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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 14:16

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blutto wrote:....why many are flocking to the alt-left....its a home with new curtains....and a new latte machine....

The Left’s Descent to Fascism

Posted on April 18, 2017 by Charles Hugh Smith


History often surprises us with unexpected ironies. For the past century, the slide to fascism could be found on the Right (conservative, populist, nationalist political parties).

But now it’s the Left that’s descending into fascism, and few seem to even notice this remarkable development. By Left I mean socialist-leaning, progressive, internationalist/globalist political parties.

What is fascism? There is no one tidy definition, but it has three essential elements:

1) State and corporate elites govern society and the economy as one unified class.

2) This status quo (i.e. The Establishment) seeks to impose a conformity of values and opinion that support the dominant narratives of the status quo via the mass (corporate) media and the state-controlled educational system.

3) Dissent from any quarter is suppressed via mass-media ridicule, the judicial crushing and silencing of whistleblowers, and all the other powers of the central state: rendition, extra-legal imprisonment, political gulags (in our era, disguised as drug-war gulags), character assassination, murder by drone, impoverishing dissenters via firings and blacklists, and on and on.

The Left is now the political wing of the corporatocracy. As Phillipe Poutou, a Ford factory mechanic from Bordeaux who is the sole working-class candidate in France’s presidential election, so deliciously pointed out, the Left and Right status quo candidates are indistinguishable in terms of their self-serving corruption and elitism:Mechanic-Candidate Bursts French Political Elite’s Bubble (NY Times)


Here in the U.S., the self-serving Democratic Party elites operate within the Corporatocracy structure, in which the state protects and funds private-sector cartels; the two intertwined and self-reinforcing elites manifest and enforce state policies.


This state-corporate elite domination is fascism. Some may claim the Left was co-opted by the Corporatocracy structure, others will blame capitalism (never mind the dominant form of capitalism is state-cartel, and it cannot exist without the central state enforcing the privileges of monopoly).

But these are simply excuses for the abject surrender of the Left to self-enrichment and power. Since the Left has always claimed the high moral ground–and continues to do so–see my essay Virtue-Signaling the Decline of the Empire(February 28, 2017)– the Left must mask its own corruption and role in the Corporatocracy structure
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....not overly thrilled with the poor choice below of the term third way....quite sure the author didn't intend to tie into the "Third Way" of Blair/Clinton which is the super-highway that leads straight to the alt-left fascism infestation we are facing today....

The Left is morally and fiscally bankrupt, devoid of coherent solutions, and corrupted by its embrace of the Corporatocracy. Its descent to fascism has too much momentum to be stopped. Isn’t it obvious that the only way forward is to jettison both the Left and Right flavors of state-cartel Corporatocracy and pave a third way?



http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/04/lefts-descent-fascism.html

Cheers


Yeah, well it's worse than that at UC Berkeley. Come to think of it, much of Kalifornia.

Peeling paint, rotting wood, unfinished ceilings and torn-up linoleum didn't stop prospective homebuyers from making an offer on a ramshackle Rockridge abode.
The teardown at 383 60th St. sold for a quarter-million over asking on Friday after receiving 19 offers.
The one-bedroom, two-bath bungalow built in 1905 went on the market in March for $495,000 and sold last week at $755,000.
People were lined up out the door on the first open house, according to listing agent Dalia Juskys of Red Oak Realty.


Liberal Mecca personified.

http://www.sfgate.com/realestate/article/Rockridge-teardown-real-estate-Oakland-19-offers-11083945.php


Dude. In my neighbourhood they stopped pretending and don't bother advertising the house. A small lot in my part of Vancouver goes for $4.6 million. https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/Single-Family/17860781/575-W-KING-EDWARD-AVENUE-Vancouver-British-Columbia-V5Z2C4

And that's why (well, one of the reasons) I'm moving to Halifax next month.

John Swanson

You going over to help Bubbles with his shopping cart business? and the kitties don't forget about the kitties in the shed.
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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 14:26

Semper Fidelis wrote:You going over to help Bubbles with his shopping cart business? and the kitties don't forget about the kitties in the shed.

It's all about the freedom 45 plan...

Actually, I lost my job and there's nothing keeping me in Vancouver.

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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 14:29

Pre existing medical condition? BOHICA,

The Huffington Post, the new deal “effectively allows states to eliminate the ACA’s guarantee of access to insurance at a reasonable price for people with pre-existing conditions, in the interest of lowering premiums for people who are healthy. It seems to tilt heavily towards what the Freedom Caucus has been looking for.”


How many people with pre existing medical conditions voted for these loons? 2018 is gonna be great.

http://www.salon.com/2017/04/20/donald-trump-is-bring-back-trumpcare-because-he-cares-about-how-his-first-100-days-goes/

5th grade vocabulary on parade..this isn't even english.

“We are going to have a big win soon, because we are going to have health care and that’s gonna happen,” President Trump told a CNN affiliate WTMJ in Wisconsin on Tuesday. “And there was no lose with health care, this is just a constant negotiation and the plan is getting better and better all the time.”
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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 14:32

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Right from the trump playbook, I'm impressed..well, not really.

Developments beyond Mr. Page’s trip may have heightened the F.B.I.’s concern about Russian meddling in the campaign. Paul Manafort, then Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, was already under criminal investigation in connection with payments from a pro-Russian political party in Ukraine. WikiLeaks and two websites later identified as Russian intelligence fronts had begun releasing emails obtained when Democratic Party servers were hacked.


First, aides say that Mr. Trump, who often says, “I’m, like, a really smart person” in public, is driven by a need to prove his legitimacy as president to the many critics who deem him an unworthy victor forever undercut by Hillary Clinton’s three-million-vote win in the popular vote.


Like, ya know, he's not.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/21/us/politics/trump-obama-wiretapping-motivation.html


Hillary who?

I kinda wonder... at what point will The NY Times come to realize the contest to determine the new president didn't hinge on the popular vote tally.

Dumb. Stupid even. Kinda surprised you keep bringing it up.


Kinda surprised you keep saying you didn't vote for this moron..too.

When adolf wants to get heard one of the first places he calls is the 'failing' NYT..strange that..not really.
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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 14:36

Hey Scott, this is when you bring up Bill Clinton, predictable, sad.[/quote]

It's been a long 3 months for you.
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Absolutely not. It's great fun to google 'latest trump news' each morning and see the 8-10 articles written about what a dunce this guy is. Easy and very entertaining. Wouldn't you have rather criticized Clinton than defend this moron?[/quote]

Fake news peddlers are depending on you.
[/quote]
I can't believe you typed that, seriously disappointing.[/quote]
Not sure what was disappointing about his post. Seriously disappointing is someone who supported quadfocals going into child like rants because ole girl lost. 3 months we have put up with it so I guess its ok for you. Most are probably tired of the same comments and rants.
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First, it's entertaining to see you trumpistas get all spooled up

Second, politics on a bike forum..c'mon..go ride your bike. Who here actually does that? I do more after I sold my....bike shop...duh.
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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 14:43

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Semper Fidelis wrote:You going over to help Bubbles with his shopping cart business? and the kitties don't forget about the kitties in the shed.

It's all about the freedom 45 plan...

Actually, I lost my job and there's nothing keeping me in Vancouver.

John Swanson

Sorry to read about your job.

Halifax is very nice. For me Vancouver is one of my favorite places but the cost of living is considerably better in Halifax correct?

PEI is one of my ex wife's and daughters favorite places in the world. That's a common phenomenon among Japanese folks. Blame the book and movie. I'm sure you know the one.

I played some good rounds of golf in PEI back in 2011 and 12.
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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 14:46

First, it's entertaining to see you trumpistas get all spooled up

Second, politics on a bike forum..c'mon..go ride your bike. Who here actually does that? I do more after I sold my....bike shop...duh.

I ride to and from work everyday but I'm not going to pretend like no one here rides. That would be very "wrong type of liberal demo party" of me. That seems to be what you're doing.

You seem to be the one getting "spooled up". From reading your posts it would appear to anyone outside of this bike forum that you have some type of obsession.
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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 14:53

Semper Fidelis wrote:
ScienceIsCool wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:You going over to help Bubbles with his shopping cart business? and the kitties don't forget about the kitties in the shed.

It's all about the freedom 45 plan...

Actually, I lost my job and there's nothing keeping me in Vancouver.

John Swanson

Sorry to read about your job.

Halifax is very nice. For me Vancouver is one of my favorite places but the cost of living is considerably better in Halifax correct?

PEI is one of my ex wife's and daughters favorite places in the world. That's a common phenomenon among Japanese folks. Blame the book and movie. I'm sure you know the one.

I played some good rounds of golf in PEI back in 2011 and 12.


Thanks. Vancouver is pretty, but has become batsh!t insane. A few of us have started calling it Vanhattan and people are leaving it in droves. Next time you're on the east coast, let's go play a round or two.

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Re: U.S. Politics

20 Apr 2017 15:27

Semper Fidelis wrote:
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Bustedknuckle wrote:
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Bustedknuckle wrote:Roger Ailes out, now Bill O'Reilly out. Both defended by and showermates of Adolf. Deny, deny, deny, ooops, those pesky tapes. The third member of this sexual predator trifecta, Donnie, has a tape too. Just a matter of time.

Hey Scott, this is when you bring up Bill Clinton, predictable, sad.


It's been a long 3 months for you.


Absolutely not. It's great fun to google 'latest trump news' each morning and see the 8-10 articles written about what a dunce this guy is. Easy and very entertaining. Wouldn't you have rather criticized Clinton than defend this moron?


Fake news peddlers are depending on you.

I can't believe you typed that, seriously disappointing.

[/quote]Not sure what was disappointing about his post. Seriously disappointing is someone who supported quadfocals going into child like rants because ole girl lost. 3 months we have put up with it so I guess its ok for you. Most are probably tired of the same comments and rants.[/quote]


What is wrong with it is that "fake news" is just rhetoric. I have higher expectations for Scott. He I and I agree that people seek affirmation and not information though.
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20 Apr 2017 15:48

Ok. I did not read it that way. Thanks for the followup.
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20 Apr 2017 16:08

@jmdirt: it's good that newyorker article told you what you needed to hear.
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20 Apr 2017 16:15

aphronesis wrote:@jmdirt: it's good that newyorker article told you what you needed to hear.

I need affirmation! :lol:

EDIT: I din't get that from the nyer article though.
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20 Apr 2017 18:10

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rhubroma wrote:But whose to say which countries can have WMD and who can't? And what does this tell us about the iter of power and its destiny to breed monsters that are merely reflections of horrors the power structure, to intimidate and coerce, created?


Fine: science dystopia writ large. How you deescalate?

@G, I'm sure you have a point: what is it?


Pacifist utopia? As a remedy to extintion probability theory? Common sense? Omnia vincit amor et nos cedamus amori? Or shall we succumb to the escatological myth?


I don't know. Common sense is agreed upon discourse given material form. Love is situational. Maybe you live in a humanist context where those possibilities extrude (or are exuded by) from aspects of yourbuilt environment, maybe I do on good days, but that doesn't just translate.
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20 Apr 2017 18:11

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aphronesis wrote:@jmdirt: it's good that newyorker article told you what you needed to hear.

I need affirmation! :lol:

EDIT: I din't get that from the nyer article though.


Fair enough. Yet it did support you. And not wrong as it goes, there's a fishtank issue there.
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20 Apr 2017 18:15

Some here will be interested in this

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20 Apr 2017 18:34

Beech Mtn wrote:Some here will be interested in this

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Man she was good looking back then in that black pant suit.
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20 Apr 2017 18:37

http://pagesix.com/2017/04/19/hillary-camp-scrambling-to-find-out-who-leaked-embarrassing-info/

The knives are out in Hillary Clinton’s camp about who leaked embarrassing information to the authors of a bombshell new book about her “doomed presidential campaign.”

There is a witch hunt under way among Clinton’s presidential campaign staffers after the release of the autopsy book, “Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign” by journalists Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes.

We’re told the details in the book, which depicts the campaign as inept, “could only have come from someone in the inner circle.” Dennis Cheng, the finance director of Clinton’s presidential campaign, has been sending out messages to determine where the leaks came from.


Semper, that you?

The source added, “There’s some speculation that Huma Abedin cooperated to save her own reputation. However, she and Hillary are still very close.”

Also, Huma is writing her own book, and is said to be seeking $2 million for it.
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20 Apr 2017 18:37

@semper, I was holding off. Not as angry either. Or maybe she took out Bill on the party. You should talk some sense.

Oh Huma, have to keep the T-dog in style. That will play so well on the mixed emotions of those who recognize "woman" as a category but hate the migrant fueled depreciation of wages and values.

True to form Democrats working leaks rather than substance.
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20 Apr 2017 18:41

today:
Pres signs authorization for SecretaryRoss to investigate whether steel exports from China et al a threat to US national security.

Pres Trump also raises concerns about exports from Canada of dairy, timber and energy. Calls it "another NAFTA disaster."
Benotti69 wrote:I don't believe anything from Astana any more than Sky.
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20 Apr 2017 18:44

Beech Mtn wrote:today:
Pres signs authorization for SecretaryRoss to investigate whether steel exports from China et al a threat to US national security.

Pres Trump also raises concerns about exports from Canada of dairy, timber and energy. Calls it "another NAFTA disaster."

#maplesyrup
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