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20 Apr 2017 05:19

Oh, you mean rogue states? Can't build resorts on a radioactive surface. So what was your cartoon about?
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20 Apr 2017 05:42

Radioactive resorts? We already have that in Denver and Boulder.
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20 Apr 2017 06:02

But whose to say which countries can have WMD and who can't? And what does this tell us about the iter of power and its destiny to breed monsters that are merely reflections of horrors the power structure, to intimidate and coerce, created?
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20 Apr 2017 06:32

rhubroma wrote:But whose to say which countries can have WMD and who can't? And what does this tell us about the iter of power and its destiny to breed monsters that are merely reflections of horrors the power structure, to intimidate and coerce, created?


Fine: science dystopia writ large. How you deescalate?

@G, I'm sure you have a point: what is it?
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20 Apr 2017 08:03

blutto wrote:....a little background on that Korean thingee...just so youse knows whose youse fighting 'bout....

Who Really Started the Korean War?

Forget the Trumanite mythology


The sixtieth anniversary of the "end" of the Korean war saw President Obama attempt to rescue that classic example of interventionist failure from history’s dustbin. Addressing veterans of that conflict, he declared:

“That war was no tie. Korea was a victory. When 50 million South Koreans live in freedom, a vibrant democracy…a stark contrast to the repression and poverty of the North, that is a victory and that is your legacy.”

This is a fairytale: it wasn’t a victory, or even a tie: the US public was disenchanted with the war long before the armistice, and Truman was under considerable pressure at home to conclude an increasingly unpopular conflict. As for this guff about "democracy": whatever the US was fighting for, from 1950, when the war broke out, to 1953, when it ground to a halt, democracy hardly described the American cause.

We were fighting on behalf of Syngman Rhee, the US-educated-and-sponsored dictator of South Korea, whose vibrancy was demonstrated by the large-scale slaughter of his leftist political opponents. For 22 years, Rhee’s word was law, and many thousands of his political opponents were murdered: tens of thousands were jailed or driven into exile. Whatever measure of liberality has reigned on the Korean peninsula was in spite of Washington’s efforts and ongoing military presence. When the country finally rebelled against Rhee, and threw him out in the so-called April Revolution of 1960, he was ferried to safety in a CIA helicopter as crowds converged on the presidential palace.


http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/04/18/who-really-started-the-korean-war-2/

....yup just another spooks inspired total cockup....following hot on the heels of the total fcuk-up in China....and a template for many total fcuk-ups to come....cripes one would figure with the losing record Merikah has had over the last 70 years or so they might want to try something else other trying yet another war...ok they won the battle for Grenada which is the equivalent of kicking over a fruit stand....other than that bupkes...

Cheers



Putin attacked Korea. C'mon Blutto, have you already forgotten? Give credit where credit is due!
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20 Apr 2017 09:32

Scott SoCal wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:
Scott SoCal wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:Roger Ailes out, now Bill O'Reilly out. Both defended by and showermates of Adolf. Deny, deny, deny, ooops, those pesky tapes. The third member of this sexual predator trifecta, Donnie, has a tape too. Just a matter of time.

Hey Scott, this is when you bring up Bill Clinton, predictable, sad.


It's been a long 3 months for you.


Absolutely not. It's great fun to google 'latest trump news' each morning and see the 8-10 articles written about what a dunce this guy is. Easy and very entertaining. Wouldn't you have rather criticized Clinton than defend this moron?


Fake news peddlers are depending on you.


Right from the trump playbook, I'm impressed..well, not really.

Developments beyond Mr. Page’s trip may have heightened the F.B.I.’s concern about Russian meddling in the campaign. Paul Manafort, then Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, was already under criminal investigation in connection with payments from a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine. WikiLeaks and two websites later identified as Russian intelligence fronts had begun releasing emails obtained when Democratic Party servers were hacked.


First, aides say that Mr. Trump, who often says, “I’m, like, a really smart person” in public, is driven by a need to prove his legitimacy as president to the many critics who deem him an unworthy victor forever undercut by Hillary Clinton’s three-million-vote win in the popular vote.


Like, ya know, he's not.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/us/politics/trump-obama-wiretapping-motivation.html
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20 Apr 2017 09:47

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20 Apr 2017 10:00

Giuseppe Magnetico wrote:
aphronesis wrote:The cold war fused witth identity issues as a political formation to distract from actual life concerns? Wicked.


"Cold War".... Uh, WTF are you talking about? Apparently the 'fake' facts say that ended in 1991?


....give Busted a call, he'll bring you up to speed....it never died, it was just put into suspended animation and stored in a broom closet deep in the bowels of the Pentagon.....to be wheeled out in emergencies, like to save the profits, errr, the nation....

Cheers
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20 Apr 2017 10:05

BullsFan22 wrote:
blutto wrote:....a little background on that Korean thingee...just so youse knows whose youse fighting 'bout....

Who Really Started the Korean War?

Forget the Trumanite mythology


The sixtieth anniversary of the "end" of the Korean war saw President Obama attempt to rescue that classic example of interventionist failure from history’s dustbin. Addressing veterans of that conflict, he declared:

“That war was no tie. Korea was a victory. When 50 million South Koreans live in freedom, a vibrant democracy…a stark contrast to the repression and poverty of the North, that is a victory and that is your legacy.”

This is a fairytale: it wasn’t a victory, or even a tie: the US public was disenchanted with the war long before the armistice, and Truman was under considerable pressure at home to conclude an increasingly unpopular conflict. As for this guff about "democracy": whatever the US was fighting for, from 1950, when the war broke out, to 1953, when it ground to a halt, democracy hardly described the American cause.

We were fighting on behalf of Syngman Rhee, the US-educated-and-sponsored dictator of South Korea, whose vibrancy was demonstrated by the large-scale slaughter of his leftist political opponents. For 22 years, Rhee’s word was law, and many thousands of his political opponents were murdered: tens of thousands were jailed or driven into exile. Whatever measure of liberality has reigned on the Korean peninsula was in spite of Washington’s efforts and ongoing military presence. When the country finally rebelled against Rhee, and threw him out in the so-called April Revolution of 1960, he was ferried to safety in a CIA helicopter as crowds converged on the presidential palace.


http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2017/04/18/who-really-started-the-korean-war-2/

....yup just another spooks inspired total cockup....following hot on the heels of the total fcuk-up in China....and a template for many total fcuk-ups to come....cripes one would figure with the losing record Merikah has had over the last 70 years or so they might want to try something else other trying yet another war...ok they won the battle for Grenada which is the equivalent of kicking over a fruit stand....other than that bupkes...

Cheers



Putin attacked Korea. C'mon Blutto, have you already forgotten? Give credit where credit is due!


....oh silly me, done did forgot eh....major whoopsie....I'm usually ok until I start chewing bubble gum and then things gets confusing...really gotta lay off the gum....

Cheers
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20 Apr 2017 10:08

....why many are flocking to the alt-left....its a home with new curtains....and a new latte machine....

The Left’s Descent to Fascism

Posted on April 18, 2017 by Charles Hugh Smith


History often surprises us with unexpected ironies. For the past century, the slide to fascism could be found on the Right (conservative, populist, nationalist political parties).

But now it’s the Left that’s descending into fascism, and few seem to even notice this remarkable development. By Left I mean socialist-leaning, progressive, internationalist/globalist political parties.

What is fascism? There is no one tidy definition, but it has three essential elements:

1) State and corporate elites govern society and the economy as one unified class.

2) This status quo (i.e. The Establishment) seeks to impose a conformity of values and opinion that support the dominant narratives of the status quo via the mass (corporate) media and the state-controlled educational system.

3) Dissent from any quarter is suppressed via mass-media ridicule, the judicial crushing and silencing of whistleblowers, and all the other powers of the central state: rendition, extra-legal imprisonment, political gulags (in our era, disguised as drug-war gulags), character assassination, murder by drone, impoverishing dissenters via firings and blacklists, and on and on.

The Left is now the political wing of the corporatocracy. As Phillipe Poutou, a Ford factory mechanic from Bordeaux who is the sole working-class candidate in France’s presidential election, so deliciously pointed out, the Left and Right status quo candidates are indistinguishable in terms of their self-serving corruption and elitism:Mechanic-Candidate Bursts French Political Elite’s Bubble (NY Times)


Here in the U.S., the self-serving Democratic Party elites operate within the Corporatocracy structure, in which the state protects and funds private-sector cartels; the two intertwined and self-reinforcing elites manifest and enforce state policies.


This state-corporate elite domination is fascism. Some may claim the Left was co-opted by the Corporatocracy structure, others will blame capitalism (never mind the dominant form of capitalism is state-cartel, and it cannot exist without the central state enforcing the privileges of monopoly).

But these are simply excuses for the abject surrender of the Left to self-enrichment and power. Since the Left has always claimed the high moral ground–and continues to do so–see my essay Virtue-Signaling the Decline of the Empire(February 28, 2017)– the Left must mask its own corruption and role in the Corporatocracy structure
.

....not overly thrilled with the poor choice below of the term third way....quite sure the author didn't intend to tie into the "Third Way" of Blair/Clinton which is the super-highway that leads straight to the alt-left fascism infestation we are facing today....

The Left is morally and fiscally bankrupt, devoid of coherent solutions, and corrupted by its embrace of the Corporatocracy. Its descent to fascism has too much momentum to be stopped. Isn’t it obvious that the only way forward is to jettison both the Left and Right flavors of state-cartel Corporatocracy and pave a third way?



http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/lefts-descent-fascism.html

Cheers
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20 Apr 2017 10:16

aphronesis wrote:
rhubroma wrote:But whose to say which countries can have WMD and who can't? And what does this tell us about the iter of power and its destiny to breed monsters that are merely reflections of horrors the power structure, to intimidate and coerce, created?


Fine: science dystopia writ large. How you deescalate?

@G, I'm sure you have a point: what is it?


Pacifist utopia? As a remedy to extintion probability theory? Common sense? Omnia vincit amor et nos cedamus amori? Or shall we succumb to the escatological myth?
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20 Apr 2017 11:43

aphronesis wrote:Singling out Trump and his "peers" as intrepid leaders of "risk" taking seems a little unrealistic if disingenuous and blinkered, but we knew that

https://www.google.com/amp/s/economicsociology.org/2015/01/04/ulrich-beck-has-died-his-powerful-concept-of-risk-society-is-relevant-as-never-was-before/amp/

Might be another way of fleshing the texture in Unchained's details.


Not sure Trump has been referred to as an intrepid leader by anybody other than yourself. Ecological politics is an antiseptic version of economic equilibrium.

Instead, man’s fear of collapse should offer an opportunity for international cooperation and a cosmopolitan turn in the social sciences.


Right. One world government. Sounds attractive.
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20 Apr 2017 11:45

aphronesis wrote:Oh, you mean rogue states? Can't build resorts on a radioactive surface. So what was your cartoon about?

No one really knows but it made him feel better and was cause for celebration across this great land. People came out of their safe space's just this once to gaze upon the wonderful work of art.
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20 Apr 2017 11:50

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Right from the trump playbook, I'm impressed..well, not really.

Developments beyond Mr. Page’s trip may have heightened the F.B.I.’s concern about Russian meddling in the campaign. Paul Manafort, then Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, was already under criminal investigation in connection with payments from a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine. WikiLeaks and two websites later identified as Russian intelligence fronts had begun releasing emails obtained when Democratic Party servers were hacked.


First, aides say that Mr. Trump, who often says, “I’m, like, a really smart person” in public, is driven by a need to prove his legitimacy as president to the many critics who deem him an unworthy victor forever undercut by Hillary Clinton’s three-million-vote win in the popular vote.


Like, ya know, he's not.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/us/politics/trump-obama-wiretapping-motivation.html


Hillary who?

I kinda wonder... at what point will The NY Times come to realize the contest to determine the new president didn't hinge on the popular vote tally.

Dumb. Stupid even. Kinda surprised you keep bringing it up.
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20 Apr 2017 11:52

blutto wrote:....why many are flocking to the alt-left....its a home with new curtains....and a new latte machine....

The Left’s Descent to Fascism

Posted on April 18, 2017 by Charles Hugh Smith


History often surprises us with unexpected ironies. For the past century, the slide to fascism could be found on the Right (conservative, populist, nationalist political parties).

But now it’s the Left that’s descending into fascism, and few seem to even notice this remarkable development. By Left I mean socialist-leaning, progressive, internationalist/globalist political parties.

What is fascism? There is no one tidy definition, but it has three essential elements:

1) State and corporate elites govern society and the economy as one unified class.

2) This status quo (i.e. The Establishment) seeks to impose a conformity of values and opinion that support the dominant narratives of the status quo via the mass (corporate) media and the state-controlled educational system.

3) Dissent from any quarter is suppressed via mass-media ridicule, the judicial crushing and silencing of whistleblowers, and all the other powers of the central state: rendition, extra-legal imprisonment, political gulags (in our era, disguised as drug-war gulags), character assassination, murder by drone, impoverishing dissenters via firings and blacklists, and on and on.

The Left is now the political wing of the corporatocracy. As Phillipe Poutou, a Ford factory mechanic from Bordeaux who is the sole working-class candidate in France’s presidential election, so deliciously pointed out, the Left and Right status quo candidates are indistinguishable in terms of their self-serving corruption and elitism:Mechanic-Candidate Bursts French Political Elite’s Bubble (NY Times)


Here in the U.S., the self-serving Democratic Party elites operate within the Corporatocracy structure, in which the state protects and funds private-sector cartels; the two intertwined and self-reinforcing elites manifest and enforce state policies.


This state-corporate elite domination is fascism. Some may claim the Left was co-opted by the Corporatocracy structure, others will blame capitalism (never mind the dominant form of capitalism is state-cartel, and it cannot exist without the central state enforcing the privileges of monopoly).

But these are simply excuses for the abject surrender of the Left to self-enrichment and power. Since the Left has always claimed the high moral ground–and continues to do so–see my essay Virtue-Signaling the Decline of the Empire(February 28, 2017)– the Left must mask its own corruption and role in the Corporatocracy structure
.

....not overly thrilled with the poor choice below of the term third way....quite sure the author didn't intend to tie into the "Third Way" of Blair/Clinton which is the super-highway that leads straight to the alt-left fascism infestation we are facing today....

The Left is morally and fiscally bankrupt, devoid of coherent solutions, and corrupted by its embrace of the Corporatocracy. Its descent to fascism has too much momentum to be stopped. Isn’t it obvious that the only way forward is to jettison both the Left and Right flavors of state-cartel Corporatocracy and pave a third way?



http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/lefts-descent-fascism.html

Cheers


Yeah, well it's worse than that at UC Berkeley. Come to think of it, much of Kalifornia.

Peeling paint, rotting wood, unfinished ceilings and torn-up linoleum didn't stop prospective homebuyers from making an offer on a ramshackle Rockridge abode.
The teardown at 383 60th St. sold for a quarter-million over asking on Friday after receiving 19 offers.
The one-bedroom, two-bath bungalow built in 1905 went on the market in March for $495,000 and sold last week at $755,000.
People were lined up out the door on the first open house, according to listing agent Dalia Juskys of Red Oak Realty.


Liberal Mecca personified.

http://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Rockridge-teardown-real-estate-Oakland-19-offers-11083945.php
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20 Apr 2017 12:33

Scott SoCal wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:
Scott SoCal wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:Roger Ailes out, now Bill O'Reilly out. Both defended by and showermates of Adolf. Deny, deny, deny, ooops, those pesky tapes. The third member of this sexual predator trifecta, Donnie, has a tape too. Just a matter of time.

Hey Scott, this is when you bring up Bill Clinton, predictable, sad.


It's been a long 3 months for you.


Absolutely not. It's great fun to google 'latest trump news' each morning and see the 8-10 articles written about what a dunce this guy is. Easy and very entertaining. Wouldn't you have rather criticized Clinton than defend this moron?


Fake news peddlers are depending on you.

I can't believe you typed that, seriously disappointing.
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20 Apr 2017 12:50

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I can't believe you typed that, seriously disappointing.


The internet used for confirmation, not investigation. Disappointing it is.
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20 Apr 2017 12:55

Scott SoCal wrote:
aphronesis wrote:Singling out Trump and his "peers" as intrepid leaders of "risk" taking seems a little unrealistic if disingenuous and blinkered, but we knew that

https://www.google.com/amp/s/economicsociology.org/2015/01/04/ulrich-beck-has-died-his-powerful-concept-of-risk-society-is-relevant-as-never-was-before/amp/

Might be another way of fleshing the texture in Unchained's details.


Not sure Trump has been referred to as an intrepid leader by anybody other than yourself. Ecological politics is an antiseptic version of economic equilibrium.

Instead, man’s fear of collapse should offer an opportunity for international cooperation and a cosmopolitan turn in the social sciences.


Right. One world government. Sounds attractive.


I was flexing the cheek muscle you've been working.
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20 Apr 2017 13:31

jmdirt wrote:
Scott SoCal wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:
Scott SoCal wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:Roger Ailes out, now Bill O'Reilly out. Both defended by and showermates of Adolf. Deny, deny, deny, ooops, those pesky tapes. The third member of this sexual predator trifecta, Donnie, has a tape too. Just a matter of time.

Hey Scott, this is when you bring up Bill Clinton, predictable, sad.


It's been a long 3 months for you.


Absolutely not. It's great fun to google 'latest trump news' each morning and see the 8-10 articles written about what a dunce this guy is. Easy and very entertaining. Wouldn't you have rather criticized Clinton than defend this moron?


Fake news peddlers are depending on you.

I can't believe you typed that, seriously disappointing.

Not sure what was disappointing about his post. Seriously disappointing is someone who supported quadfocals going into child like rants because ole girl lost. 3 months we have put up with it so I guess its ok for you. Most are probably tired of the same comments and rants.
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20 Apr 2017 13:54

Scott SoCal wrote:
blutto wrote:....why many are flocking to the alt-left....its a home with new curtains....and a new latte machine....

The Left’s Descent to Fascism

Posted on April 18, 2017 by Charles Hugh Smith


History often surprises us with unexpected ironies. For the past century, the slide to fascism could be found on the Right (conservative, populist, nationalist political parties).

But now it’s the Left that’s descending into fascism, and few seem to even notice this remarkable development. By Left I mean socialist-leaning, progressive, internationalist/globalist political parties.

What is fascism? There is no one tidy definition, but it has three essential elements:

1) State and corporate elites govern society and the economy as one unified class.

2) This status quo (i.e. The Establishment) seeks to impose a conformity of values and opinion that support the dominant narratives of the status quo via the mass (corporate) media and the state-controlled educational system.

3) Dissent from any quarter is suppressed via mass-media ridicule, the judicial crushing and silencing of whistleblowers, and all the other powers of the central state: rendition, extra-legal imprisonment, political gulags (in our era, disguised as drug-war gulags), character assassination, murder by drone, impoverishing dissenters via firings and blacklists, and on and on.

The Left is now the political wing of the corporatocracy. As Phillipe Poutou, a Ford factory mechanic from Bordeaux who is the sole working-class candidate in France’s presidential election, so deliciously pointed out, the Left and Right status quo candidates are indistinguishable in terms of their self-serving corruption and elitism:Mechanic-Candidate Bursts French Political Elite’s Bubble (NY Times)


Here in the U.S., the self-serving Democratic Party elites operate within the Corporatocracy structure, in which the state protects and funds private-sector cartels; the two intertwined and self-reinforcing elites manifest and enforce state policies.


This state-corporate elite domination is fascism. Some may claim the Left was co-opted by the Corporatocracy structure, others will blame capitalism (never mind the dominant form of capitalism is state-cartel, and it cannot exist without the central state enforcing the privileges of monopoly).

But these are simply excuses for the abject surrender of the Left to self-enrichment and power. Since the Left has always claimed the high moral ground–and continues to do so–see my essay Virtue-Signaling the Decline of the Empire(February 28, 2017)– the Left must mask its own corruption and role in the Corporatocracy structure
.

....not overly thrilled with the poor choice below of the term third way....quite sure the author didn't intend to tie into the "Third Way" of Blair/Clinton which is the super-highway that leads straight to the alt-left fascism infestation we are facing today....

The Left is morally and fiscally bankrupt, devoid of coherent solutions, and corrupted by its embrace of the Corporatocracy. Its descent to fascism has too much momentum to be stopped. Isn’t it obvious that the only way forward is to jettison both the Left and Right flavors of state-cartel Corporatocracy and pave a third way?



http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/lefts-descent-fascism.html

Cheers


Yeah, well it's worse than that at UC Berkeley. Come to think of it, much of Kalifornia.

Peeling paint, rotting wood, unfinished ceilings and torn-up linoleum didn't stop prospective homebuyers from making an offer on a ramshackle Rockridge abode.
The teardown at 383 60th St. sold for a quarter-million over asking on Friday after receiving 19 offers.
The one-bedroom, two-bath bungalow built in 1905 went on the market in March for $495,000 and sold last week at $755,000.
People were lined up out the door on the first open house, according to listing agent Dalia Juskys of Red Oak Realty.


Liberal Mecca personified.

http://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Rockridge-teardown-real-estate-Oakland-19-offers-11083945.php


Dude. In my neighbourhood they stopped pretending and don't bother advertising the house. A small lot in my part of Vancouver goes for $4.6 million. https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/Single-Family/17860781/575-W-KING-EDWARD-AVENUE-Vancouver-British-Columbia-V5Z2C4

And that's why (well, one of the reasons) I'm moving to Halifax next month.

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