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17 Oct 2016 14:39

Are the Padres good yet..?
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17 Oct 2016 15:54

Merckx index wrote:Some of the most famous walkoff HR in MLB history:

No mention of Kirk Gibson's walk-off to end Game 1 of the 1988 World Series? Gibson was so injured he was not even in the game until that pinch hit, and in fact didn't play another game in the series. He could barely hobble around the bases after the HR. The A's were favored that series, and in the lead with Dennis Eckersley who was lights out at that time pitching. Gibson's HR was so dramatic, it not only won the game, it completely crushed the A's morale as a team for the rest of the series, and the Dodgers won in 5 games.

By the time Kirk Gibson reached his locker, bullpen coach Mark Cresse had written "R. HOBBS" on a piece of paper and taped it over Gibson's nameplate.

Legend indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U157X0jy5iw

I should note, I'm an A's fan, and both at the time, and even to this day am amazed by Gibson's at bat.
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19 Oct 2016 02:52

Alpe d'Huez wrote:
No mention of Kirk Gibson's walk-off to end Game 1 of the 1988 World Series? Gibson was so injured he was not even in the game until that pinch hit, and in fact didn't play another game in the series. He could barely hobble around the bases after the HR. The A's were favored that series, and in the lead with Dennis Eckersley who was lights out at that time pitching. Gibson's HR was so dramatic, it not only won the game, it completely crushed the A's morale as a team for the rest of the series, and the Dodgers won in 5 games.

By the time Kirk Gibson reached his locker, bullpen coach Mark Cresse had written "R. HOBBS" on a piece of paper and taped it over Gibson's nameplate.

Legend indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U157X0jy5iw

I should note, I'm an A's fan, and both at the time, and even to this day am amazed by Gibson's at bat.


It was famous, sure, and I'm not going to deny anyone what he finds personally to be most meaningful, but the ten I singled out were by leverage. Gibson’s HR did not win a pennant or WS, nor did it stave off elimination in the WS. It just improved the Dodgers’ chances of winning the WS. It put the A’s in an especially bad hole, because they had to face Hershiser the next day, and indeed, they lost again.

But I don’t buy the crushed morale notion, I think that’s greatly overrated. Teams bounce back from crushing defeats all the time. The Reds won Game 7 after that Fisk HR in Game 6. Mickey Mantle won Game 3 of the 1964 WS with a walkoff, but the Cards still won the series. Derek Jeter won Game 4 of the 2001 WS with a walkoff HR, and that came in extra innings after the Yankees had tied the game in the ninth with a 2-run HR. That was a devastating defeat for the D’Backs, who had thoroughly out-pitched and out-hit the Yankees till then. Then the Yankees did the same thing the next night, tying the game in the ninth with a 2-run HR, and winning in extra innings. But the D’Backs still came back to win that series.

In fact, Gibson’s walkoff HR in the 1988 WS was not the only one. McGwire won Game 3 for the A’s the same way.

There’s no crying in baseball, and there’s no clutch and no momentum, either. It's all about probabilities, which makes determining a champion by a short series, let alone several of them as it's done now, such a sham.
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19 Oct 2016 12:17

Maybe so, but it's still historic and part of baseball lore.

Meanwhile, Cubs need to find a way to hit the ball.
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19 Oct 2016 22:17

Come on, Cubbies, just find a way to win tonight!

Pretty please? :(
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19 Oct 2016 22:37

Tricycle Rider wrote:Come on, Cubbies, just find a way to win tonight!

Pretty please? :(



It goes without saying, the Cubbies are in trouble if they don't win tonight. In my opinion, not only do they have to win, but a low scoring affair will not do them favors. Their offense needs to wake up. Of course anything is still possible, even going down 3-1 as this year's team has shown some real grit and they may have 2004 Red Sox destiny-like symptoms, but the last two games have been ugly, no doubt about it.
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20 Oct 2016 12:23

Nice win for the Cubs.
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23 Oct 2016 03:16

Finally, the Cubs break through. This is a dream WS matchup in terms of history, though the Cubs are heavy favorites. FanGraphs has them at almost 2:1, which is unusually high for any postseason series. Some of that is because the Cubs really are stacked, and some because Cleveland lost two of it's starters (maybe three if Bauer's little finger doesn't heal). But one of Cleveland's lost starters, Danny Salazar, is now rehabbing, and may be available for at least some relief. While the Cubs' Kyle Schwarber, who went down in the very beginning of the season, is also rehabbing, and might be able to DH.

The Cubs have broken a long drought just getting to the WS, longer than Cleveland's drought in winning one. And even if they don't win the WS, they have a team loaded with young stars which ought be a major contender for years to come. Maybe their GM, Theo Epstein, who ended the Red Sox curse, ought to run for President. He gets things done.
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24 Oct 2016 20:49

So I'm just a bit torn right now...

Lived in the Cleveland area for a few years back in the early 80s, went to a couple of Indians games. (Coming from Europe and ending up in Cleveland I had no choice but to be an Indians fan.)

And then we've got the Chicago Cubs...

Visited Chicago twice about a decade ago and absolutely loved it! (Never got the chance to go to a Cubs game, though.)

So...

Which team am I supposed to cheer for now?
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24 Oct 2016 22:25

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Which team am I supposed to cheer for now?


Let me help you, here are six reasons to root for the Cubs:

1) History. Sixty-eight years without winning a WS is small time; Cubs fans were at that point when Jimmy Carter was elected President.

2) The teams. Cubs are the better team: better hitting, better starting pitching, better defense; Cleveland may have a better bullpen, but not by much. The better team doesn’t always win, but when it doesn’t, it’s just another indication of the unfairness of short series.

3) Cleveland’s mascot. It’s stupid—even those reptilian-skinned individuals who don’t find it offensive have to admit it’s ugly, the kind of caricature a ten year old might draw. It’s a symbol Americans thought was cute when the team won its last WS, but long out of date now.

4) The managers. Cleveland’s Terry Francona is a great guy, and probably going to the Hall of Fame. It would be nice to add a WS win in Cleveland to the two he won in Boston, but he probably doesn’t need to. Chicago’s Joe Maddon needs one on his resume.

5) The fans. Cleveland’s fans want you to believe they suffer so much because until the Cavs won the NBA title this year, the city had not won a major pro championship in more than fifty years. What they never point out is that there are more than a dozen cities in America larger than Cleveland that have never, ever won a major sports championship, mainly because to now they don’t even have a major pro sports team, e.g., Austin, TX, Las Vegas, NV, Louisville, KY, Albuquerque, NM, Tucson, AZ, Fresno, CA, Long Beach, CA, Mesa, AZ, Colorado Springs, CO, Virginia Beach, VA, Omaha, NE, Tulsa, OK, Wichita, KS. Cleveland once was one of the largest cities in America, but now it has a population of less than 400,000, making it about the 50th largest city in the country. It’s lucky to have any pro teams, let alone three, that have a chance at a championship.

6) Magic. In Rio this summer, an American man won the 1500 m. in track. Know the last time that happened? 1908.
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26 Oct 2016 12:25

Terrific game 1 win for the Indians, as the Cubs bats fell asleep. Well, their ability to get runs across the plate at least.

I have a hard time imagining that this trend will continue, as Merckx stated, the Cubs have more talent across the board. I still think Cleveland was fortunate that Texas completely crumbled against Toronto, as the Rangers were the best team in the AL on paper. So being up 1-0 is their best chance to win the series, and an 'equalizer" in my mind. But they are hot, and are playing well at the right time.

As to their Chief Wahoo logo Merckx refers, to, I too find this to be basically racist, and I'm glad the team has "demoted" it officially to a secondary logo, with the block C, and feather logo primary. But they really should just retire Chief Wahoo once and for all. The name Indians is borderline as is, though not nearly as offensive as "Redskins".
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27 Oct 2016 04:51

I'm so NOT disregarding all your posts/points, guys, but just like with the NHL and NBA I'm wondering whether this game is fixed so it will go all the way to game 7. (The more games they play the more money they can milk out of the fans.)

Apologies, btw., I'm just way too skeptical now. (Still have no fave in the MLB Series, btw.)
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27 Oct 2016 12:28

I'm not so sure. Even if you just look at the numbers, out of the last 13 World Series, only two have gone the full 7 games. Four of them have been 4-0 sweeps, and four more have been 4-1 wins.

It's also harder I think to fix the games through umpiring. There is a subjectivity to umpiring, for sure. But less in MLB than other major sports. Only twice in my memory were there questionable calls that affected WS play. The first was the most egregious, and that was 1985 when the Royals beat the Cardinals in a very controversial call (that replays and still photos show was wrong). But even that was in a game 6, and in game 7, the Cards were dominated by the Royals Brett Saberhagen. The other was less controversial, and that was in the 1997 NLCS game 5, when the Marlins beat the Braves, and advanced to the World Series. There was much talk about an inconsistent strike zone that favored the Marlins. Some even quipped that MLB wanted the Marlins to win as the Braves were somewhat dominant and dull, while the Marlins were a newish team to the league. But replays show that umpire Eric Gregg actually had a large strike zone for both teams, and beyond that game. I chalked both of those games up to questionable or poor officiating, not umpires throwing the game by choice.

Having said all that, with modern technology, and replay, it's even harder than ever before for umpires to alter the game, if they wished to.
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29 Oct 2016 12:33

Alpe d'Huez wrote:Terrific game 1 win for the Indians, as the Cubs bats fell asleep. Well, their ability to get runs across the plate at least.

I have a hard time imagining that this trend will continue, as Merckx stated, the Cubs have more talent across the board. I still think Cleveland was fortunate that Texas completely crumbled against Toronto, as the Rangers were the best team in the AL on paper. So being up 1-0 is their best chance to win the series, and an 'equalizer" in my mind. But they are hot, and are playing well at the right time.

As to their Chief Wahoo logo Merckx refers, to, I too find this to be basically racist, and I'm glad the team has "demoted" it officially to a secondary logo, with the block C, and feather logo primary. But they really should just retire Chief Wahoo once and for all. The name Indians is borderline as is, though not nearly as offensive as "Redskins".


Same as game 3..plus great Cleveland pitching..why baseball is a great game..cubbies 'better' across the board yet shutout in 2 out of the last 3 games..I'd like to see it go back to Cleveland with the tribe leading 3 games to 2..then win it in front of the home team fans..and cubbies fans can wait another 108 years.
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30 Oct 2016 18:20

Bustedknuckle wrote:..and cubbies fans can wait another 108 years.
Oh come on, man, that's just not very nice! :mad: :(

Still don't have a fave, but am thinking the Tribe will just about have this series all wrapped up... in stinky ole Cleveland.
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31 Oct 2016 15:15

I have to say that I'd be okay if Cleveland wins, especially if it's in front of their fans. Here's why:

• All the talk and hype is on the Cubs and "finally". I realize the historic significance of that. But so little attention is given to the Indians and their fans, and struggles.

• Futility and disappointment isn't cornered by the Cubs. Yes, they have the 108 year drought. But the Indians haven't won in 68 years either. Few people alive remember them winning, and only one living player from the team is alive. 95 year old Eddie Robinson (who the organization hasn't contacted, yet for some reason). Robinson played alongside guys like Satchel Paige, Bob Feller, Al Rosen. Those are guys long, long ago in the hall of fame, and all gone, remembered in scratchy black and white pictures from a forgotten era almost.

• The Indians fans have had their share of pain in our lifetimes. They lost two World Series, including 1997's strike shortened season when they won 100 games, losing only 44 ( an amazing 694 winning percentage, or extrapolated to about 112-50 over a full season) plus a whopping 30 games ahead of the Royals. But in the World Series, their bats weren't consistent against the Braves stellar pitching and they suffered a heartbreaking loss, the final game at home.

• The Indians did win 94 games this year, so it's not like they lucked into the playoffs. Only Texas had a better record in the AL, and that by one half game.

• Underdogs are fun to root for. And it's great to see a team that's been hurt, and scraping by, play so well.

• The Cubs have a stacked roster of young players. It's quite possible in the next 5 years they'll get deep into the playoffs, and the WS again. They will likely need another starting pitcher, and some bullpen help, maybe. But that's it. The Indians on the other hand have some talent, but may struggle to win 90 games in the several years to come.
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31 Oct 2016 15:46

Cleveland won 100 games in 1995, not 1997. That was the strike season. They lost the WS both those years, though, and the final game was on the road.

On that 1948 team, don’t forget Lou Boudreau, who not only was regular season MVP that year, but did it while also managing the team!

Since we’re crying for Cleveland, they set an AL record with 111 wins in 1954 (a .721 win % that still stands as an AL record), then got swept in the WS by the Giants. The all-time record? The 1906 Chicago Cubs, who won 116 games (.763). They went on to lose the WS in one of the greatest upsets in history. Their 116 wins was later tied by the 2001 Seattle Mariners, in a 162 game schedule, and they didn’t even make it to the WS.

So lots of room for feeling sorry for teams. And while Cleveland moaned and groaned before this year about not winning any championships, how about San Diego? The last time they won anything was the Chargers winning the AFL championship in 1963, and that was before the merger brought that league to parity with the NFL. But what a game that was, a 51-10 blowout over a team that has since had better luck, the Patriots. Keith Lincoln rushed for more than 200 yards in only 13 carries, and also was the game’s top receiver with more than 100 yards. Even in today's offensive era, you don't see performances like that very often, if at all.
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01 Nov 2016 19:32

Alpe d'Huez wrote: Yes, they have the 108 year drought.
lol...

I think this is just so funny... come on Cubbies/Cubbies fans, what's another 108 years between friends? (I tell ya, that's one hell of a drought!)

Right, so it's do or die for the Cubs, so just for today I will definitely root for them.
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02 Nov 2016 11:03

GO CUBBIES!!!!
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02 Nov 2016 17:06

It is now Cleveland's turn to blow a 3-1 lead
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