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14 Jul 2017 20:34

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Brullnux wrote:I get attacking Trump for his policies and gaffes, but people are now saying that trump telling Brigitte Macron she is in good shape is sexist (and creepy)? Come on, that's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure that's meant to be taken as a fairly normal compliment
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There's no such thing as a normal compliment given the sleazy terrible things that POTUS Donald Trump has said repeatedly and with nauseating frequency about women.

Just look at some of his past horror-quotes about women:

Donald Trump Tweeted About Helping Women Reach Their "Full Potential," and The Internet Is Not Amused


We all have our shortcomings, right Joe?
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14 Jul 2017 20:35

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It is the dumbest safe space safety pin move yet.
Agreed, Trump's decision to start blocking prominent US critics from his Twitter was both stupid and indicative of his thin-skinned desperate need for a safe space.


You block anybody from your twitter? Maybe everyone should be unable to block anybody.
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14 Jul 2017 20:51

The abiding enigma of this tormented era remains: why has the thinking class of America abandoned thinking? The answer is: it’s the reaction to their own failure. Failure to do what? To produce the utopia that Gnostic liberalism promised — a perfect world based on altering human nature.

The result is an essentially religious hysteria, like the witch frenzies of Medieval Europe that were sometimes provoked by ergot poisoning — a fungus with toxic psychotropic properties that grew on the harvested rye, inducing frightful hallucinations in the villagers, who then lashed out at their perceived supernatural antagonists. Trump in our time is the ergot on the bread of our politics. And Russia is the witch.

Like other operations of the human mind, this collective fugue-state has a big subconscious module in it: the deep, poorly articulated fear that the signal notion of Progress behind progressive politics in the industrial era has reached a dead end. The world is clearly not becoming a better place, but rather reeling into disorder and ecological crisis, despite all the rational programs and politics of modern democracy, and political failure is everywhere.


It’s not surprising that some of the worst thinking, the most obviously tortured theological hallucinations, emanate these days from the universities — the places where young, developing intellects are supposed to be molded. Instead of free inquiry, they now offer intellectual martial law, chained to sets of ersatz metaphysics. “Victim” ideas run wild because malign supernatural powers are in play against the faculty hierophants on the elite campuses, charged with interpreting the sacred mysteries and esoteric principles of “post-structural” (reality-optional) thought. The quandaries of “minority” America have resolved in the simple superstitious idea that demonic forces of “white male privilege” and ubiquitous, implacable misogynistic racism are entirely responsible for the woes and sorrows of the world, and the failure of progress in particular.


http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/holy-hell/
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14 Jul 2017 23:20

Jagartrott wrote:SF seems to think that stream-of-conciousness typing including routinely getting personal with others in the discussion is making for good debate. I blame the American education system, obviously.


...and yeah speaking of, been wondering what your excuse is for a while now....?.....any clues ?....

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14 Jul 2017 23:22

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Jagartrott wrote:SF seems to think that stream-of-conciousness typing including routinely getting personal with others in the discussion is making for good debate. I blame the American education system, obviously.


Could be. It could also be a health issue.


....yeah he probably is sick of the nonsense youse guys routinely spew all over this thread....just sayin' eh...

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Re: U.S. Politics

14 Jul 2017 23:28

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14 Jul 2017 23:31

Scott SoCal wrote:
The abiding enigma of this tormented era remains: why has the thinking class of America abandoned thinking? The answer is: it’s the reaction to their own failure. Failure to do what? To produce the utopia that Gnostic liberalism promised — a perfect world based on altering human nature.

The result is an essentially religious hysteria, like the witch frenzies of Medieval Europe that were sometimes provoked by ergot poisoning — a fungus with toxic psychotropic properties that grew on the harvested rye, inducing frightful hallucinations in the villagers, who then lashed out at their perceived supernatural antagonists. Trump in our time is the ergot on the bread of our politics. And Russia is the witch.

Like other operations of the human mind, this collective fugue-state has a big subconscious module in it: the deep, poorly articulated fear that the signal notion of Progress behind progressive politics in the industrial era has reached a dead end. The world is clearly not becoming a better place, but rather reeling into disorder and ecological crisis, despite all the rational programs and politics of modern democracy, and political failure is everywhere.


It’s not surprising that some of the worst thinking, the most obviously tortured theological hallucinations, emanate these days from the universities — the places where young, developing intellects are supposed to be molded. Instead of free inquiry, they now offer intellectual martial law, chained to sets of ersatz metaphysics. “Victim” ideas run wild because malign supernatural powers are in play against the faculty hierophants on the elite campuses, charged with interpreting the sacred mysteries and esoteric principles of “post-structural” (reality-optional) thought. The quandaries of “minority” America have resolved in the simple superstitious idea that demonic forces of “white male privilege” and ubiquitous, implacable misogynistic racism are entirely responsible for the woes and sorrows of the world, and the failure of progress in particular.


http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/holy-hell/


A little over the top in the last paragraph and simplistic in the bolded. Among other things the author clearly has no idea what "post-structuralism" might have been or its usefulness in postwar thought--thereby interpretations. In fact I'd say it falls into a lot of the same bias traps you find in "leftism".
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14 Jul 2017 23:37

Scott SoCal wrote:
The abiding enigma of this tormented era remains: why has the thinking class of America abandoned thinking? The answer is: it’s the reaction to their own failure. Failure to do what? To produce the utopia that Gnostic liberalism promised — a perfect world based on altering human nature.

The result is an essentially religious hysteria, like the witch frenzies of Medieval Europe that were sometimes provoked by ergot poisoning — a fungus with toxic psychotropic properties that grew on the harvested rye, inducing frightful hallucinations in the villagers, who then lashed out at their perceived supernatural antagonists. Trump in our time is the ergot on the bread of our politics. And Russia is the witch.

Like other operations of the human mind, this collective fugue-state has a big subconscious module in it: the deep, poorly articulated fear that the signal notion of Progress behind progressive politics in the industrial era has reached a dead end. The world is clearly not becoming a better place, but rather reeling into disorder and ecological crisis, despite all the rational programs and politics of modern democracy, and political failure is everywhere.


It’s not surprising that some of the worst thinking, the most obviously tortured theological hallucinations, emanate these days from the universities — the places where young, developing intellects are supposed to be molded. Instead of free inquiry, they now offer intellectual martial law, chained to sets of ersatz metaphysics. “Victim” ideas run wild because malign supernatural powers are in play against the faculty hierophants on the elite campuses, charged with interpreting the sacred mysteries and esoteric principles of “post-structural” (reality-optional) thought. The quandaries of “minority” America have resolved in the simple superstitious idea that demonic forces of “white male privilege” and ubiquitous, implacable misogynistic racism are entirely responsible for the woes and sorrows of the world, and the failure of progress in particular.


http://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/holy-hell/


....just finished reading that article.....really great rant....thank you...would be a gas to teleport all the other stooges , and Kunstler, to join SF at Tipitina's tonight....add the odd libation or two or several, and great fun would most likely ensue well into the morning.....its a nice dream eh, I really like nice dreams...

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15 Jul 2017 01:14

The new USA budget includes a $45 Billion for opioid addiction treatment! :eek: My first thought is why aren't the pharmaceutical companies who made Billions while creating this mess paying?! There is a lot of dejavu here! How did the pharma companies get off of the hook? :mad:
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15 Jul 2017 01:37

"Health" care is the fast growing economy since the crash. I'd be curious to see the alternatives that the "open market" comes up with. Not sure who would pay though.
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15 Jul 2017 10:49

I would love to see some follow-up on this one. A 79 year old CIA agent has only a few weeks to live and has stated that he was part of a four-man team on project "New Century" to take down WTC-7 on 9/11. http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-agent-confesses-on-deathbed-we-blew-up-wtc7-on-911/5599298

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15 Jul 2017 13:06

aphronesis wrote:"Health" care is the fast growing economy since the crash. I'd be curious to see the alternatives that the "open market" comes up with. Not sure who would pay though.


....speaking of, here is an interesting headline....

US ranked worst healthcare system, while the NHS is the best


https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140698-us-ranked-worst-healthcare-system-while-the-nhs-is-the-best/

....so the story so far....biggest cash outlay, worst result....aren't market solutions just grand, like so much better than government solutions eh....especially important when dealing with the biggest expense a modern society incurs where one would think cost-effectiveness would really matter....

...read, the US medical industrial complex is the biggest waste of money of all time ( and the biggest by far contributor to yearly Merikan mortality tolls ) ....in fact its an even bigger waste of money than the Merikan military industrial complex ( where monies spent have half the multiplier effect than if the money was simply given away on the street )....

.....proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that relying on the corporate sector to provide cost effective solutions to big problems is a colossal joke....sort of like the joke the Laffer Curve is ( never has a theory been so aptly named....the team has came up with that moniker must have laughed themselves silly on the way to the bank.... )....

...did I mention biggest waste of money of all time....?......

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15 Jul 2017 13:09

ScienceIsCool wrote:I would love to see some follow-up on this one. A 79 year old CIA agent has only a few weeks to live and has stated that he was part of a four-man team on project "New Century" to take down WTC-7 on 9/11. http://www.globalresearch.ca/cia-agent-confesses-on-deathbed-we-blew-up-wtc7-on-911/5599298

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...call me a conspiracy nut but this isn't the biggest surprise I experienced this morning....the biggest you ask ?...the number of cardinals at our feeder ( you know just to put things into a cold hard perspective )....

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15 Jul 2017 13:32

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15 Jul 2017 13:34

....so getting back to how big a waste of money the Merikan medical industrial scam is....

...and this has to do with this thingee they call opportunity cost ( where you look at what else can be done with a resource or cash outlay )....

...it has been estimated that it would take approximately 2% of the world GDP to replace fossil fuel energy sources with renewable ones ( and as a result save the human habitat on this planet...which is as you might guess kinda important... )....

....the amount of money that the Merikan medical system spends on "administrative" costs vs the equivalent spending on same by government run single payer system amounts to a difference equivalent to 1.2% of the world GDP.....

...so if you could magically change the Merikan system to an equivalent of a government single payer system you would not only have a system that would extend coverage to all Americans ( which is great ).....but but....you would save enough money to almost single handily fund the change of energy supply systems of the entire planet to renewables....and in the process save the human race ( which would be the greatest accomplishment the human race has ever achieved )....

...really amazing how our current idiotic concentration on market forces blinds to some pretty stark and ugly realities....or as the saw says "Money makes you stupid !"....

...thank you, thank you very much....

...and btw changing energy systems would yield huge economic activity and produce a lot of profit ...so even the stupid markets would make out like bandits....but no, some folks want the money tied up in their little scam, and fukc everyone, and I mean everyone else....

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...edit...as long as we are snapping fingers...if the Merikan military budget were reduced to a more reasonable amount, say 2.5% of GDP, those monies, along with the reallocated monies from the medical industrial complex scam, would just about be what is needed to take the entire world from fossil fuels to renewables....

....just sayin' eh...
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Re: U.S. Politics

15 Jul 2017 13:59



...fixed it for you...and no need to thank me, just part of the humanitarian service I routinely provide for man kind...

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Re: U.S. Politics

15 Jul 2017 14:52

hubba hubba..too bad Macron and Melania was there..altho donnie likes 'em young....slob..

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/342159-reebok-mocks-trumps-compliments-of-macrons-wife
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15 Jul 2017 16:41

We all might be thankful one day that Macron is stealing Trump away from Putin - flatter the man and make him feel important, then bring him in to the "non-oligarchy" world.
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15 Jul 2017 17:02

Robert5091 wrote:We all might be thankful one day that Macron is stealing Trump away from Putin - flatter the man and make him feel important, then bring him in to the "non-oligarchy" world.



I think it's Macron's mom's high school friend....errr....Macron's wife, that's taking Trump away from Putin.
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15 Jul 2017 22:50

blutto wrote:
aphronesis wrote:"Health" care is the fast growing economy since the crash. I'd be curious to see the alternatives that the "open market" comes up with. Not sure who would pay though.


....speaking of, here is an interesting headline....

US ranked worst healthcare system, while the NHS is the best


https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140698-us-ranked-worst-healthcare-system-while-the-nhs-is-the-best/

....so the story so far....biggest cash outlay, worst result....aren't market solutions just grand, like so much better than government solutions eh....especially important when dealing with the biggest expense a modern society incurs where one would think cost-effectiveness would really matter....

...read, the US medical industrial complex is the biggest waste of money of all time ( and the biggest by far contributor to yearly Merikan mortality tolls ) ....in fact its an even bigger waste of money than the Merikan military industrial complex ( where monies spent have half the multiplier effect than if the money was simply given away on the street )....

.....proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that relying on the corporate sector to provide cost effective solutions to big problems is a colossal joke....sort of like the joke the Laffer Curve is ( never has a theory been so aptly named....the team has came up with that moniker must have laughed themselves silly on the way to the bank.... )....

...did I mention biggest waste of money of all time....?......

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