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16 Jun 2018 13:37

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Gigs_98 wrote:I'm not sure if the new generation is really that weak or the old generation simply out of this world amazing. I mean if you measure greatness in gs titles three of the four greatest tennis players ever are currently playing. Maybe this is the extraordinary thing and when Federer, Nadal and Djokivic retire we'll be back to normal where guys like Murray are the tennis superstars.

Federer, Nadal and Djokovic are without question the 3 best players of all time. Murray probably would've been an all time great too in a different time. I don't see how any of todays youngsters are more talented than the guys who were stuck in the bottom end of the top 5 for the majority of the past 15 years.

The exception for me is Thiem, who's sort of clay specialist the past generation didn't have who can win a few RG titles and that's it. Problem for Thiem is that a few of his prime years are coinciding with Nadals.


Maybe we did this before but what do you think the best version of these 3 is? 07 or 09 fed? 08 or 10 nadal. 11 or 15 djokovic? Probably 11djoker for me.


Federer's best stretch is definitely 2006-AO 2007. In that stretch he only lost one match to Murray and all other losses were vs Nadal, mostly on clay, and set a few very sick records in that period. I think he made like 16 or 17 consecutive finals or something. That stretch definitely ended when he had back to back losses to Cañas in IW and Miami. Then later that season Djokovic started beating him on HC as well. 2007 might be the weakest of Federer's 3 Slam seasons.

Nadal, probably 2008. I know he won 3 consecutive Slams on 3 surfaces in 2010, but in 2008 he won the Olympics directly on HC directly after Wimbledon, and competition was definitely stronger in 2008. Fed was nowhere after the AO, Djokovic was nowhere before the USO, Murray was worse than in 2009 as well, Delpo got injured, Roddick started permanent decline etc etc.

Djokovic, 2011, no question. I think he was way better that year than in 2015, although he started getting injuries after Wimbledon and completely ran out of gas after the USO. But in 2011 he practically beat a very strong field entirely into submission on his own, whereas in 2015 the field was a lot worse.

And lastly for Murray, I'd probably say 2012-AO 2013 was easily his best stretch of tennis. Even better than his 2nd half of 2016, the difference being way stronger competition in 2012. He started having back issues soon after that AO, skipped RG and winning Wimbledon was a small miracle that year.


I meant which one of those is the single greatest version of a tennis player ever overall, not which year was the best for every player lol.

Ooh. I think 2011 up until the USO. Nadal is not in the conversation for me in this.

2006 is the other option for me. It has Bo5 finals some of the masters and in some of the 250s at the time, but for me the biggest thing is that Federer went 1-3 vs Nadal while Djokovic in 2011 went something like 6-0 vs Nadal
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16 Jun 2018 13:43

And I'm so happy to see Murray back. Draws his buddy Kyrgios in the first round lol.
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17 Jun 2018 09:27

Great match between Fed and Kyrgios as always.

Man, I'm happy we are over the main part of the clay season. Grass tennis is a thing of beauty compared to.
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17 Jun 2018 20:04

Grass is overrated in my opinion, especially with players like Kyrgios and Raonic where you often know they're just never breaking another top player and you're just waiting for the tiebreak.
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19 Jun 2018 18:04

Murray looked better than I could've hoped for. Glad to see him back. Now he needs to not draw Federer at Wimbledon and hopefully win a few matches to not drop outside the top 900 or something
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20 Jun 2018 07:34

Red Rick wrote:Murray looked better than I could've hoped for. Glad to see him back. Now he needs to not draw Federer at Wimbledon and hopefully win a few matches to not drop outside the top 900 or something



Yes he actually looked ok, I wonder if he will now try and play a couple of exhibition matches to get a little sharper come Wimbledon.
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20 Jun 2018 09:33

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Red Rick wrote:Murray looked better than I could've hoped for. Glad to see him back. Now he needs to not draw Federer at Wimbledon and hopefully win a few matches to not drop outside the top 900 or something



Yes he actually looked ok, I wonder if he will now try and play a couple of exhibition matches to get a little sharper come Wimbledon.

He mentioned the possibility of playing Eastbourne and skipping Wimbledon, which could make sense if he doesn't feel ready to play Bo5 yet.
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22 Jun 2018 21:36

Murray will play Eastbourne, and decide on Wimbledon afterwards
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24 Jun 2018 15:28

Pretty good final in Halle, that emphasizes the importance of winning the big points. Something Federer is isually one of the best at, but really didn't manage today. Congratulations to Coric.
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Cance > TheRest wrote:Pretty good final in Halle, that emphasizes the importance of winning the big points. Something Federer is isually one of the best at, but really didn't manage today. Congratulations to Coric.

Federer with the 1.3 dominance ratio, meaning he won 30% more return points than Coric. Yet he manages to get broken more than Coric did. Typical for Federer

Djokovic let Cilic off the hook in the Queen's final. Too passive in the end, but he's definitely improving.

Murray with the easy win over Wawrinka today. His movement is looking pretty fine. Just the serving that's still bad. Wawrinka on the other hand looks done and dusted. He's not coming back from this I think.
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09 Jul 2018 09:36

So. Halfway through Wimbly, and super monday is one of the best tennis days of the year.

I can spend many hours laughing at Federer's draw. Many interesting matches on the other side of the draw. Zverev once again showed his utter uselesness in Grand Slams, and Kyrgios once again showed he'll get wrecked by any elite baseliner who can return his serve. Shapovalov is equally useless when it involves winning Slam matches instead of hospitalising umpires.

Djokovic and Nadal are looking solid, I think Djoko's gonna make the final from the bottom half of the draw. Fed's gonna make the final without dropping a set or something like that. All the other good players are in the bottom half. I just hope Tsitsipas can make the semi.
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10 Jul 2018 08:24

Wimbledon organisers were really desperate yesterday to screw over Djokovic. Djokovic was waiting for Monfils-Anderson to finish, and while Center Court was done for the day, the only court where a match that starts late is guaranteed to finish, they put a mixed doubles match on Center. Djokovic had to do a serious demolition job to keep his rest day today.

4th consecutive year that Djokovic gets the last day on Court 1, enabling this crap. Way to treat your 3 time champion. Organisers want a Fedal final sooo badly, I want Djokovic to win the entire damn thing.
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10 Jul 2018 09:18

The unpredictability of the Women's draw: not one top 10 seed made the quarter finals. Bizarre.
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11 Jul 2018 17:53

I think it's curtains on Federer winning Slams. I think the count will stop at 20.
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13 Jul 2018 18:50

Incredible. Anderson vs Isner: 7-6 6-7 6-7 6-4 26-24, 6:36. Mind you, the last set was very dull. Impressive feat, but essentially, as a spectacle, dull. And on the boys' side it was 7-6 6-7 19-17, in over four hours.
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13 Jul 2018 19:04

Stakes of Nadal Djoko are insane now

Nadal wins, he basically locks up Wimbledon and YE#1

Djoko wins, he basically locks up Wimbly and gets himself in the running for YE#1
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14 Jul 2018 09:01

Djokovic-Nadal such a good match. Love it.

Meanwhile, everyone's up in arms about whether or not they should introduce 5th set tiebreaks.

"yeah, we finally have a memorable match between unmemorable players, let's change the rules to prevent that"
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14 Jul 2018 20:28

Djokovic-Nadal easily match of the year for me.

If Djokovic is playing well in the final, I don't think there's anything Anderson can do. He's having a great 12 months, but he also has like 1 outstanding win in those 12 months, and he should be a lot more tired than Djokovic.
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14 Jul 2018 22:13

Red Rick wrote:Djokovic-Nadal easily match of the year for me.

If Djokovic is playing well in the final, I don't think there's anything Anderson can do. He's having a great 12 months, but he also has like 1 outstanding win in those 12 months, and he should be a lot more tired than Djokovic.


I think Delpo-Nadal was better. One of the best matches I have ever seen.

Two semifinals lasting more than 5 hours is just insane but I agree that Djoko will win this quite easily. But then again, I also didn't exactly expect Federer to lose to Anderson.
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So last Sunday Djokovic beat Federer to win his first Cincinnati title, and complete the set of 9 M1000 tournaments. Now, Federer played terrible and was pretty bad throughout the tournament, but the reactions of his fans have bee unfathomable.
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