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15 Feb 2019 20:22

At least it meant some new faces on the podium and not the same old same old, as Bø had quickly grown just as dull as Fourcade. 3 podiums between the 3 of them before today.
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15 Feb 2019 20:50

Libertine Seguros wrote:At least it meant some new faces on the podium and not the same old same old, as Bø had quickly grown just as dull as Fourcade. 3 podiums between the 3 of them before today.



I don't think Fourcade was ever as fast as Bø is at the moment. He was close about 40 seconds clear of everyone when he came in for his second shooting. He can afford himself two missed shots and still win a sprint. Clean shooting and he is obviously winning a race, one miss and he's still likely to win, two misses makes it exciting, three and he can still podium. I don't know what sort of shape the medal contenders will be at the World's, but for now the only thing that will stop JT is if he beats himself by missing targets. Nobody is touching him on the tracks. There are a couple Frenchies + or - Fourcade, there's Eberhard, there's Doll, maybe Landertinger when he is in form and Loginov that can come the closest, but they need to shoot better to beat the Norwegian. "Simple."
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15 Feb 2019 21:30

BullsFan22 wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:At least it meant some new faces on the podium and not the same old same old, as Bø had quickly grown just as dull as Fourcade. 3 podiums between the 3 of them before today.



I don't think Fourcade was ever as fast as Bø is at the moment. "Simple."

Has anyone been? Berger won sprints with 2 misses but 2 misses was a good day for him.
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16 Feb 2019 06:47

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BullsFan22 wrote:
Libertine Seguros wrote:At least it meant some new faces on the podium and not the same old same old, as Bø had quickly grown just as dull as Fourcade. 3 podiums between the 3 of them before today.



I don't think Fourcade was ever as fast as Bø is at the moment. "Simple."

Has anyone been? Berger won sprints with 2 misses but 2 misses was a good day for him.
He's won one with 3 even.
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16 Feb 2019 11:27

In a way quite impressive if you can be 5th with 4 misses. That's almost half missed. Wonder, what is the all-time record for that one? I think in the early days of women biathlon Reztsova ended up quite high despite missing a lot.
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16 Feb 2019 11:48

Yay, skate sprint today in the xc, not seen that in a while.
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16 Feb 2019 12:01

By the way, can anyone explain me the logic of how they get allocated into groups after qualifying?

I see from live timing that numbers 2, 6, 7 and 9 are in the same quarterfinal! And in the other quarterfinal the smallest number is 13.

I mean it looks slightly unfair, doesn't it?
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16 Feb 2019 12:58

The American cheerleading on Eurosport International's Anglophone commentary has extended beyond the sycophantic and to the point where I'm outright about to send complaints. It's literally "great news" every time any American does anything good, when Kern was involved with that super close finish with Stenseth and Gimmler, it was like the latter two didn't exist, and it's literally "Simmy" this "Simmy" that in the men's, and it's nothing other than "great news" for the sport that Jess Diggins made it in a lucky loser spot. It's absolutely relentless, like there has almost been no discussion of ANY of the other women in the final, the preview consists of "Sadie Bjornsen is NOT ALONE because Jess Diggins HAS MADE IT THROUGH".

This is like Carlton Kirby watching Sky unenjoyable.
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16 Feb 2019 13:06

zarnack wrote:By the way, can anyone explain me the logic of how they get allocated into groups after qualifying?

I see from live timing that numbers 2, 6, 7 and 9 are in the same quarterfinal! And in the other quarterfinal the smallest number is 13.

I mean it looks slightly unfair, doesn't it?


Since Drammen 2015, the top qualifiers can choose which heat they want to place themselves in. The top qualifier could choose heat 5, if he/she so chooses. Qualifiers 25-30 are placed in heats last.
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16 Feb 2019 13:07

Libertine Seguros wrote:The American cheerleading on Eurosport International's Anglophone commentary has extended beyond the sycophantic and to the point where I'm outright about to send complaints. It's literally "great news" every time any American does anything good, when Kern was involved with that super close finish with Stenseth and Gimmler, it was like the latter two didn't exist, and it's literally "Simmy" this "Simmy" that in the men's, and it's nothing other than "great news" for the sport that Jess Diggins made it in a lucky loser spot. It's absolutely relentless, like there has almost been no discussion of ANY of the other women in the final, the preview consists of "Sadie Bjornsen is NOT ALONE because Jess Diggins HAS MADE IT THROUGH".

This is like Carlton Kirby watching Sky unenjoyable.

How did you like the final just now.
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16 Feb 2019 13:08

Libertine Seguros wrote:The American cheerleading on Eurosport International's Anglophone commentary has extended beyond the sycophantic and to the point where I'm outright about to send complaints. It's literally "great news" every time any American does anything good, when Kern was involved with that super close finish with Stenseth and Gimmler, it was like the latter two didn't exist, and it's literally "Simmy" this "Simmy" that in the men's, and it's nothing other than "great news" for the sport that Jess Diggins made it in a lucky loser spot. It's absolutely relentless, like there has almost been no discussion of ANY of the other women in the final, the preview consists of "Sadie Bjornsen is NOT ALONE because Jess Diggins HAS MADE IT THROUGH".

This is like Carlton Kirby watching Sky unenjoyable.


Don't know who it was, whether it was Winterton, Goldstrom or Dixon, I didn't watch the race, but I am not surprised. It's par for the course for them. Winterton in particular has favorites.
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16 Feb 2019 13:11

Libertine Seguros wrote:The American cheerleading on Eurosport International's Anglophone commentary has extended beyond the sycophantic and to the point where I'm outright about to send complaints. It's literally "great news" every time any American does anything good, when Kern was involved with that super close finish with Stenseth and Gimmler, it was like the latter two didn't exist, and it's literally "Simmy" this "Simmy" that in the men's, and it's nothing other than "great news" for the sport that Jess Diggins made it in a lucky loser spot. It's absolutely relentless, like there has almost been no discussion of ANY of the other women in the final, the preview consists of "Sadie Bjornsen is NOT ALONE because Jess Diggins HAS MADE IT THROUGH".

This is like Carlton Kirby watching Sky unenjoyable.


Complaints to Discovery, Inc, Silver Springs, Maryland USA USA USA
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16 Feb 2019 13:36

What I am more worried about is, as I've been the whole season, is the amount of skate sprints. It's sad really. Flat or flattish skate sprints should not be the future of this sport. It's nice that it opens things up sometimes, giving more skiers a chance, but 9 (!!!) of 12 sprints this year are in the skate technique. If they have an even number of sprints, why can't they have 6/6? Even 7-5 is good. I don't understand what FIS wants go gain from this. Three years ago they started the slogan 'save classic skiing,' by putting in pole length checks, double poling zones, etc, but how about doing the easy thing...have more classic races?

It's strange to see the race profiles at the Alps countries being so moderate to even mellow. The Seefeld courses are more or less what we saw in Cogne today. You can find tougher courses at your local ski club. Val Di Fiemme probably has the toughest tracks on the WC tour of the races in Italy, but unfortunately the lap lengths are 2.5-3.3 km these days.

Another thing, the pattern of weekends seems to be, skate sprint and interval start 10/15km. That is so dry and monotonous.
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16 Feb 2019 13:52

It was Winterton and Dixon but wansteadimp, good point, but they were already US-biased before that - it has got worse for sure in the last few years. Seems weird though since obviously their target markets are all external to the US. And while each nation's own commentators have a tendency to be one-eyed and myopic about their own, I have found American sports coverage (of genuinely international sports ar least) to be particularly bad for that, presumably as with lots of all-American sports to compete with, they fear losing the interest of the home audience if they aren't continuously pointing out the American competitors.

It just would be nice to hear about some other athletes once in a while and today, since a lot of the big names they have stats to hand on weren't there and they're usually too busy hyping the Americans and the big name Norwegians to notice anybody else, they seemingly knew nothing about any of the others competing, there was almost no discussion whatsoever of anybody other than the US competitors.
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16 Feb 2019 14:22

20-y-o Hagström 3rd for Sweden, although admittely in a less competitive field. And the best Swedes were missing (Nilsson, Sundling, Dahlqvist, Ingemarsdotter, Falk, Settlin). The amount of choice Sweden has for women sprint is incredible these days. At least that's one discipline, where Norway has been surpassed in XC.

Not to mention a week ago Sweden was 1st and 3rd in women team sprint despite missing Nilsson and Sundling and despite both teams tripping over themselves during the competition and dropping to the back. :razz:
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16 Feb 2019 16:43

kingjr wrote:Has anyone been? Berger won sprints with 2 misses but 2 misses was a good day for him.
He's won one with 3 even.[/quote]

OEB almost won a 20k individual with 5 misses against Mesotitsch, who had 1 miss. :D
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16 Feb 2019 16:59

zarnack wrote:In a way quite impressive if you can be 5th with 4 misses. That's almost half missed. Wonder, what is the all-time record for that one? I think in the early days of women biathlon Reztsova ended up quite high despite missing a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnc8qtcGwRA

And that was with only 2km ski loops!
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16 Feb 2019 17:06

Libertine Seguros wrote:
zarnack wrote:In a way quite impressive if you can be 5th with 4 misses. That's almost half missed. Wonder, what is the all-time record for that one? I think in the early days of women biathlon Reztsova ended up quite high despite missing a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnc8qtcGwRA

And that was with only 2km ski loops!


Yeah, she had some crazy things. Once got top ten in a pursuit with missing 10 of 40. :D
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16 Feb 2019 17:12

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Libertine Seguros wrote:
zarnack wrote:In a way quite impressive if you can be 5th with 4 misses. That's almost half missed. Wonder, what is the all-time record for that one? I think in the early days of women biathlon Reztsova ended up quite high despite missing a lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnc8qtcGwRA

And that was with only 2km ski loops!


Yeah, she had some crazy things. Once got top ten in a pursuit with missing 10 of 40. :D

More ridiculous than that - it was 10 of 20. Though she did win the sprint in fairness, so she was starting from a position of strength. She missed all 5 at prone 1 and then shot 10/15 after that, which is mediocre enough.

She also won silver at an U21 Worlds sprint despite only hitting 5 targets. Which would be crazy enough, except she was only 18 and would have been one of the youngest in the youth field, but was entered in the juniors 2 years early.
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16 Feb 2019 17:39

zarnack wrote:What I have noticed is that Herrmann has been slowly getting better and better as the season has moved on. A big result for her somewhere could potentially happen, a bit like it happened to Eckhoff last week.


Hah, wow, and it happened.
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