Libertine Seguros wrote:Easily my favourite piece of poetry, and one of the most powerful pieces of literature anywhere:
The Hitch wrote:There was a couple of years back some major honour or award (cant remember what exactly) bestowed on Salman Rushdie.
Too celebrate this there was a - in conversation with Salman Rushdie type event. Very good stuff. More intelligence displayed in an hour than in 60 years of Jay leno type shows around the world.
For the second part Salmans great friend going back 40 years - my avatar, came on to if possible make the conversation even more epic.
On the undercard (before that main event) first 1 other friend of Salman and then Christopher spoke alone to a questioner and the audience about Salman and their friendship.
Hitchens and Salman were each challenged to recite a major poem from memory.
Here is what happened
gregod wrote:i'm not trolling, but i just don't get poetry. the reason i'm even bothering to comment is because it is fascinating to me that many people do appear to be moved by poetry. it just seems like pretentious twaddle to me....
Christian wrote:Meh. That never really did it for me. The images are alright I guess but for some reason I find them rather simplistic and they are repeated all the time.
When it comes to poetry about WWII I find these much more powerful:
Günter Eich: Inventur
Libertine Seguros wrote:I remember studying that.
As to the constant repetition in Todesfuge, that's kind of the point - a) it increases with intensity with repetition as well as reinforcing the daily grind that survival was in that position (with Celan being the only survivor of his family of course), and b) it imitates the form taken by a musical fugue, as referenced in the title, with the same refrains coming in and out.
Christian wrote:You are right of course but still - for some reason the images "schwarze Milch" and "goldenes Haar/aschenes Haar" just seem a little simple to me. Maybe I just prefer Eich's style to portray this particular theme. Some people even said there could be no poetry after Auschwitz, hence the very reduced style of the time. I was unaware that Celan was a concentration camp survivor, so if that's the way he sees best to write about it he has every right to do so, I just prefer Eich's style.
Another example you might know is Neruda's "Oda al átomo", similarly concise as Eich but still a very refined language. A very rare example of how poetry can go together with such horrific events:
se había consumido.
Todos los pájaros
gas de las tumbas,
tronó por los espacios.
la forma del castigo
hongo sangriento, cúpula,
Subió quemante el aire
y se esparció la muerte
en ondas paralelas
Libertine Seguros wrote:Celan's later stuff becomes very obtuse and abstract, whimsical and something I can't really get into, perhaps as a reaction to the directness with which he dealt with some pretty horrific experiences in his work.
RedheadDane wrote:First part of my advent-poem
Today we light a candle clear
an angel sings in sky.
Sings of peace
upon this earth,
to each and everyone.
Sings of a time
when wars all end
and we join hands together,
to firm a circle throughout the world
where no one is left out.
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