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21 Jan 2018 14:15

Ruhpolding is Fourcade's absolute favourite venue though, he's been pretty unstoppable there most of the time since the 2012 Worlds. He made some mistakes in his ski choices at Oberhof by his own admission, so potentially he could have been closer to his Ruhpolding level there physically than the results in comparison to Bø let on.
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21 Jan 2018 14:24

Libertine Seguros wrote:Ruhpolding is Fourcade's absolute favourite venue though, he's been pretty unstoppable there most of the time since the 2012 Worlds. He made some mistakes in his ski choices at Oberhof by his own admission, so potentially he could have been closer to his Ruhpolding level there physically than the results in comparison to Bø let on.

I think fourcade is better at ostersund.
today, boe had a awful day and lost all his chances of winning the world cup.
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21 Jan 2018 15:53

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Libertine Seguros wrote:Ruhpolding is Fourcade's absolute favourite venue though, he's been pretty unstoppable there most of the time since the 2012 Worlds. He made some mistakes in his ski choices at Oberhof by his own admission, so potentially he could have been closer to his Ruhpolding level there physically than the results in comparison to Bø let on.

I think fourcade is better at ostersund.
today, boe had a awful day and lost all his chances of winning the world cup.

I don't know about that. Johannes was 6 points ahead before today and is now 16 points behind. It's still open.

Paradoxically, it might actually help Johannes if Fourcade keeps on getting on the podium, as long as Johannes manages it himself for the remaning season. If the duo keep on sharing the wins/podium positions and Johannes manages to beat Fourcade more often than the opposite scenario, it could mean that the accumulated differences in points between 1st, 2nd and 3rd will be enough (more than 16) for Johannes to win the overall.

Perhaps unlikely, but you never know.
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21 Jan 2018 16:12

Cance > TheRest wrote:
portugal11 wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:Ruhpolding is Fourcade's absolute favourite venue though, he's been pretty unstoppable there most of the time since the 2012 Worlds. He made some mistakes in his ski choices at Oberhof by his own admission, so potentially he could have been closer to his Ruhpolding level there physically than the results in comparison to Bø let on.

I think fourcade is better at ostersund.
today, boe had a awful day and lost all his chances of winning the world cup.

I don't know about that. Johannes was 6 points ahead before today and is now 16 points behind. It's still open.

Paradoxically, it might actually help Johannes if Fourcade keeps on getting on the podium, as long as Johannes manages it himself for the remaning season. If the duo keep on sharing the wins/podium positions and Johannes manages to beat Fourcade more often than the opposite scenario, it could mean that the accumulated differences in points between 1st, 2nd and 3rd will be enough (more than 16) for Johannes to win the overall.

Perhaps unlikely, but you never know.

boe can't do, anymore, performances like he did today. fourcade only have podiums so he has margin to fail in two occasions
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22 Jan 2018 12:28

what happened to klaebo btwn km 11.9 and 13.9 :Question:

from leading poltoranin by .3 sec at 11.9 he dropped almost 20 seconds in just 2 km :rolleyes:


just found an answer in norwegian. no falling, just plain fatigue...another weakness to note for those who want to know how to beat the norwegian.
https://www.vg.no/sport/langrenn/i/rLW39w/poltoranin-utklasset-kl%C3%A6bo-p%C3%A5-slutten-det-var-en-krig
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23 Jan 2018 14:39

Great insight, be stronger than your competitor as was the case with Poltaranin or did you see something special?
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23 Jan 2018 23:37

Question, has anyone there ever been a mixed relay in XC? if not has the idea ever been floated? Or is there no point as Norway 2 would probably beat the rest of the world combined?
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25 Jan 2018 12:24

Oude Geuze wrote:Great insight, be stronger than your competitor as was the case with Poltaranin or did you see something special?

Spot on :)
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25 Jan 2018 12:25

Blaaswix wrote:
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python wrote:an alleged superman

Funny :) Who has alleged this?

Well, a quick search reveals descriptions in the Norwegian press including 'the comet' , 'a wonder' and so on. Maybe not actually 'superman', but in the general ballpark.

Thank you for an answer, which, compared to python's one that got deleted by mods, is polite.
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28 Jan 2018 10:56

Well, at least Cologna saved us from a bunch sprint. The Seefeld course looks nicely difficult for the Nordic Worlds next year, some very good long climbs and fast, if not especially technical, descents, that should be decently selective in the Individual start, and over the full length mass starts (50/30) the accumulation of efforts should make it a lot more selective than it was today, though today you had the added problem that nobody really wants to show too much of their hand ahead of the Olympics. Then again, they managed to achieve a defensively raced, negative 50k at Falun in a race that went over Mördarbakken five times...
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28 Jan 2018 10:58

Cologna and Harvey bullying the rest of the field these days, it’s awsome to see cologna back on form, beautiful skier and a good guy. Who will be able to stop him in the olympics? Duathlon, 50k and 15k are all possible for him, hopefully Harvey can also win one, it will be interesting for sure!
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Libertine Seguros wrote:Well, at least Cologna saved us from a bunch sprint. The Seefeld course looks nicely difficult for the Nordic Worlds next year, some very good long climbs and fast, if not especially technical, descents, that should be decently selective in the Individual start, and over the full length mass starts (50/30) the accumulation of efforts should make it a lot more selective than it was today, though today you had the added problem that nobody really wants to show too much of their hand ahead of the Olympics. Then again, they managed to achieve a defensively raced, negative 50k at Falun in a race that went over Mördarbakken five times...


I fear that Seefeld simply has too many flat selections and not really a single Long climb, too. Not good for mass start races at all. So someone like Northug should use this as a Motivation. If he can get back in shape, Seefeld could be a good place for him next year.
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28 Jan 2018 11:18

i am less surprised with cologna and more with harvey...it was a long, significant hill where i did not expect him to hang on to sundby. as if another demonstration of his new found climbing shown at a recent tds..for a reference, he is about the same size as polto and ustiugov...we'll have to see. looks like klaebo decided to stay this one out.
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28 Jan 2018 11:33

I simply have to disagree. There are way too long flat parts and downhills, especially the one beginning from the stadium. The last climb had a 35 meters height difference for sprints, though even less for other distances as they don't climb it all the way from the stadium. It's not even close to being selective enough for men's mass start races. In comparison, Ruka has a max climb of 55 metres, Lillehammer of 64 metres and Falun of 65 metres. Lahti has a max climb of 44 metres and the 50km race last year was a bad joke because the track was so easy. If they don't have bigger uphills in Seefeld, the world championships next year are going to be very boring.
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28 Jan 2018 11:44

Erwin wrote:I simply have to disagree. There are way too long flat parts and downhills, especially the one beginning from the stadium. The last climb had a 35 meters height difference for sprints, though even less for other distances as they don't climb it all the way from the stadium. It's not even close to being selective enough for men's mass start races. In comparison, Ruka has a max climb of 55 metres, Lillehammer of 64 metres and Falun of 65 metres. Lahti has a max climb of 44 metres and the 50km race last year was a bad joke because the track was so easy. If they don't have bigger uphills in Seefeld, the world championships next year are going to be very boring.


I have to agree with your anaylsis. Things really don't look too promising, could be a quiet boring sprinter's Festival , even in longer distances. What's especially sad of course is that 2021 will be in Oberstdof, and we all know how things play out there. :o :o
I still can't find profiles of the tracks in Pjöngchang, pretty disappointing that they don't offer such a Service in 2018.
If only the World Cup would come here one time, I promise you, the climb that they use in the IBU Cup would splitt a mass start field like the red sea :D :lol:
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28 Jan 2018 11:55

Libertine Seguros wrote:Then again, they managed to achieve a defensively raced, negative 50k at Falun in a race that went over Mördarbakken five times...

I have to disagree partly. That wasn't very defensive race.
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28 Jan 2018 12:33

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Libertine Seguros wrote:Then again, they managed to achieve a defensively raced, negative 50k at Falun in a race that went over Mördarbakken five times...

I have to disagree partly. That wasn't very defensive race.

Mainly because of Södergren, but nobody else seemed to want to race until very late on, though the conditions may have had something to do with that, Olsson wanted to make some moves early on but snowfall made the Val di Fiemme tactic unrealistic. Once Olsson gave up, apart from Södergren everybody seemed content to wait for the last time up Mördarbacken.
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28 Jan 2018 12:49

Libertine Seguros wrote:
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Libertine Seguros wrote:Then again, they managed to achieve a defensively raced, negative 50k at Falun in a race that went over Mördarbakken five times...

I have to disagree partly. That wasn't very defensive race.

Mainly because of Södergren, but nobody else seemed to want to race until very late on, though the conditions may have had something to do with that
Exactly, conditions were important. So at the end it wasn't that defensive race. Pace was high, they've really tried to get rid of Northug who managed to hang there, mainly because of the snowfall. Every Mördarbakken he was going backwards only to catch them downhill and on the flatter parts.
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Re: Nordic Skiing/Biathlon Thread

28 Jan 2018 15:37

Great win for Diggins in the 10K today, Weng 2nd and Haga in 3rd. Also impressive win for Cologna in the 15, Sundby in 3rd behind Harvey.
Didn't like seeing Klæbo showing off before he crossed the line when he won the sprint yesterday, shows a lack of respect.
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28 Jan 2018 17:10

Oh well, just watched Austrian TV. They said that athletes complained about the easy tracks.
They interviewed one of the organizers and he said that the tracks were designed like this ON PURPOSE, as they want to use These tracks for tourists in the first place after the Wolrds next year and so they made rather modest climbs and downhills, and longer flatish sections. :rolleyes: :o :o
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