three treaties dealing with personnel and headquarters in 1953.

Unlike other agreements like the Paris Accords on global warming, NATO is a formal treaty with the full weight of US law. A president cannot simply declare a unilateral withdrawal on his own authority. He needs the consent of the Senate, and he needs to convince senators that this extraordinary act is necessary. Treaties aren’t broken lightly, because going back on its word undermines the credibility of the government.
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12 Jul 2018 12:49

The 'McConnell Rule"..is it law? Wonder if the SCOTUS will hear it..

http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/395696-the-mcconnell-rule-is-law-and-senate-democrats-should-sue-to-enforce-it
Whether McConnell likes it or not, the McConnell Rule is law. When McConnell declared in 2016 that Supreme Court nominees are not allowed hearings in an election year, that decree carried legal force — the same legal force as former Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-Nev.) reduction of the threshold to defeat filibusters for executive appointments and most judicial nominations from 60 to 51 senators.
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12 Jul 2018 14:19

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12 Jul 2018 16:32

A counterpoint to the author is that all the Dems held together for the Trumpcare votes, the Trumptax votes, and for really terrible nominations like DeVos, so it is not a foregone conclusion that the ones that voted for Gorsuch would automatically vote for Kavanaugh. If Murkowski and/ or Collins were to flip, I think their reasons for doing so would provide enough cover for the vulnerable democrats to vote against Kavanaugh as well. However... I don't think that is likely. I think the GOP will maintain unity for this one, making all the dem votes relatively meaningless.

"Why the Democrats Are Also to Blame for __________", is a good CP headline template. Not to quibble with a lot of the valid points made in the piece, but the democratic platform in 2016 was actually against the death penalty not in support of it as the author suggests.

Jagartrott wrote:So 4% of the GNP now for defense spending?
Using tax dollars for buying American weapons instead of spending them on education, infrastructure, fighting climate change, etc. sure seems like the way forward.
Peter Navarro was on Fox yesterday complaining that keeping military expenditures low allowed them to grow their own economies. Ehh, I'm no economist, but maybe we should try that?
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12 Jul 2018 19:17

I don’t believe the author is focused on one conversion from 2016, but the long view. Even the other points in the sentence generally stand.


https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/12/the-sinister-underbelly-of-climate-change-denial/
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12 Jul 2018 21:07

Over the long view, 19 states have banned the death penalty and they are almost exclusively in the NE and Midwest. I can't remember a time when democrats were 'for' the death penalty and since 2007, they have actively tried to legislate it out of existence. It is true that it was not part of the national platform until 2016, but as Scott is so eager to point out, neither was gay marriage until recently when Biden forced the issue with Obama. Time to update the green talking points.
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13 Jul 2018 04:43

Aphro posted a link to an article that points out some pretty profound things..a majority of the piece is about the fact that lots of Trump supporters don't care about truth or facts...I read it and agreed with ,90% and sat dejected and defeated..
Now these last few days are flying by and Trump has gone on a Tour D Fabrication..on an international scale.. he had some silly overview of European energy policy..he spouted off about UN contribution..he said that he gave easy solutions for Brexit , immigration and energy policy to European leaders.. they didn't listen..he complimented guys who quit..the Sun caught Trump lying and now the queen and British prime minister have to try and make eye contact with Trump knowing he is on record as having contempt for them..

And as if things couldn't get weirder.. the government said today.. I am not making this up.. that the US government is not going to return children to their parents because the government has determined that the parents are not worthy of having their own children back...?...?....?
In some cases they say that the parents had a history of criminal behavior.. so they are keeping the children..
In San Diego kids are staying in a $900,000 dollar residential home.. some kids are being housed and cared for for between $335-775 per day.. more expensive than a suite at one of the Trumpsters hotels..we are making children..1,2,3 year old kids stand in front of judges..a 3 year old in a US court room without their parents.. scared for their life..all legal..Jeff Sessions is an evil dude..
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