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What happened to Malaysian Flight MH370?

Catastrophic failure along flightpath
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13%
Plane kept flying, eventually crashed way off course
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13%
Terrorism, of some sort
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12%
Pilot error of some sort
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10%
Pilot sabotage of some sort
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14%
Hijacking - crashed (landed?) far away
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15%
Didn't you see Airport '77?
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11%
Wormhole
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13%
 
Total votes : 280

05 May 2014 12:27

hiero2 wrote:Well - that is far from a simple explanation - given that said hypothetical pilot would have to restrain all other flight crew for some time - since the dive did not happen when they turned. Quite possibly have to restrain some pax, too? Not a job for one guy.

That's the part we don't know about though. Here are a few questions I still haven't heard anyone answer with clarity:

• Could one of the pilots, while the other pilot was going to the bathroom, lock the door, and change the code on the lock keeping everyone out?

• Once that door is locked, just how impossible is it to break it down, or get through the bulkhead? Are there any tools on board, no matter how primitive, that with a good 4-5 hours a motivated group of people could get through?

• Is access to the 777's avionics through the floor in the cockpit, only? If so, the pilot could have disabled some of them. Though this isn't easy, if he studied up with a well prepared plan, he could have.

• Is there no possible way for anyone in the cabin to use any communications device to contact anyone outside the aircraft? Did anyone try? Do authorities know?

• Just how thorough of a background check did authorities in China and Malaysia do on the passengers?

• Is Malaysian Airlines 100% certain they know who was on board? Hence, there wasn't some sort of stowaway, someone who faked their identity, or got on board as a deadheading pilot or flight attendant that wasn't on the manifest?

• The "pings" that the detectors heard, had a radius of detection of...how far exactly? No one seems to know, or want to say. Are we talking about a 100sq mile radius? Or a 1000sq mile radius?
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05 May 2014 13:56

I think there has been a bit of a game of brinkmanship Going on here in terms of what else might be revealed by revealing information. Would nations be honest about what they tracked, or didn't track, on their radars?

They might prefer to hide their air defence inadequacies, or indeed strengths.
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24 Aug 2014 04:54

Alpe d'Huez wrote:That's the part we don't know about though. Here are a few questions I still haven't heard anyone answer with clarity:

• Could one of the pilots, while the other pilot was going to the bathroom, lock the door, and change the code on the lock keeping everyone out?

• Once that door is locked, just how impossible is it to break it down, or get through the bulkhead? Are there any tools on board, no matter how primitive, that with a good 4-5 hours a motivated group of people could get through?...

Yes, in the post-9/11 world, the occupants of the cockpit can prevent the door being unlocked. The head Flight Attendant has an emergency entry code, for use in the event both pilots should become incapacitated, but it works with a time delay. A cockpit alarm advises the override code has been entered, allowing some seconds before the door unlocks. The occupants can countermand it any time before the delay period lapses.

For obvious security reasons, no one is going to say just how "hard" the new cockpit door is. They allegedly are bulletproof, probably are made from carbonfibre and kevlar (or close cousins), with steel reinforcements at the hinges, the strike plate and the peep hole. A door that did weigh less than 15 kilos pre-9/11 now weighs about 55.

Whether anyone could break through the door given 4-5 hours, in this case, is immaterial because no one in the cabin will be conscious for more than a few minutes after the captain dumps (depressurises) the cabin. Since the advent of the pressurised aeroplane, pilots have recognised that their most effective defense against cockpit invasion (provided they are high enough) is to don their O2 masks and vent all cabin pressure outboard.

MH370 was cruising @FL350. Time of useful consciousness (without supplemental O2) at that altitude is 60 seconds, at the outside. All cabin O2 masks (including those of the the Flight Attendants) are of the "partial rebreather" type, which progressively loses effectiveness above FL250. @FL350, they deliver an O2 mole fraction too low to maintain consciousness for an extended period, even if sedentary.

This was a concession to cost-controls in the expectation that that the pilots' immediate response to a loss of cabin pressure would be to initiate an emergency descent to a more hospitable altitude. The problem, in this case, was that the pilot(s) had other plans.

Expert claims Flight MH370 pilot 'deliberately turned off passengers' oxygen supply' before ditching into sea
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10 Jun 2015 15:00

Did MH370 pilot fly into the ocean in a 'perfect' nose-dive? New theory suggests entering the water at 90 degrees would have kept the plane intact, which is why no wreckage has been found

* Vertical entry would have caused the least resistance, say researchers
* Mathematician: 'Forensics strongly supports MH370 plunged in nosedive'
* Team arrived at findings after studying scenarios on a supercomputer

By Simon Tomlinson for MailOnline

Published: 05:10 EST, 10 June 2015 | Updated: 07:32 EST, 10 June 2015

Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 vanished without a trace because the pilot pulled off a perfect nose-dive into the ocean, a new theory suggests.

A team of mathematicians concluded that the Boeing 777 must have plunged into the water at a 90-degree angle after analysing a series of computer simulations.

They say it is the only scenario that would have kept the aircraft intact and explains why no wreckage or oil has been found since it disappeared in March last year with 239 people on board.

Mathematician Goong Chen, who led the research team, said: 'The true final moments of MH370 are likely to remain a mystery until someday when its black box is finally recovered and decoded.

'But forensics strongly supports that MH370 plunged into the ocean in a nosedive.'

The researchers used a supercomputer to test five different landing scenarios including a gliding water entry like the one performed by Captain Chesley Sullenberger when he landed a U.S. Airways flight safely on the Hudson River in what is known as 'the miracle of the Hudson'.

However, this was discounted with MH370 because 'ditching a large airplane on the open Indian Ocean generally would involve waves of height several meters or more, easily causing breakup and the leak of debris.'

The team, from Texas A&M University at Qatar, said the most likely scenario was a vertical or very steep entry because it would have caused the least resistance – much like when a high diver enters the water with little splash.

This would have allowed it to remain completely intact before sinking to the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

The findings come a week after desperate families had their hopes dashed when officials announced they had virtually given up the search for the missing flight.

Salvage experts said the hunt would not be extended beyond the current search zone in the southern Indian Ocean despite earlier promises that it would be.

In April, the Australian-led Joint Agency Co-ordination Centre said if no clues to the aircraft's resting place were found in the current search area, the hunt would be doubled in size to cover 46,300 square miles.

But in a shock announcement, the agency said that governments involved in the search had agreed that in the absence of credible new information that leads to a specific location 'there will be no further expansion of the search area.'

Numerous false alarms have been raised since the aircraft vanished in March last year and those that have been followed up have proved to be worthless.

The search has included checks in remote islands in the Indian Ocean and in jungle and desert areas, stretching from the wastelands of Asia to the deep uncharted waters south west of Australia

[lots of maps and videos and such at the linked webpage]
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11 Jun 2015 12:09

Interesting theory. I would then wonder if the plane ditched more north along the glidepath than what they are thinking. That is, the pilot didn't depressurize and have everyone go to sleep. Instead, he flew along for a while, until he knew he was way, way out over the ocean, roughly the last satellite "ping", then did the nose dive.

One of the great mysteries of the 21st century so far, that's for sure. I have to wonder if it will eventually be a Robert Ballard type search that finds it.
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12 Jun 2015 16:06

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let's not argue the toss about the official count
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12 Jun 2015 19:50

I would like to chip in ....I told my Wife quite some time ago That Malaysia would start being in the headlines. The US want Governments on-board with their polices and political agenda. Malaysia does not tow the US line. The Missing plane is just one of many stories from Malaysia that have been in the headlines in recent times.
Look at the story that is all over the news right now. Its the nudists breaking the law in Malaysia.
Put that story in to context ,,,,its a nothing story. It would not make page 7 in a newspaper on any given day.
Did you know in Malaysia they showed a documentary on TV at peak time explaining how 9/11 was a US government inside job.
The media's job now is to show Malaysia in a bad light and chip away at those in charge for a US friendly regime.
You may think I have gone a conspiracy theory to far but It is Starting to happen and you watch , we will see more stories coming out that will try and make Malaysia look bad and their leaders.
As for the Plane I have no idea. Seems to be a lot of miss information....Something is not right. There a lots of ways to track a Plane besides the usual communication. Engine transmitter data etc Something going on here IMO. Someone knows exactly what happened to that plane.
The news media were trying to set up the Pilot as a patsy ,,,,that's Bulls%%%.
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13 Jun 2015 14:22



Maybe, but it seems fish-y to me:

“It was unusual, very unusual. It was big and it was flying low. It was a holiday (Saturday) and most people had gone to bed after praying.”


So, "gone to bed after praying" sounds like evening/night-time.

IT manager Ahmed Shiyaam, 34, said he was riding with his daughter that morning when he stopped and looked up at the sky and saw a plane fly low.


So, morning it is.

“It was very big, very noisy, flying low. Later that afternoon on the beach I was told the news about the missing plane. I think this is the same flight.”


Can't be evening/night according to the last guy quoted.

Maybe they go to bed after morning prayers on a Saturday/Sabbath.
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30 Jul 2015 17:19

Part of an aeroplane wing which has been identified as a "flaperon" from a Boeing 777 was found washed ashore on Reunion Island, almost 4000 km wide of MH370's flight path, and almost all the way to Madagascar. Some sources claim MH370 is the only possible source for the debris.
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30 Jul 2015 18:05

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31 Jul 2015 16:15

Boeing engineers have examined the flaperon and confirmed it is from a 777. And they stated that MH370 is the only missing 777 in that vicinity.
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31 Jul 2015 18:05

How would you feel if your relative or loved one died on that flight ,the way these things are chucked out in the air leaving the relatives in a awful position,,,, ,some thing not right about this whole situation. Its been handled really badly.
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31 Jul 2015 18:51

ray j willings wrote:How would you feel if your relative or loved one died on that flight ,the way these things are chucked out in the air leaving the relatives in a awful position,,,, ,some thing not right about this whole situation. Its been handled really badly.

It will come out in due time but the Russian's and ISIS hijacked this plane and have it in the Himalaya's at a super double secret hide out. They are going to use it to fly it into Meca, to start the end of all battles between the Lexus clan vs the Infinity clan. No doubt about it. Putin went out to see GW bush a month before this all went down to get W's approval. Without it they were worried how the Chinese might react. Now that they have the bird they are calling up North Korea to see if they want to buy it from them at a discounted rate.
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01 Aug 2015 05:08

Glenn_Wilson wrote:
ray j willings wrote:How would you feel if your relative or loved one died on that flight ,the way these things are chucked out in the air leaving the relatives in a awful position,,,, ,some thing not right about this whole situation. Its been handled really badly.

It will come out in due time but the Russian's and ISIS hijacked this plan and have it in the Himalaya's at a super double secret hide out. They are going to use it to fly it into Meca, to start the end of all battles between the Lexus clan vs the Infinity clan. No doubt about it. Putin went out to see GW bush a month before this all went down to get W's approval. Without it they were worried how the Chinese might react. Now that they have the bird they are calling up North Korea to see if they want to buy it from them at a discounted rate.


freaky.....

my mothers brothers step sisters aunties cousins mate who lives round the corner told me that their hairdresser was chatting to this dude the other day who knew a bloke who was drinking at the same pub and over heard the exact same thing

who would of thunk it

i love a good coincidence
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01 Aug 2015 16:53

I had a dream last night that was almost identical to that, only that Putin was chanelling the spirit of a drunk Boris Yeltsin. And it was a reincarnation of the Shah of Iran that was working with ISIS, and they were hiding the 777 in the nuclear reactor facility in Iran, which is why they won't let John Kerry in there.
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01 Aug 2015 19:54

Alpe d'Huez wrote:I had a dream last night that was almost identical to that, only that Putin was chanelling the spirit of a drunk Boris Yeltsin. And it was a reincarnation of the Shah of Iran that was working with ISIS, and they were hiding the 777 in the nuclear reactor facility in Iran, which is why they won't let John Kerry in there.


That does explain why they won't let John Kerry in there. So glad you had that dream.
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Alpe d'Huez wrote:I had a dream last night that was almost identical to that, only that Putin was chanelling the spirit of a drunk Boris Yeltsin. And it was a reincarnation of the Shah of Iran that was working with ISIS, and they were hiding the 777 in the nuclear reactor facility in Iran, which is why they won't let John Kerry in there.


This dream of yours - was Putin wearing a shirt? :D
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03 Aug 2015 16:41

Barnacles on debris could provide clues to missing MH370 - experts

Possibly could tell if the debris is too old to be from MH370, less likely it could give clues to the course it took.
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03 Aug 2015 17:07

Well, if it's from a 777, it's definitely MH370, as there have been very few incidents with the aircraft. In fact, the nearest one some 8,000 miles away, shot down over the Ukraine-Russia border. The other two were landing mishaps at airports.

The latest chunk of metal however thought to be perhaps from the plane, has been ruled out.
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05 Aug 2015 21:13

Wing part washed up on beach is from missing MH-370, Malaysia confirms

Officials state it could be weeks or months before any meaningful forensic information is developed from examination of the debris.
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