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24 Sep 2017 11:48

Jagartrott wrote:Trump lecturing others on patriotism.
How many times did he dodge the draft?


....yeah but he was part of huge swath of a generation/class who did the same or tried to do the same....like where do you think the opposition to the Viet Nam war come from?....here is a hint, they weren't the deplorables....

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24 Sep 2017 11:51

blutto wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Trump lecturing others on patriotism.
How many times did he dodge the draft?


....yeah but he was part of huge swath of a generation/class who did the same or tried to do the same....like where do you think the opposition to the Viet Nam war come from?....here is a hint, they weren't the deplorables....

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Getting your terms mixed up history man. J's post is muddled, but yours adds nothing.
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24 Sep 2017 13:59

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24 Sep 2017 14:00

Here’s why US missile defense probably won't protect us from a North Korea attack
http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-attack-might-not-be-defended-by-us-missile-defense-2017-9
I already posted similar links in the world politics thread. my interest is both geo-political and technical with as little spin as possible...that is, i seek a substantive, open-sourced and objective articles. that head line is almost unanimous in the expert analysis i saw. here's another objective and informative security analytical source for ANY non-tech reader

It's time national leaders speak realistically about missile defense.
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/09/no-we-cannot-shoot-down-north-koreas-missiles/141070/?oref=d-dontmiss

this is why the bombast from the us/trump 'we will shoot your missile down' puzzles me so much :rolleyes: do the us officials try to save face by de facto lying to the american nation ? or they have no other choice having already spent about 300 bills on the practically useless weapon systems and knowing that very few, like myself, will attempt to dig for a the real story ??

and this is a threat from a hermite, economically broken and starving nation cut off from the latest technology :idea:

what about the chinese and russians ?

to me, these things defy the limits for of ANY military solution and the continued reliance on threats and intimidation like the us loves so much
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24 Sep 2017 14:01

US Provides Military Assistance to 73 Percent of World's Dictatorships

For decades, the American people have been repeatedly told by their government and corporate-run media that acts of war ordered by their president have been largely motivated by the need to counter acts of aggression or oppression by "evil dictators." We were told we had to invade Iraq because Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator. We had to bomb Libya because Muammar Gaddafi was an evil dictator, bent on unleashing a "bloodbath" on his own people. Today, of course, we are told that we should support insurgents in Syria because Bashar al-Assad is an evil dictator, and we must repeatedly rattle our sabers at North Korea's Kim Jong-un and Russia's Vladimir Putin because they, too, are evil dictators.

This is part of the larger, usually unquestioned mainstream corporate media narrative that the US leads the "Western democracies" in a global struggle to combat terrorism and totalitarianism and promote democracy.

I set out to answer a simple question: Is it true? Does the US government actually oppose dictatorships and champion democracy around the world, as we are repeatedly told?

The truth is not easy to find, but federal sources do provide an answer: No. According to Freedom House's rating system of political rights around the world, there were 49 nations in the world, as of 2015, that can be fairly categorized as "dictatorships." As of fiscal year 2015, the last year for which we have publicly available data, the federal government of the United States had been providing military assistance to 36 of them, courtesy of your tax dollars. The United States currently supports over 73 percent of the world's dictatorships!


http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42020-us-provides-military-assistance-to-73-percent-of-world-s-dictatorships

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24 Sep 2017 14:12

python wrote:Here’s why US missile defense probably won't protect us from a North Korea attack
http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-attack-might-not-be-defended-by-us-missile-defense-2017-9
I already posted similar links in the world politics thread. my interest is both geo-political and technical with as little spin as possible...that is, i seek a substantive, open-sourced and objective articles. that head line is almost unanimous in the expert analysis i saw. here's another objective and informative security analytical source for ANY non-tech reader

It's time national leaders speak realistically about missile defense.
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/09/no-we-cannot-shoot-down-north-koreas-missiles/141070/?oref=d-dontmiss

this is why the bombast from the us/trump 'we will shoot your missile down' puzzles me so much :rolleyes: do the us officials try to save face by de facto lying to the american nation ? or they have no other choice having already spent about 300 bills on the practically useless weapon systems and knowing that very few, like myself, will attempt to dig for a the real story ??

and this is a threat from a hermite, economically broken and starving nation cut off from the latest technology :idea:

what about the chinese and russians ?

to me, these things defy the limits for of ANY military solution and the continued reliance on threats and intimidation like the us loves so much
to continue with my thoughts, i'd be interested to hear the opinions of the frequenters here, why it is so ? why do we swallow the misinformation so easily to our own detriment ?
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24 Sep 2017 14:16

blutto wrote:US Provides Military Assistance to 73 Percent of World's Dictatorships

For decades, the American people have been repeatedly told by their government and corporate-run media that acts of war ordered by their president have been largely motivated by the need to counter acts of aggression or oppression by "evil dictators." We were told we had to invade Iraq because Saddam Hussein was an evil dictator. We had to bomb Libya because Muammar Gaddafi was an evil dictator, bent on unleashing a "bloodbath" on his own people. Today, of course, we are told that we should support insurgents in Syria because Bashar al-Assad is an evil dictator, and we must repeatedly rattle our sabers at North Korea's Kim Jong-un and Russia's Vladimir Putin because they, too, are evil dictators.

This is part of the larger, usually unquestioned mainstream corporate media narrative that the US leads the "Western democracies" in a global struggle to combat terrorism and totalitarianism and promote democracy.

I set out to answer a simple question: Is it true? Does the US government actually oppose dictatorships and champion democracy around the world, as we are repeatedly told?

The truth is not easy to find, but federal sources do provide an answer: No. According to Freedom House's rating system of political rights around the world, there were 49 nations in the world, as of 2015, that can be fairly categorized as "dictatorships." As of fiscal year 2015, the last year for which we have publicly available data, the federal government of the United States had been providing military assistance to 36 of them, courtesy of your tax dollars. The United States currently supports over 73 percent of the world's dictatorships!


http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/42020-us-provides-military-assistance-to-73-percent-of-world-s-dictatorships

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More revelations from the b man. 3-4 decades of fighting the culture wars and now the liberals are on to something.
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24 Sep 2017 14:22

Jagartrott wrote:Trump lecturing others on patriotism.
How many times did he dodge the draft?

You probably would have done the same. Educated and all. No?
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24 Sep 2017 14:30

blutto wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyLUIXWnrC0

?

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Best to hide in the past and wait for the end then.
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24 Sep 2017 15:28

Noticed today that a bunch of NFL players protested this morning at the game in London.

I thought copperhead's comments were funny but the president of the untied states should not say things like that calling them SOB's.
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24 Sep 2017 15:34

Semper Fidelis wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Trump lecturing others on patriotism.
How many times did he dodge the draft?

You probably would have done the same. Educated and all. No?

No idea, but I would then refrain from telling others they're not patriotic (and therefore should be fired).
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24 Sep 2017 15:41

Jagartrott wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Trump lecturing others on patriotism.
How many times did he dodge the draft?

You probably would have done the same. Educated and all. No?

No idea, but I would then refrain from telling others they're not patriotic (and therefore should be fired).

He said more than fired. ;)
Opinion the national anthem crap makes me angry. I could care less. The cure for this is not playing the national anthem at all. They should end it. I watch english football and unless they do it before the tv is broadcasting I don't think it is done.
For world cup and qualifiers / friendly's I know they do it because it is two nations playing each other. Also I get the podium for F1 or for Olympics. No problem.
But pro leagues in the USA should not do it.

Annnnnnd having a euro chime in about patriotism / the USA draft from back in the day is a bit like us merikans commenting on what a bunch of pansies live in Europe. Sorta out of your wheelhouse.
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24 Sep 2017 15:43

What would patriotism even mean.

All the above isnplaying on symbolism.
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24 Sep 2017 15:55

aphronesis wrote:What would patriotism even mean.

All the above isnplaying on symbolism.

That is my point No?

For me it is a large waste of time to play the national anthem before the games. People in the stands are chewing gum shooting the sh at with their pals, drinking beer having a good time. So why bother with such nonsense as it is as you say just symbolism. And it is not necessary.
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24 Sep 2017 16:41

Semper Fidelis wrote:
aphronesis wrote:What would patriotism even mean.

All the above isnplaying on symbolism.

That is my point No?

For me it is a large waste of time to play the national anthem before the games. People in the stands are chewing gum shooting the sh at with their pals, drinking beer having a good time. So why bother with such nonsense as it is as you say just symbolism. And it is not necessary.


Yeah, but it's a piece of commercialism that got voters where they are. And Trump plays all sides.
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24 Sep 2017 16:51

python wrote:Here’s why US missile defense probably won't protect us from a North Korea attack
http://www.businessinsider.com/north-korea-attack-might-not-be-defended-by-us-missile-defense-2017-9
I already posted similar links in the world politics thread. my interest is both geo-political and technical with as little spin as possible...that is, i seek a substantive, open-sourced and objective articles. that head line is almost unanimous in the expert analysis i saw. here's another objective and informative security analytical source for ANY non-tech reader

It's time national leaders speak realistically about missile defense.
http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/09/no-we-cannot-shoot-down-north-koreas-missiles/141070/?oref=d-dontmiss

this is why the bombast from the us/trump 'we will shoot your missile down' puzzles me so much :rolleyes: do the us officials try to save face by de facto lying to the american nation ? or they have no other choice having already spent about 300 bills on the practically useless weapon systems and knowing that very few, like myself, will attempt to dig for a the real story ??

and this is a threat from a hermite, economically broken and starving nation cut off from the latest technology :idea:

what about the chinese and russians ?

to me, these things defy the limits for of ANY military solution and the continued reliance on threats and intimidation like the us loves so much

I can't remember what news I was reading and need to go back and find the article. It was after the USA had launched a defense missile test and it was successful. The reporter pointed out the actual sucess rate / ration was not good at all. The General who was AirForce said he was confident they could intercept any missle from NK.
My thought was how the fork could he say that with a straight face.

Reminds me of the late 80's and 90's when they were first testing the Osprey for the USMC and then started using them even with the accident rate being through the roof. We called them the widow maker. NO ONE wanted to get into the F er.

Something most want know but President Obama had a personal one that was intended originally to take the place of MARINE 1. But he never got to ride in it. LMAO That price tag for that bird was HUGE. We won't see anyone here talking about that though because he had a blank check to do whatever he wanted. He was after all a Nobel Peace prize winner.
https://gizmodo.com/the-president-gets-a-personal-osprey-hes-not-allowed-t-1108783801
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24 Sep 2017 16:52

As a great accomplished fighter, w cred equal to Trump.. when I pick a fight it's surely to be with LeBron James or wimpy Steph Curry both chumps are sure victories for Donald or myself..
I mean is the best way to show you still have it.. you are a stud.. standard issue..pick a fight with the entire NFL.. not just the jacked up players..but pick a fight top to bottom were you insult the business model of the NFL.. insult a referee's wife?
Trump is a national disgrace.
Trump, the feeble word Smith he is gets one uped by the only world leader with worse hair..how could Jung Un make Trump look any stupider? It happened.
And as if we couldn't feel any more challenged.. Trump stands in front of a cheering room of Alabama knuckle draggers.." I understand the people of Alabama!!"and the crowd roars .. Trump and typical Alabamans have zero in common.. unless being backward is something Don and his crowd clowns share.
If the best way to calm our allies, is to get in an insult contest w a loony millennial w nuke weapons..OK.. If getting good jobs for Americans is to start a feud with pro sports leagues..? OK.. and if you want a comprehensive health plan for all Americans and you think the starting place is to talk about Hillary.. What do I know..? Maybe there is a method to his obvious madness..
I can only hope that Mr.Facebook can give the police proof that someone in the Trump clan approved the ads placed by their Russian friends..
Even if Trump walked off the job today..he has set us back 20 years.. with the pray the gay away crazies that follow his every command, to his staff using our money to charter jets for honeymoon trips and to watch the eclipse.. unfortunately not fake news.. why is Trump asking Jeff Sessions to investigate inauguration day protest organizers? Do we have the time and money for that?...no
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24 Sep 2017 16:58

Unchained wrote:As a great accomplished fighter, w cred equal to Trump.. when I pick a fight it's surely to be with LeBron James or wimpy Steph Curry both chumps are sure victories for Donald or myself..
I mean is the best way to show you still have it.. you are a stud.. standard issue..pick a fight with the entire NFL.. not just the jacked up players..but pick a fight top to bottom were you insult the business model of the NFL.. insult a referee's wife?
Trump is a national disgrace.
Trump, the feeble word Smith he is gets one uped by the only world leader with worse hair..how could Jung Un make Trump look any stupider? It happened.
And as if we couldn't feel any more challenged.. Trump stands in front of a cheering room of Alabama knuckle draggers.." I understand the people of Alabama!!"and the crowd roars .. Trump and typical Alabamans have zero in common.. unless being backward is something Don and his crowd clowns share.
If the best way to calm our allies, is to get in an insult contest w a loony millennial w nuke weapons..OK.. If getting good jobs for Americans is to start a feud with pro sports leagues..? OK.. and if you want a comprehensive health plan for all Americans and you think the starting place is to talk about Hillary.. What do I know..? Maybe there is a method to his obvious madness..
I can only hope that Mr.Facebook can give the police proof that someone in the Trump clan approved the ads placed by their Russian friends..
Even if Trump walked off the job today..he has set us back 20 years.. with the pray the gay away crazies that follow his every command, to his staff using our money to charter jets for honeymoon trips and to watch the eclipse.. unfortunately not fake news.. why is Trump asking Jeff Sessions to investigate inauguration day protest organizers? Do we have the time and money for that?...no

You should have flipped the text of your post. Would have been less predictable.

Having trouble concentrating on real issues like Russia I guess. Must be that PTSD you got from floating around painting and scraping on the quarterdeck.
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