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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

22 Nov 2017 00:35

Shin-Gi-Tai...

Shin: in MMA, killer instinct, the will to suffer more than your opponent.

Gi: skills. You can learn them.

Tai: the physical part, that can mitigate a small disadvantage with regards to skills, that can make you outlast the opponent (i.e. your strength bar in the video game doesn't go to red as fast as your opponent), endurance while you are explosive, that's why you dope.

There's no substitute for mental toughness and skills. Or at least no quick substitute, hence the say that you can't turn a donkey into a Kentucky Derby winner. Shrinks, training can improve a fighter. But the low hanging fruit is Tai: after round one and your opponent is at 80%, you're at 90%. after round two your opponent is at 70% and you're at 85%. Or just over-power. It can be natural, and you're a great athlete, or it can be...and you're a fraud.

That's Jones, Spider, Brock, and plenty more.

I would venture to say that MMA is more dirty than any sport. That's why GSP left, The come-back was risky, you don't show up with a knife at a gunfight with all the doping going on. Maybe that's why he chose Bisping.

GSP: stop or you will meet a Lance, who may not get busted and your legacy is tainted. Just a Connor smack and go. Big money.
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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

22 Nov 2017 15:10

Tonton wrote:Shin-Gi-Tai...

Shin: in MMA, killer instinct, the will to suffer more than your opponent.

Gi: skills. You can learn them.

Tai: the physical part, that can mitigate a small disadvantage with regards to skills, that can make you outlast the opponent (i.e. your strength bar in the video game doesn't go to red as fast as your opponent), endurance while you are explosive, that's why you dope.

There's no substitute for mental toughness and skills. Or at least no quick substitute, hence the say that you can't turn a donkey into a Kentucky Derby winner. Shrinks, training can improve a fighter. But the low hanging fruit is Tai: after round one and your opponent is at 80%, you're at 90%. after round two your opponent is at 70% and you're at 85%. Or just over-power. It can be natural, and you're a great athlete, or it can be...and you're a fraud.

That's Jones, Spider, Brock, and plenty more.

I would venture to say that MMA is more dirty than any sport. That's why GSP left, The come-back was risky, you don't show up with a knife at a gunfight with all the doping going on. Maybe that's why he chose Bisping.

GSP: stop or you will meet a Lance, who may not get busted and your legacy is tainted. Just a Connor smack and go. Big money.

NOT. We probably should engage in that discussion here though.
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28 Nov 2017 16:31

A former UFC fighter just got 10 months in the dock for accepting a bribe to take a dive at Fight Night 79 (2015) in Seoul.

A sudden swing in the betting tipped off UFC officials that the fight might have been fixed so they went to Bang Tae-hyun and gave him a very pointed warning before the fight. His sentence was reduced because he both won the fight and gave back the money but the online story offers no detail as to how the police might have known he repaid the bribe, or what the proof was that he had accepted it in the first place. The fight took place two years ago today and Bang (is that not the perfect name for a fighter?) apparently is still both alive and ambulatory, so it seems to me he has been treated much more harshly by the Korean legal system than the Korean mafia (but maybe we should reserve judgement on that account until we've seen how he fares after 10 months in the nick).

AFAIK this is the first public acknowledgement of fight fixing in the UFC, but it does give one to wonder, is this the only time it's happened or merely the first time anyone's been caught?
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04 Dec 2017 20:33

GSP now is on the UFC's sick list due to colitis. He is famous for the anxiety bouts he experiences before a fight, which can't help in that regard. I think this probably comes closer to the truth of why he skipped out on four years fighting than tales of "unfairness" due to the UFC's slipshod policing of PEDs. If he's looking for an honourable "out" from fighting for a living, this looks bespoke. But considering the result of the Bisping fight, and considering how few of his final pre-layoff fights he managed to score a finish on, I can't help but wonder whether he isn't a more formidable fighter with the extra one stone. I don't think he ever in his career scored such an blatant "walk-off" KO as he did against Bisping.

Speaking of GSP, in short order we've had two knockouts in the octagon -- Bisping's (via GSP) and 'Reem's (via Ngannou) -- that were about as violent a "snap-the-head-straight-back" KTFOs as I've ever seen. Overeem lying stiff on the canvas like he was clutching a high voltage wire was just frightening. Ngannou appears to have punching prowess to make Mike Tyson jealous.
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08 Dec 2017 17:47

Right on queue, GSP has relinquished the middleweight title for 'health reasons."

Anderson Silva's coach claims the Spider tested positive owing to contaminated supplements (how original!). Also claims they will be testing those supplements (future tense) to confirm they were the cause. Which probably means they're shopping at this moment for contaminated supplements to be the scapegoat. In Brazil, this should not be too challenging.

Roy "Big Country" Nelson gets Matt Mitrione on 16 February at Bellator 194 in the heavyweight grand prix. Should be quite a watchable bang-fest, even if you're not a fan of Bellator. They've fought once before, in 2012, and Nelson won by TKO in the first. But it was only Mitrone's seventh MMA bout and Nelson's 25th. Coming off a dramatic "Rocky-esque" win over The Last Emperor, Mitrione starts the tourney as the odd-on favourite. I like watching both these guys fight because guys there's no show-boating, no finesse. Just two very large men, each promising to push your face in.

The UFC cleared Mark Hunt to resume fighting after a battery of tests at the Lou Ruvo Center for Brain Health in Las Vegas. Dana White pulled Hunt from all fight cards after Hunt wrote a letter to PlayersVoice.com.au complaining he wasn't sleeping well, he was forgetting things and slurring his words. Next Hunt sued the UFC claiming his words were being taken out of context. To which DW replied in a letter to the Daily Telegraph asking how is it possible to take the words Hunt himself wrote out of context. The letter ends with a bit of self-serving promotion, DW claiming the fighter's health always comes first (except, of course, for when the promotions' concerns come first.
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Re: Mixed Martial Arts

17 Jan 2018 21:32

MMA Fighting is reporting that Jon 'Bones' Jones was administered and "passed" a polygraph test in which he stated he had taken NO PEDS in the run-up to UFC 214.

I have no idea if a poly holds water with USADA (or WADA).
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20 Jan 2018 18:43

When Uriah Hall sent no notice and didn't show up for the weigh-in for last weekend's UFC Fight Night in St Louis, he got the rough edge of a lot of people's tongues, most of all his scheduled opponent, Vitor Belfort. Now he's claiming he had a mini-seizure and slight heart attack. Which sounds credible to me, on two counts. First, this guy loves to bang, and I'm hard pressed to believe he would try to dodge a fight with Godzilla, much less Vitor "Mister TRT" Belfort. Second, Dhafir Harris, AKA Dada 5000, who collapsed in the ring at the end of an otherwise completely forgettable fight against Kimbo Slice (at Bellator 149, 19 February 2016), same venue as the equally forgettable Ken Shamrock vs Royce Gracie bout) and was later diagnosed with cardiac arrest and renal failure due to dehydration. He had cut ~40 pounds (18 kg) to make Bellator's heavyweight limit of 265 and was suffering from severe electrolyte imbalance.

Hall also mentioned his kidneys were involved, and his doctor told him he probably would have died had he managed to make weight. The words "electrolyte imbalance" aren't mentioned in the linked article but that's my completely half-arsed diagnosis.

I'd be preaching to the choir/ beating the dead horse [pick one] if I bothered of mention the stupidity of allowing weight-cutting to continue that puts so much physical stress on the fighters, so I won't.
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20 Jan 2018 20:28

StyrbjornSterki wrote:When Uriah Hall sent no notice and didn't show up for the weigh-in for last weekend's UFC Fight Night in St Louis, he got the rough edge of a lot of people's tongues, most of all his scheduled opponent, Vitor Belfort. Now he's claiming he had a mini-seizure and slight heart attack. Which sounds credible to me, on two counts. First, this guy loves to bang, and I'm hard pressed to believe he would try to dodge a fight with Godzilla, much less Vitor "Mister TRT" Belfort. Second, Dhafir Harris, AKA Dada 5000, who collapsed in the ring at the end of an otherwise completely forgettable fight against Kimbo Slice (at Bellator 149, 19 February 2016), same venue as the equally forgettable Ken Shamrock vs Royce Gracie bout) and was later diagnosed with cardiac arrest and renal failure due to dehydration. He had cut ~40 pounds (18 kg) to make Bellator's heavyweight limit of 265 and was suffering from severe electrolyte imbalance.

Hall also mentioned his kidneys were involved, and his doctor told him he probably would have died had he managed to make weight. The words "electrolyte imbalance" aren't mentioned in the linked article but that's my completely half-arsed diagnosis.

I'd be preaching to the choir/ beating the dead horse [pick one] if I bothered of mention the stupidity of allowing weight-cutting to continue that puts so much physical stress on the fighters, so I won't.

I'll keep singing it...walking weight rule. They have to weigh in once a month and can not cut more than 5% from their 12 month average. ie: 180 lb average could fight as low as 170, no more 180 fighting 155. Not only would this be healthy (ier) for the fighters, I think that it would make for better fights for many reasons.

Should be a good heavyweight fight tonight!
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21 Jan 2018 09:16

Not quite... Ngannou was pretty embarrassing, even for a heavyweight. I mean I get the lack of cardio when you're carrying that much muscle but there's no way he should have been in a title fight as those four rounds showed.

I'm not a fan but Macdonald was most impressive for me tonight, proper tough.
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21 Jan 2018 15:53

Ferminal wrote:Not quite... Ngannou was pretty embarrassing, even for a heavyweight. I mean I get the lack of cardio when you're carrying that much muscle but there's no way he should have been in a title fight as those four rounds showed.

I'm not a fan but Macdonald was most impressive for me tonight, proper tough.

I didn't see the fight, but in the highlights Ng just looks slow from round one. He's a big man and that can win some fights, but Miocic is a good fighter so you need more than just size and power to get him.
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