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Re: U.S. Politics

19 May 2017 10:39

.....how fukced is the CNN mindset ?....

+ CNN, in remarking on Trump’s interviewing of Lieberman for the FBI post, said White House is at least creating “a semblance of normalcy.”


....the response....

Return to chaos please!


http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/the-secret-sharer/

...and more on the laser sharp efforts by the MSM crowd to get to the truth ( as opposed to the convoluted mess that it is ).....

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/seth-rich-craig-murray-and-the-sinister-stewards-of-the-national-security-state/

....and of course there is this to consider....

May 19, 2017
Irrefutable Proof: Russian Election Meddling Documented!

by Fred Gardner

For months we have all been force-fed a story few of us can digest about the hacking of the Democratic Party’s email servers, presumably by Russians commanded by Vladimir Putin himself. The pundits say, “Nothing like this happens in Russia without Putin’s approval,” as if they actually knew what was done by who.

It is unclear how the contents of the DNC emails are supposed to have swayed the US electorate. Was anyone shocked to learn that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign managers were manipulative, lame, and fearful of Bernie Sanders?

The current brouhaha is utterly trivial compared to the extreme, direct interference by US government-connected campaign professionals in the election that solidified oligarchy in the former Soviet Union.* Ahoy, out there in the United States of Amnesia… Does anyone remember when Time Magazine was influential?

A team of US political consultants operating clandestinely in Moscow was paid $250,000 plus expenses to help a very unpopular Boris Yeltsin get re-elected as Russia’s president in 1996. After Yeltsin’s victory a Time Magazine cover story credited the consultants with engineering it. “Yanks to the Rescue: The Secret Story of how American Advisers Helped Yeltsin Win,” ran the text under a graphic of Yeltsin holding a little stars-and-stripes flag

ABC News on “Nightline” also glorified the consultants’ exploits. In due course, so did a Showtime movie starring Jeff Goldblum, Anthony LaPaglia and Liev Schreiber
.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/irrefutable-proof-russian-election-meddling-documented/

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19 May 2017 11:24

red_flanders wrote:For a lucid discussion of Trumps current crises, this is outstanding. Never mind the title, it's not what the spin doctors will assume. Take some time and listen.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-path-to-impeachment

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19 May 2017 11:26

Jagartrott wrote:Merckx Index' post contains an example of Trump denying or refuting what he said earlier.
He's contradicting himself so often, Youtube compilations exist.

He just doesn't seem to care.

This has something to do with the delivery.

A big brained scientist like you should understand that.
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19 May 2017 11:41

Man, the hysteria: can't stop won't stop.
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Re: U.S. Politics

19 May 2017 11:46

blutto wrote:.....how fukced is the CNN mindset ?....

+ CNN, in remarking on Trump’s interviewing of Lieberman for the FBI post, said White House is at least creating “a semblance of normalcy.”


....the response....

Return to chaos please!


http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/the-secret-sharer/

...and more on the laser sharp efforts by the MSM crowd to get to the truth ( as opposed to the convoluted mess that it is ).....

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/seth-rich-craig-murray-and-the-sinister-stewards-of-the-national-security-state/

....and of course there is this to consider....

May 19, 2017
Irrefutable Proof: Russian Election Meddling Documented!

by Fred Gardner

For months we have all been force-fed a story few of us can digest about the hacking of the Democratic Party’s email servers, presumably by Russians commanded by Vladimir Putin himself. The pundits say, “Nothing like this happens in Russia without Putin’s approval,” as if they actually knew what was done by who.

It is unclear how the contents of the DNC emails are supposed to have swayed the US electorate. Was anyone shocked to learn that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign managers were manipulative, lame, and fearful of Bernie Sanders?

The current brouhaha is utterly trivial compared to the extreme, direct interference by US government-connected campaign professionals in the election that solidified oligarchy in the former Soviet Union.* Ahoy, out there in the United States of Amnesia… Does anyone remember when Time Magazine was influential?

A team of US political consultants operating clandestinely in Moscow was paid $250,000 plus expenses to help a very unpopular Boris Yeltsin get re-elected as Russia’s president in 1996. After Yeltsin’s victory a Time Magazine cover story credited the consultants with engineering it. “Yanks to the Rescue: The Secret Story of how American Advisers Helped Yeltsin Win,” ran the text under a graphic of Yeltsin holding a little stars-and-stripes flag

ABC News on “Nightline” also glorified the consultants’ exploits. In due course, so did a Showtime movie starring Jeff Goldblum, Anthony LaPaglia and Liev Schreiber
.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/irrefutable-proof-russian-election-meddling-documented/

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19 May 2017 11:49

Semper Fidelis wrote:
red_flanders wrote:For a lucid discussion of Trumps current crises, this is outstanding. Never mind the title, it's not what the spin doctors will assume. Take some time and listen.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-path-to-impeachment

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All I know of Sam Harris is that 1. He is an Islamophobe. 2. He got schooled by Chomsky.
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19 May 2017 12:00

Semper Fidelis wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Merckx Index' post contains an example of Trump denying or refuting what he said earlier.
He's contradicting himself so often, Youtube compilations exist.

He just doesn't seem to care.

This has something to do with the delivery.

A big brained scientist like you should understand that.
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No, I don't understand. Would you trust a guy that flips his opinion constantly? Even among politicians, he's extreme in that regard. No-one will trust him in the end, not even his own staff.
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19 May 2017 12:22

Jagartrott wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Merckx Index' post contains an example of Trump denying or refuting what he said earlier.
He's contradicting himself so often, Youtube compilations exist.

He just doesn't seem to care.

This has something to do with the delivery.

A big brained scientist like you should understand that.
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No, I don't understand. Would you trust a guy that flips his opinion constantly? Even among politicians, he's extreme in that regard. No-one will trust him in the end, not even his own staff.


....well there is this ...."When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".....as compared to say a case hardened ideologue ( which btw plays much more better on the big screen where the good guys/bad guys black/white is the preferred script outline ).....

.... I'm guessing you lean to the latter..?...

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Re: U.S. Politics

19 May 2017 12:28

TDS..the hits just keep on comin....wonder who donnie's lawyer will be.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/the-trump-derangement-syndrome-dodge/527154
Americans can’t help but see that he is erratic, and that his domestic agenda has stalled bigly. He can claim that no politician has ever been treated more unfairly. But we can’t help but know that Ronald Reagan was shot and that John F. Kennedy was killed.

That’s why pro-Trump and anti-anti-Trump commentators have adapted.

As the weeks pass, they spend less time making positive arguments for the president and more time hiding behind the talking point that his critics are overwrought. Unhinged. Hysterical. Suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Don’t look here, at the president who shared too much information with Russian diplomats in an Oval Office meeting. Look there at an excessive reaction to it.
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Re: U.S. Politics

19 May 2017 12:32

But in their offices, gyms and cloakrooms, lawmakers and their staff members pondered with colleagues the speed and depth of Mr. Trump’s careening presidency. Republicans privately fretted that their bosses would have little to brag about when they spent August back in their home states. “Drama is not helpful in getting things done,” Mr. Ryan conceded.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/us/politics/republican-alternate-legislative-universe.html?ribbon-ad-idx=3&rref=politics&module=Ribbon&version=context&region=Header&action=click&contentCollection=Politics&pgtype=article
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19 May 2017 12:33

Jagartrott wrote:Merckx Index' post contains an example of Trump denying or refuting what he said earlier.
He's contradicting himself so often, Youtube compilations exist.

He just doesn't seem to care.


More or less than CNN, WaPo an the Times?

Comey under oath on May 3. That's actually after the "obstruction" memo in Fedruary. Listen carefully.

https://youtu.be/o-dW59Fu1hg

The key phrase..."not in my experience." Seems pretty definitive.

Yet another turd in a punch bowl from the MSM and colluding politicians along with 4th branch strategic leakers. It's pathetic but then what's new?
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19 May 2017 12:39

blutto wrote:....well there is this ...."When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".....as compared to say a case hardened ideologue ( which btw plays much more better on the big screen where the good guys/bad guys black/white is the preferred script outline ).....

Facts change mid-sentence in Trump's case.
He's a real fact-focused person, correct. From day 1 (biggest inauguration crowd ever) up to the present day, amazing.
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Re: U.S. Politics

19 May 2017 12:51

blutto wrote:.....how fukced is the CNN mindset ?....

+ CNN, in remarking on Trump’s interviewing of Lieberman for the FBI post, said White House is at least creating “a semblance of normalcy.”


....the response....

Return to chaos please!


http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/the-secret-sharer/

...and more on the laser sharp efforts by the MSM crowd to get to the truth ( as opposed to the convoluted mess that it is ).....

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/seth-rich-craig-murray-and-the-sinister-stewards-of-the-national-security-state/

....and of course there is this to consider....

May 19, 2017
Irrefutable Proof: Russian Election Meddling Documented!

by Fred Gardner

For months we have all been force-fed a story few of us can digest about the hacking of the Democratic Party’s email servers, presumably by Russians commanded by Vladimir Putin himself. The pundits say, “Nothing like this happens in Russia without Putin’s approval,” as if they actually knew what was done by who.

It is unclear how the contents of the DNC emails are supposed to have swayed the US electorate. Was anyone shocked to learn that Mrs. Clinton’s campaign managers were manipulative, lame, and fearful of Bernie Sanders?

The current brouhaha is utterly trivial compared to the extreme, direct interference by US government-connected campaign professionals in the election that solidified oligarchy in the former Soviet Union.* Ahoy, out there in the United States of Amnesia… Does anyone remember when Time Magazine was influential?

A team of US political consultants operating clandestinely in Moscow was paid $250,000 plus expenses to help a very unpopular Boris Yeltsin get re-elected as Russia’s president in 1996. After Yeltsin’s victory a Time Magazine cover story credited the consultants with engineering it. “Yanks to the Rescue: The Secret Story of how American Advisers Helped Yeltsin Win,” ran the text under a graphic of Yeltsin holding a little stars-and-stripes flag

ABC News on “Nightline” also glorified the consultants’ exploits. In due course, so did a Showtime movie starring Jeff Goldblum, Anthony LaPaglia and Liev Schreiber
.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/19/irrefutable-proof-russian-election-meddling-documented/

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19 May 2017 12:55

Jagartrott wrote:
blutto wrote:....well there is this ...."When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?".....as compared to say a case hardened ideologue ( which btw plays much more better on the big screen where the good guys/bad guys black/white is the preferred script outline ).....

Facts change mid-sentence in Trump's case.
He's a real fact-focused person, correct. From day 1 (biggest inauguration crowd ever) up to the present day, amazing.


I'm just curious where all the hyper-sensitivity was when the last guy was in office. So this is pure ideology... which is boring.
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19 May 2017 12:59

aphronesis wrote:Man, the hysteria: can't stop won't stop.


It's accelerating.

The real fun will start when all this made-up BS fizzles out. I think that's when those that won't accept the results of a free election are truly going to become dangerous.

Any self awareness is now gone. Combine that with crazy and that will be a show.
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19 May 2017 13:03

BullsFan22 wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
red_flanders wrote:For a lucid discussion of Trumps current crises, this is outstanding. Never mind the title, it's not what the spin doctors will assume. Take some time and listen.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-path-to-impeachment

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All I know of Sam Harris is that 1. He is an Islamophobe. 2. He got schooled by Chomsky.


Come on. If it's negative regarding all things Trump then it's credible. This from the science community.
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19 May 2017 13:11

Chris Cuomo, CNN, question to Dyck Durbin pushing a fake news narrative;

"We are living a very big moment right now. How will lawmakers respond to the president’s clear intent to influence this Russian investigation, even after the appointment of a special counsel?”

Of course I'm sure the J-off considers himself to be a straight arrow jurno with impeccable cred.
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19 May 2017 13:19

Dershowitz;

Consider the worst-case scenario that the Trump campaign worked closely with the Russians to ensure his election. It probably didn’t happen, but even if it had, there would be nothing criminal about it. It would be wrong and voters would be right to consider this and make them pay a political price. But it is not the role of the special counsel to expose wrongdoings — only to investigate and prosecute crime. And not all wrongdoing is criminal: coordination with the Russians is simply not a crime.


The same is true of providing Russians with secret intel that may have endangered sources and methods of an ally — Israel. It was wrong, but it was not a crime. The special counsel has no jurisdiction to investigate or prosecute this important blunder — if it occurred.

Finally, there is the allegation of obstruction of justice growing out of President Trump’s firing of FBI Director James Comey and his alleged request to Comey to “let it go” with regard to his fired national security advisor Michael Flynn. None of this, in my view, rises to the level of criminal obstruction, because all of the president’s actions were within his constitutional and statutory authority. But even if it were a crime, it is unlikely that a sitting president could be indicted and prosecuted for what is alleged against Trump.

Nor does the special counsel have the authority to draw up a bill of impeachment, even if one were warranted — which it is not, at least on the basis of the available evidence. That authority resides in the House of Representatives.

So what will the special prosecutor be doing? The short answer is that we don’t know and may never know, because he will be operating in secret. His most powerful weapon will be the grand jury, which has the power to subpoena witnesses to be questioned without their lawyers behind closed doors. It is a crime to disclose or leak grand jury testimony (except in special situations).

At the end of his super secret investigations, the special counsel has essentially three options: he can issue indictments and prosecute the defendants, he can issue a statement that no indictments are warranted and close down his investigation, or he can issue a report.

If he were to issue a report, it would be one-sided and based on an investigation not geared towards knowing the whole truth, but rather to develop and present to the grand jury sufficient evidence to show probable cause that a crime may have been committed. The grand jury hears only one side — the prosecutor’s. A report, based on no criminal investigation, is likely to be one-sided and incomplete.

It would have been far better for this country if Congress had appointed a non-partisan investigatory commission to uncover the whole truth, including non-criminal wrongdoing, not only on the part of the Trump campaign and administration, but also on the part of those current and former intelligence officials who willfully leaked classified and highly secret information to the media.


http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/334100-opinion-a-special-counsel-is-the-wrong-way-to-uncover

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Re: U.S. Politics

19 May 2017 13:51

Lotsa TDS above..pretty funny..below why adolf is worried..or should be but he's not smart enough to know.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/05/18/james-comey-trump-special-prosecutor-robert-mueller-fbi-215154

Only one person to blame for this chaos and his name is don.
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19 May 2017 14:00

BullsFan22 wrote:
Semper Fidelis wrote:
red_flanders wrote:For a lucid discussion of Trumps current crises, this is outstanding. Never mind the title, it's not what the spin doctors will assume. Take some time and listen.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-path-to-impeachment

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All I know of Sam Harris is that 1. He is an Islamophobe. 2. He got schooled by Chomsky.


Not sure why anyone would be eager to tout their ignorance of someone then offer grand conclusions about things which would require a detailed understanding of Harris' views. The islamaphobe comment is absolutele nonsense. His understanding of the religion is incredibly sophisticated and nuanced. Dismissing his views in this way is quite simply ignorant. I have read enough Chomsky to know he's a very smart guy. Let's just say I don't agree with many of his conclusions or observations.

Maybe just listen to the podcast and address the points made instead of attacking Harris, who does very little of the talking anyway.

And now Semper is against commerce. Got it.

i hope someone bothered to listen to it. If not, oh well.

(sorry about the proper name - Red)
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