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Re: U.S. Politics

17 May 2018 14:50

Bustedknuckle wrote:Scott SoCal
I keep hoping you aren’t quite as ill informed and blinded by pure hatred and racism as this post suggests.

I'm the racist, that's a new one but not unexpected from you..remember, I'm also sexist, unpatriotic, cuz I don't fawn over this dumm-ass like 'some' do.

Racism against whom? Knuckledragging white deplorables? Yup...ya know, those 'really fine people' who march with black shirts who yell, 'Jews won't control us"..those guys? Yup, got it.

How come you don't comment on the obvious trump idiocy, like the 2 'evangelicals' who were at the trump side show in Jerusalem? Ya know the ones who hate jews, mormons, the one who said katrina was NewOrlean's punishment for a 'homosexual march', who also said, 'Hitler was doing God's work', with regards to the holocast..comment please?

Didn't think so..


Very Trumpian

comment please?


I'll post as I like. Thanks.
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Re: U.S. Politics

17 May 2018 14:53

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Bustedknuckle wrote:Scott SoCal
I keep hoping you aren’t quite as ill informed and blinded by pure hatred and racism as this post suggests.

I'm the racist, that's a new one but not unexpected from you..remember, I'm also sexist, unpatriotic, cuz I don't fawn over this dumm-ass like 'some' do.

Racism against whom? Knuckledragging white deplorables? Yup...ya know, those 'really fine people' who march with black shirts who yell, 'Jews won't control us"..those guys? Yup, got it.

How come you don't comment on the obvious trump idiocy, like the 2 'evangelicals' who were at the trump side show in Jerusalem? Ya know the ones who hate jews, mormons, the one who said katrina was NewOrlean's punishment for a 'homosexual march', who also said, 'Hitler was doing God's work', with regards to the holocast..comment please?

Didn't think so..


Very Trumpian

comment please?


I'll post as I like. Thanks.


No kidding, only those things that support your boy..how about the aid's comment about McCain, 'he's going to die anyway'..I didn't hear an apology..did you?...Oh, I get it, you don't like those who were captured, either..got it.

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Re: U.S. Politics

17 May 2018 15:06

Bustedknuckle wrote:scott writes.
But I hear coup d’etats are big this year.


Yawn, back to that, 'deep state' soft coup, yawn..you forgot to mention Hillary..
Coup? No need, trump will hang himself, he does that almost everyday.
No comments on the daily shiteshow from trump land..all is good, particularly on the foreign front..did ya like the videos of unarmed Palestinians getting murdered by the Israeli ARMY...rush the fence, get shot. Very restrained don..your fault. I suppose you will say that Israel was 'just protecting itself'...from 12 year olds with rocks..


You froth at the mouth on this issue same as anything Trump. Hamas and Palestinian Authority had nothing to do with anything. Purely one party responsible.

Not sure who's posts are more unhinged;

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Re: U.S. Politics

17 May 2018 15:14

Bustedknuckle wrote:
Scott SoCal wrote:
Bustedknuckle wrote:Scott SoCal
I keep hoping you aren’t quite as ill informed and blinded by pure hatred and racism as this post suggests.

I'm the racist, that's a new one but not unexpected from you..remember, I'm also sexist, unpatriotic, cuz I don't fawn over this dumm-ass like 'some' do.

Racism against whom? Knuckledragging white deplorables? Yup...ya know, those 'really fine people' who march with black shirts who yell, 'Jews won't control us"..those guys? Yup, got it.

How come you don't comment on the obvious trump idiocy, like the 2 'evangelicals' who were at the trump side show in Jerusalem? Ya know the ones who hate jews, mormons, the one who said katrina was NewOrlean's punishment for a 'homosexual march', who also said, 'Hitler was doing God's work', with regards to the holocast..comment please?

Didn't think so..


Very Trumpian

comment please?


I'll post as I like. Thanks.


No kidding, only those things that support your boy..how about the aid's comment about McCain, 'he's going to die anyway'..I didn't hear an apology..did you?...Oh, I get it, you don't like those who were captured, either..got it.

IGNORE-ance


It was a disgusting and completely unnecessary comment.

Here's what I don't get... there is PLENTY of substantive issues where you could legitimately criticize Trump. Instead you pick the dumbest stuff to bolster your lopsided opinion.
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17 May 2018 16:02

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aphronesis wrote:Yeah unlike you, I’m sure they haven’t thought it through. Fortunately, you’re on the case to show the one true path for Western civilization. Everyone can sleep easy.


I doubt the council reads this board. Or anything on basic civics/economics for that matter.


Whoosh. You’re what? 10 for 10?. I wasn’t referring to them. Again, I’m sure you’re right. No doubt you’re more educated on economics and especially “basic” civics than everyone and anyone on the council. It’s all some feel good messaging from TV dramas and lifestyle magazines.


Nobody ever really knows what you are referring to at any given time, least of all you.

Time will tell how the head tax works out.

Thanks to Seattle's many thriving businesses, its revenue base has been growing much faster than its population. Unfortunately, the City Council is doing what it does best and, rather than look into streamlining and cutting its ineffective spending programs in order to combat Seattle's homeless problem, is looking for fresh cash. Seeing as large companies have it, the council set out to take it.


When the tax was initially proposed, the company announced that under those circumstances, it was going to pause construction planning for a new giant office tower on its new downtown campus. If you employed 40,000 people and realized that you might always be the target of revenue-addicted bureaucrats, you might do the same. But those who constantly lust over other people's money have no shame. A union-backed activist group named Working Washington immediately called for—wait for it—Amazon to be charged with a felony for the crime of "intimidating a public servant." Simply questioning whether its business expansion in Seattle would be a good idea in the face of an arbitrary and substantial increase of its labor costs was the alleged crime.


Of course, what Amazon did is no different from what many taxpayers do when taxes increase to cover poor money management. I, for instance, am in the process of deciding whether I really want to continue offering my home through Airbnb now that Arlington County, Virginia, requires a business license to rent a room in one's own home, a 7.25 percent tax and filing a monthly tax return for the unit.

Thank goodness, in Seattle, the state's attorney general stepped in and informed everyone that no crime had been committed and no legal action would be taken. Basically, it isn't illegal yet in Seattle to contemplate the best path for your business when the taxman comes after you. But a statement by a Working Washington spokesman should trouble the company, as it's an indication that this is only the beginning. It reads: "It is extraordinary that Amazon's subprime mob boss behavior was so brutal it ignited a citywide debate over whether it was actually criminal. All that because the richest man in the world wants to try to avoid stepping up to address our city's homelessness crisis."


There's no point talking about all the ways that statement is shocking and over-the-top scary. But it's worth noting that Amazon does its share when it comes to filling the Seattle treasury's coffers through its business and sales taxes, the income taxes paid by its 40,000 employees (up from 5,000 in 2010) and the real estate taxes they all pay. And never mind that Amazon has donated half of a six-story building to a homeless shelter, according to The New York Times, "providing it with 47,000 square feet of space with private rooms that can hold 65 families, or about 220 people and their pets."

Besides, this head tax won't be paid by Amazon. Companies don't pay taxes. People ultimately pay taxes. That means that this tax will come out of the wages of future employees, the bonuses and wage growth of current employees, the dividends of shareholders, and the pockets of customers, who will face higher prices.


Yep. Arrest Bezos for moving away from Seattle. Gee, I just can't seem to figure out why socialism doesn't work.

https://reason.com/archives/2018/05/17/the-seattle-head-tax-is-idiotic
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17 May 2018 16:10

It’s pretty basic Scott. I was referring to the other readers of the thread. Arguing with busted about crises of poor white male subjectivity is really taking a toll on the intelligence of your posts. Not a lot of running room left there. Don’t confuse what you don’t know with everyone else.

Which income tax is the author referring to there? State?

Oh dear, shareholders and customers might bear some brunt? Horrific! Maybe they’ll move to effect changes that will put it back on the companies. Or you Amazon could offshore to Sierra Leone.


You know when I see an article that gets going with “idiotic” I know I’m in the company of a heavy hitter.

Any diaper in a storm I guess.
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17 May 2018 16:26

I thought Julian Sanchez had a particularly good take on the Trump 'animals' comments.

I’m going to try to summon the patience that wasn’t in me last night on the off chance there’s someone out there who sincerely imagines the context here to be exculpatory. This is a textbook case of how dehumanizing and racist rhetoric works. The question references a hypothetical MS-13 member. Trump immediately pivots to a vaguer “people trying to come into the country” who we’re “taking out.” The point of that move is precisely to conflate groups: “people trying to come in” —> gang members —> “not people, animals.” Spend five minutes on any racist message board and you’ll find a dozen instances of the trope. There’s always some real crime by some specific member of a disfavored group that gets invoked to rationalize the move to talk about the more nebulous “they” who are animals and savages. But the specific case is always a pretext for indulging the generalization. But, of course, MS-13 isn’t representative of either the “people trying to come in” or the people being “taken out.” The point of the dehumanizing language is to reassure you it’s not necessary to think about who those people actually are.

Finally, even if we pretend the point here ISN’T precisely to blur the distinction between MS-13 and “people trying to come in”—even if we pretend he’s really JUST talking about MS-13 members, let’s note that the equation of crime with animality here is selective. On the occasions Trump finds time in his busy schedule to condemn murderers who aren’t brown, the focus is typically on the act, rather on what biological category it puts the perpetrator in. When a white supremacist murdered Heather Heyer in Charlottesville, we were enjoined to remember that there were “very fine people” on his side. It’s horror at brown criminals that gets expressed in language like “not even people, but animals.” When Rob Porter is very credibly accused of beating up women he’s dated, we need to pause and show empathy and consider how it may ruin a good person’s life if the charges are false. But those nebulous “people trying to come into the country” don’t require that sort of individualized consideration. We can casually talk about “bad people” and then dispense with the pretense of troubling ourselves about their humanity at all.

Last thing: What’s the point of that specific question? The “threshhold” the sheriff posing it finds so burdensome? He’s talking about ICE being concerned with specific serious criminal acts rather than the sheriff’s belief someone is associated with a gang. The point of Trump’s response is that we don’t need to fussily concern ourselves with bad ACTS when we know we’re dealing with “bad people,” and on second thought, indeed, not even really people at all.The point of is dehumanization & deindividualization at multiple levels. Don’t worry about showing criminal conduct by a particular individual, we know he’s one of the bad people. Don’t bother yourself about distinctions between that criminal group & “people trying to come in.” Such nice distinctions are for very fine human white supremacists and square-jawed domestic abusers with ivy league credentials. About animal herds, we can freely generalize.


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17 May 2018 16:32

“The dynamics we see in Seattle are an extreme example of dynamics we see in other very successful labor markets,” said Enrico Moretti, an economics professor at University of California, Berkeley, whose book “The New Geography of Jobs” explores the divergent paths of manufacturing hubs and technology cities. “These cities have a very good problem in terms of employment, and wages in particular.”

Moretti found that each new tech job creates four to five non-tech jobs over the next decade. Roughly 40 percent of the non-tech work is for professionals—think lawyers, doctors, architects—and the remaining 60 percent are non-professional, like Uber drivers, store clerks, or restaurant servers. “The labor market is a tide that lifts most boats, with one big issue,” Moretti paused, “the cost of living, of course.”

That’s because while there are more jobs across the spectrum, and generally rising wages, the supply of housing doesn’t keep up. Rather than slowing down Amazon and its ilk with a tax on jobs, Moretti said, cities should “accommodate as many housing units as possible, especially with transit.” Economically, he said, that makes the most sense. Whether it can pass political muster is another question.

As bad as the housing crunch is in Seattle—home prices have soared more than 14 percent in the past year—it is still adding more new units than other boom towns like San Francisco, said Jed Kolko, chief economist at Indeed. “More than any of the large metros, Seattle is building upwards rather than sprawling out,” Kolko said. The city has channeled new density and construction into to core areas, which are called “urban villages,” like parts of Ballard, where the town hall was held. But single-family zones, which account for a large portion of the city—have largely been sacrosanct.

"Normally, higher prices would induce more construction, but zoning laws prevent that," Glenn Kelman, CEO of Redfin Corp. wrote in a blog post on Tuesday. The Seattle-based real estate company did not sign on to a widely circulated petition opposing the tax, but Kelman did argue that it would ultimately fall short. "The amount of housing the city can build with a head tax, or any tax, is nominal," he wrote.



https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-15/behind-seattle-s-amazon-tax-seething-tensions-livid-neighbors-and-rising-rents

Each tech job creates 4 to 5 non-tech jobs over the next decade. Which means each tech job that leaves takes with it 4 to 5 non-tech jobs of the next decade.

Yeah, City Council is simply brilliant.
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17 May 2018 16:44

aphronesis wrote:It’s pretty basic Scott. I was referring to the other readers of the thread. Arguing with busted about crises of poor white male subjectivity is really taking a toll on the intelligence of your posts. Not a lot of running room left there. Don’t confuse what you don’t know with everyone else.

Which income tax is the author referring to there? State?

Oh dear, shareholders and customers might bear some brunt? Horrific! Maybe they’ll move to effect changes that will put it back on the companies. Or you Amazon could offshore to Sierra Leone.


You know when I see an article that gets going with “idiotic” I know I’m in the company of a heavy hitter.

Any diaper in a storm I guess.


Dunno. Probably have to ask the author.

Interesting how Washington's taxation works tho. Probably contributory to the rapid growth problem they are experiencing.
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17 May 2018 16:54

djpbaltimore wrote:I thought Julian Sanchez had a particularly good take on the Trump 'animals' comments.


<snip>

There’s always some real crime by some specific member of a disfavored group that gets invoked to rationalize the move to talk about the more nebulous “they” who are animals and savages. But the specific case is always a pretext for indulging the generalization. But, of course, MS-13 isn’t representative of either the “people trying to come in” or the people being “taken out.” The point of the dehumanizing language is to reassure you it’s not necessary to think about who those people actually are.

<snip>




"OBTW..illegal immigrant community have a far lower crime rate than your good ole white boys..funny that, facts but please continue to ignore..good enough for your boy, good enough for you....."

"Racism against whom? Knuckledragging white deplorables? Yup...ya know, those 'really fine people' who march with black shirts who yell, 'Jews won't control us"..those guys? Yup, got it....."


Evidence of what you are impressed by right here on this thread. By a Trump hater no less.
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17 May 2018 17:06

Scott SoCal wrote:
aphronesis wrote:It’s pretty basic Scott. I was referring to the other readers of the thread. Arguing with busted about crises of poor white male subjectivity is really taking a toll on the intelligence of your posts. Not a lot of running room left there. Don’t confuse what you don’t know with everyone else.

Which income tax is the author referring to there? State?

Oh dear, shareholders and customers might bear some brunt? Horrific! Maybe they’ll move to effect changes that will put it back on the companies. Or you Amazon could offshore to Sierra Leone.


You know when I see an article that gets going with “idiotic” I know I’m in the company of a heavy hitter.

Any diaper in a storm I guess.


Dunno. Probably have to ask the author.

Interesting how Washington's taxation works tho. Probably contributory to the rapid growth problem they are experiencing.



You quoted them. I thought you knew what they meant. So it’s not just me: you look at most peoples’ words and don’t fully know what they’re saying. Got it.

It’s part of the problem, but not the whole. But we (that means the board, not the city council) know you’re not interested in complex historical issues. Nor is the blogger you quoted
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17 May 2018 17:11

Bustedknuckle wrote:trump the racist...the real disgrace..he is such a dummy.
We have people coming into the country, or trying to come in -- and we’re stopping a lot of them -- but we’re taking people out of the country. You wouldn’t believe how bad these people are. These aren’t people. These are animals.


https://www.vox.com/2018/5/16/17362870/trump-immigrants-animals-ms-13-context-why




"A woman at the roundtable first brought up MS-13, asserting, “there can be an MS-13 member I know about, if they don’t reach a certain threshold I cannot tell ICE about them.”

Trump’s remarks about “bad…people” and “animals” were in direct response to her comments.

Nonetheless, there is a long list of people who fell for the misleading CSPAN clip."





Fake news strikes again. Trump was talking specifically about MS13.



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17 May 2018 17:12

I'm pretty sure the violent crimes of immigrants (legal and non) against citizens is far less than citizen on citizen violent crime (I'll check stats tonight after work, and report back with the sauce). Trump is just shilling to his ignorant, racist base as usual.
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17 May 2018 17:16

aphronesis wrote:
Scott SoCal wrote:
aphronesis wrote:It’s pretty basic Scott. I was referring to the other readers of the thread. Arguing with busted about crises of poor white male subjectivity is really taking a toll on the intelligence of your posts. Not a lot of running room left there. Don’t confuse what you don’t know with everyone else.

Which income tax is the author referring to there? State?

Oh dear, shareholders and customers might bear some brunt? Horrific! Maybe they’ll move to effect changes that will put it back on the companies. Or you Amazon could offshore to Sierra Leone.


You know when I see an article that gets going with “idiotic” I know I’m in the company of a heavy hitter.

Any diaper in a storm I guess.


Dunno. Probably have to ask the author.

Interesting how Washington's taxation works tho. Probably contributory to the rapid growth problem they are experiencing.



You quoted them. I thought you knew what they meant. So it’s not just me: you look at most peoples’ words and don’t fully know what they’re saying. Got it.

It’s part of the problem, but not the whole. But we (that means the board, not the city council) know you’re not interested in complex historical issues. Nor is the blogger you quoted


I'm not interested in your inanities, that much is true.

There's no income tax in Washington State. I can assume his meaning to be sales tax but I don't really know and it doesn't change his point in the least. 40,000 Amazon employees are paying the 9% sales tax of which about 1/3 of that goes directly to the city.

Did you get that or shall I type slower?
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17 May 2018 17:21

GraftPunk wrote:I'm pretty sure the violent crimes of immigrants (legal and non) against citizens is far less than citizen on citizen violent crime (I'll check stats tonight after work, and report back with the sauce). Trump is just shilling to his ignorant, racist base as usual.




This is a walking/chewing gum at the same time issue. Any crime committed by somebody here illegally is addressable first by immigration policy. If illegal entry isn't permitted then there is no crime by illegals. Conversely your argument could be to simply open the borders to reduce crime.
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17 May 2018 17:23

I knew all that before you made this your cause of the day.

So type however you want. Have a smoke. Whatever. Maybe DJ will come play and then you can argue about Trump and the oppression of whitey some more. For sure that’s well above the inane .
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17 May 2018 17:42

aphronesis wrote:I knew all that before you made this your cause of the day.

So type however you want. Have a smoke. Whatever. Maybe DJ will come play and then you can argue about Trump and the oppression of whitey some more. For sure that’s well above the inane .


You should sticky this to the beginning of all your posts.
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17 May 2018 17:56

I would, but that’s arrogant and I try not to be except when people act like playground thugs.

The (a) difference between you and I is that I try to approach most people as if they know everything I do and more. Not as if they’re stupid and don’t know, say civics or economics as I do. Sometimes I’m disappointed. Some people want to wallow in their bitterness and cynicism or need to be told what to do and/or start lashing out personally when they can’t make sense of something according to their cliches. Some people run with it and that’s exciting to watch.


It’s cool. I can handle it either way.
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17 May 2018 18:03

aphronesis wrote:I would, but that’s arrogant and I try not to be except when people act like playground thugs.

The (a) difference between you and I is that I try to approach most people as if they know everything I do and more. Not as if they’re stupid and don’t know, say civics or economics as I do. Sometimes I’m disappointed. Some people want to wallow in their bitterness and cynicism or need to be told what to do and/or start lashing out personally when they can’t make sense of something according to their cliches. Some people run with it and that’s exciting to watch.


It’s cool. I can handle it either way.


Completely obvious from your posts.

It’s cool. I can handle it either way.


Clearly.
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17 May 2018 18:10

I guess Gallup doesn't have Busted's phone number.

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Thirty-seven percent of Americans are satisfied with the way things are going in the country today, up from 29% in April. Gallup has not measured a higher level of satisfaction since a 39% reading in late September 2005


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