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Re: British politics

17 Jun 2017 15:08

....don't know if this has been done thoroughly but some technical thingees about the recent tragic fire in London....and that for the sake of $6000 bit ? what a stupid bit of wrongheaded thinking...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a26951/grenfell-tower-blaze/?src=nl&mag=pop&list=nl_pnl_news&date=061717

Today, one major question remains, how did the fire spread so rapidly?

According to news reports since the fire, the answer, in part, seems to lie in cladding that was applied to the building as part of a refurbishment completed last year. Described as "rain screen cladding," it was added partly to improve the appearance of the building. A London newspaper has suggested that the cladding was to make the raw concrete tower less ugly when seen from new luxury housing nearby. (Public housing aside, Kensington is a prestige neighborhood where the average apartment price exceeds $1.7 million.)

However, similar cladding has been implicated in having worsened several previous fires. The type used in Grenfell Tower has been identified by the BBC as Reynobond, which consists of two thin sheets of aluminum sandwiching an insulating filling. The filling may be mineral wool or plastic. In this case it was an extruded thermoplastic called polyethylene – the same material used to make plastic bags. Polyethylene has a very low melting point and drips as it burns. This means the fire can spread upwards with the rising flames and downwards with melted, burning plastic at the same time


Another troubling element about this already terrible story: The Times of London reports that a fireproof version of the cladding used on Grenfell tower would have added just $6,000 more to what was already a $12 million refurbishment.



The UK's Building Research Establishment (BRE) carried out tests with this type of panel, and noted that "the panel, when exposed to the high temperatures of a developed fire, will tend to delaminate between the facing and core material, due to a combination of expansion of the membrane and softening of the bond line." In other words, the aluminum facings fall off, leaving the flammable plastic core exposed. Another troubling element about this already terrible story: The Times of London reports that a fireproof version of the cladding used on Grenfell tower would have added just $6,000 more to what was already a $12 million refurbishment.

There have been similar incidents around the world. A huge fire claimed The Address, a tower block in Dubai, on December 31 2015. This was an external cladding fire, with hot metal and melted core material showering down in the area and causing fires on adjacent roofs. The next day the area was found to be covered in the delaminated aluminum casings. Aluminum cladding with a plastic core was held responsible for the Lacrosse Building fire in Melbourne, Australia, in 2014. Fire raced through the building in minutes, due to the supposedly resistant cladding called Alucobest.

Although the cladding is the source of the problem, the way it's installed can also make matters even worse. Usually there is a gap between the cladding and the building, and if flames get caught in the gap, they will stretch out seeking fuel and oxygen. The visible flames in the fire are several feet high, but according to the BRE, inside a cavity they can be stretched out five to ten times as long. The gap between building and cladding effectively acts as a pipe carrying flame: "This may enable fire to spread rapidly, unseen, through the external cladding system, if appropriate fire barriers have not been provided," it says.


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Re: British politics

19 Jun 2017 08:43

blutto wrote:....don't know if this has been done thoroughly but some technical thingees about the recent tragic fire in London....and that for the sake of $6000 bit ? what a stupid bit of wrongheaded thinking...

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a26951/grenfell-tower-blaze/?src=nl&mag=pop&list=nl_pnl_news&date=061717

Today, one major question remains, how did the fire spread so rapidly?

According to news reports since the fire, the answer, in part, seems to lie in cladding that was applied to the building as part of a refurbishment completed last year. Described as "rain screen cladding," it was added partly to improve the appearance of the building. A London newspaper has suggested that the cladding was to make the raw concrete tower less ugly when seen from new luxury housing nearby. (Public housing aside, Kensington is a prestige neighborhood where the average apartment price exceeds $1.7 million.)

However, similar cladding has been implicated in having worsened several previous fires. The type used in Grenfell Tower has been identified by the BBC as Reynobond, which consists of two thin sheets of aluminum sandwiching an insulating filling. The filling may be mineral wool or plastic. In this case it was an extruded thermoplastic called polyethylene – the same material used to make plastic bags. Polyethylene has a very low melting point and drips as it burns. This means the fire can spread upwards with the rising flames and downwards with melted, burning plastic at the same time


Another troubling element about this already terrible story: The Times of London reports that a fireproof version of the cladding used on Grenfell tower would have added just $6,000 more to what was already a $12 million refurbishment.



The UK's Building Research Establishment (BRE) carried out tests with this type of panel, and noted that "the panel, when exposed to the high temperatures of a developed fire, will tend to delaminate between the facing and core material, due to a combination of expansion of the membrane and softening of the bond line." In other words, the aluminum facings fall off, leaving the flammable plastic core exposed. Another troubling element about this already terrible story: The Times of London reports that a fireproof version of the cladding used on Grenfell tower would have added just $6,000 more to what was already a $12 million refurbishment.

There have been similar incidents around the world. A huge fire claimed The Address, a tower block in Dubai, on December 31 2015. This was an external cladding fire, with hot metal and melted core material showering down in the area and causing fires on adjacent roofs. The next day the area was found to be covered in the delaminated aluminum casings. Aluminum cladding with a plastic core was held responsible for the Lacrosse Building fire in Melbourne, Australia, in 2014. Fire raced through the building in minutes, due to the supposedly resistant cladding called Alucobest.

Although the cladding is the source of the problem, the way it's installed can also make matters even worse. Usually there is a gap between the cladding and the building, and if flames get caught in the gap, they will stretch out seeking fuel and oxygen. The visible flames in the fire are several feet high, but according to the BRE, inside a cavity they can be stretched out five to ten times as long. The gap between building and cladding effectively acts as a pipe carrying flame: "This may enable fire to spread rapidly, unseen, through the external cladding system, if appropriate fire barriers have not been provided," it says.


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I've read this elsewhere too, pretty horrific cost cutting.

Worthwhile pointing out that it has been said that while the cladding could no doubt contribute significantly to the spread of the fire, it also spread internally, indicating that there was likely something else going on in the internal structure that allowed it to propagate so quickly.
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19 Jun 2017 09:32

There were also no fire alarms, sprinklers or fire extinguishers.

No external fire exits like you have in the states either. Just a general lack of care.
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20 Jun 2017 07:48

I found this journalist/economist Andrew Lilico, whom I'd never heard of before, and truly realised how much fear Corbyn strikes in the hearts of the right. A lying dangerous Marxist extremist; a terrorist sympathiser; appointer of communists and a man with terrible ideals, like abandoning nuclear weapons (a policy in thought of in all countries of the world, mainly because 95% don't have any in the first place) and nationalisation on the scale of Germany and France. Lunatic. This clearly makes him unfit to be PM. And he wants to abolish the monarchy. Maybe. Not officially but it's what he DREAMS of at night. To EXECUTE the Queen. The traitor.
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20 Jun 2017 09:32

Pretty sure the eu are just trolling us right now. Macron is telling is that the door is always open, and until yesterday they kept making comments about how they are way more prepared than us.

I mean, turning up without negotiation papers probably didn't help our cause, and Barnier very explicitly said that there is no way that we have any say in anything. Which isn't a surprise to a lot of people as after all it is 27 against 1. Davis caved in after five minutes about the scheduling of the talks, and we can now expect a 100 billion bill, which the eu is asking for just because they can really. There is not much logic behind that number but we are so hapless that we'll end up paying it. The trade deal or whatever won't be negotiated until after the bill, citizen's rights and the Irish border have been decided, so basically the trade deal will begin to be discussed a week or so before the talks end. On a side note, Davis looked very dishevelled and slightly out of it - I mean I don't blame him, I would be too if I had to work with David Davis every day. But I think the realisation of how utterly unprepared they are has dawned on him.
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16 Jul 2017 22:47

I love seeing Tories genuinely considering David Davis as a leader. And Jacob Rees Mogg. The good leaders in the conservatives are ever scarcer than in Labour - such is the dearth of quality currently.

Anyway, things have settled down sort of: a government has been formed, May has all but given up and has begun asking Labour for policy ideas, Corbyn has gone to speak with Barnier in Brussels almost the same amount of times that May has, and the Tories are still confused about what they want to achieve in the next five years. Notably Hammond, who is probably the most cautious and sensible when it comes to Brexit among the Tories (transitional deal etc., perhaps staying in the single market - something which the Leave campaign often claimed they wanted to stay in), hates public sector workers and has claimed they are "overpaid", and that driving a modern train is so easy "even a woman could do it". He has denied the latter, but not the former and rightly so: it is a disgrace that nurses are going to foodbanks; they should be homeless.

The great repeal bill has come out, but it's not particularly well thought out (surprise there) and promises to give the government 'Henry VIII' powers, which allows them to pass whatever they want without parliament. Labour aren't happy, and with the slim majority they will want to block it until there is actual parliamentary oversight and we don't have a bunch of Tories deciding what we can and cannot have any more than they are now.
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17 Jul 2017 19:56

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17 Jul 2017 19:59

Jagartrott wrote:Image

I bought that same table from IKEA.
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Re: Re:

17 Jul 2017 21:34

Semper Fidelis wrote:
Jagartrott wrote:Image

I bought that same table from IKEA.

Good to see the EU funds aren't going to furniture then. Although most of them end up in expenses or administration anyway. I like that Davis forgot his notes, shows his skill and suitability to the role.

In other news, today I found out that if you make up your opposition's manifesto pledges, you can hold them to account when they say they're not going to do it. Clever.
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Re: British politics

05 Aug 2017 21:16

Leaked Photos Link Corbyn To Known International Terrorist


http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/casino-1.jpg

DAMNING photos which show Labour party leader Jeremy Corbyn talking to a notorious international terrorist have been found online, reinforcing calls in Westminster for the traitor to step down.

The photos, which span over the last 20 years, show Corbyn discussing matters of state with former Prime Minister Tony Blair, whose decision to commit British troops to a war in Iraq in 2003 based on false information has catapulted him to the top of the international terrorist list.

Blair, who many believe acted in full knowledge that the intelligence surrounding Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction was falsified, is held responsible for the deaths of thousands of soldiers and innocent civilians, with a recent attempt to privately prosecute him for his actions being narrowly defeated in the UK high court.

As such, his appearance in photos with Jeremy Corbyn has led to further calls for the Labour leader to stand down on the grounds of treason.


http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/08/02/leaked-photos-link-corbyn-to-known-international-terrorist

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03 Oct 2017 17:36

Why is Boris Johnson allowed to say lie after lie and not get chased up for it? Is it because he's funny? Just another "oh Boris" moment?
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04 Oct 2017 15:57

May is doing so poorly (her speech today being the latest in a series of disasters) that I'm almost starting to feel sorry for her.

Almost.
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10 Oct 2017 13:31

Race review reveals gaping inequality in the UK
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/10/race-review-reveals-gaping-inequality-uk-171010112623905.html

Actress Kelechi Okafor wrote on Twitter: "The extent of racism in Britain is only 'Shocking' to those who haven't been paying attention."


Twitter user Funmi Adebayo said: "The #raceaudit sadly only looks into the public sector. I imagine the racial disparities are much worse within the private sector."
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01 Nov 2017 22:24

Michael Fallon resigns, apparently due to a historical sexual harassment claim with a journalist whose knee he put his hand on. The whole sexual harassment/abuse allegations are like the expenses scandal mark two. However, I cannot believe Michael Fallon, a man who has never had an original thought in his life - a mouthpiece and attack-dog for those higher up or just more intelligent that him, would resign over such a matter. Let's be fair here: the allegation is minor. Stuff to temporarily damage a reputation, not destroy a career he's spent his life working on. Therefore there has to be more behind it. Much more serious allegations incoming, which Fallon knows will come out so has decided to get himself out of the spotlight already? Or was Tory HQ already planning on getting rid of him and found this a convenient moment to do so, as it simultaneously shows that the cabinet is very real about sealing with historical sexual harassment cases? Or was Fallon already planning on resigning as Hammond was planning to take money away from his ministry? Maybe Fallon was ready to take a sword for the party and draw attention away from the 36 man (maybe woman too) list. Strikes me as odd as it would only further investigation into that and just pour fuel on the fire. Funny business.
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Re: Re:

02 Nov 2017 08:52

Brullnux wrote:Good to see the EU funds aren't going to furniture then.


25,000 panniers
150,000 briefcase
5,000 clutch bags
6,000 umbrellas
6,000 windbreakers
29,000 ties
8,000 bracelets
9,500 USB key
300,000 badge holders
200,000 pens (as though MEP's don't have their own pens)
200,000 scratch pads
6,500 folders
500 bath towels

all this cost €3 million.
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02 Nov 2017 10:28

Wow, that's 0.006€ per EU citizen!!!!!!11!!!!!1!
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02 Nov 2017 19:02

Echoes wrote:
Brullnux wrote:Good to see the EU funds aren't going to furniture then.


25,000 panniers
150,000 briefcase
5,000 clutch bags
6,000 umbrellas
6,000 windbreakers
29,000 ties
8,000 bracelets
9,500 USB key
300,000 badge holders
200,000 pens (as though MEP's don't have their own pens)
200,000 scratch pads
6,500 folders
500 bath towels

all this cost €3 million.

Is that a year or ever? Considering Macron spends 25000 on his make-up that's not bad. Every redecoration of the White House costs half of that, for something that is purely for aesthetic (free folders, USB keys, badge holders and pens are extremely common in businesses).
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