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12 May 2017 13:15

King Boonen wrote:Not sure why anyone would worry about costings, renationalising things does very little to the budget deficit, especially considering subsidies already being paid. It's more about whether the state can effectively run the industries and provide benefit. I think mail has flown the coup and should be left but power and rail absolutely should come back under state control.

The costing problem isn't with renationalisation but the other spending pledges which go up to between 60-95 billion depending who you ask (IFS said 60 (I think) and Daily Mail said 95 - basically it's 60). I agree with all of the spending pledges and think they are both good and necessary, however there is a problem with where the money will come from.

I agree with the neoliberal consensus (but also Keynesian) that in the modern world it is necessary to have a 3% deficit or less so that investors aren't scared off. That's probably the main reason why it isn't a good idea to have a larger one. Labour have committed to a surplus, and I will wait to see their actual manifesto to see how it's achievable.

Corbyn's policy on energy could be very good. It isn't total nationalisation, but allows smaller regional companies to keep the private ones in check. A centrally planned energy company wouldn't be successful and hasn't been successful in the past due to the UK's apparent inadequacy at running anything, so much so that even now when everything is privatised, it's usually foreign comapnies running them. Trains and mail makes perfect sense.

Labour's main problem now is convincing the electorate Corbyn will make a good PM. And it's a big problem.
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12 May 2017 15:55

Jagartrott wrote:I think the strategy by Corbyn is very good: offer a very clear alternative and a clear break from the new-Labour time. Gloves off, go for broke.


I think you are correct. Its about offering a clear alternative to the central ground, but it isn't the Conservatives that Labour are hoping to beat its the Liberal Democrats. Labour will be delighted with anything that isn't total oblivion.
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18 May 2017 09:31

After the hammering Diane Abbott (Shadow Home secretary) took across all media about not knowing her figures it's refreshing to see Philip Hammond (Actual Chancellor of the Exchequer) getting the exact same hammering in the media for not knowing his figures and his hypocrisy of accusing labour of not doing something in their manifesto budget which he himself didn't do in his own budget.


Oh wait...
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18 May 2017 15:34

Nice to see May get the same hammering for forgetting that the sterling crashed the day after the referendum, not before. Also nice to see the tories put out a fully costed, detailed manifesto with many important policies that might make a difference.

Oh wait...
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18 May 2017 15:36

No Levenson 2 and no Section 40... Purely a coincidence...
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18 May 2017 16:09

Yeah not because this way May tightens her grip on all of the media and she can truly become the Supreme Leader with personal propaganda machines being sold to 5 million people daily as 'news'.

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18 May 2017 16:54

I read through the manifesto. Well, skimmed it as I don't have the will to read through 88 pages of meaningless words and phrases

It is a lot of nothing. Everything lacks a lot of substance and detail. Clever from May. She knows the mail and sun will provide their adulation with fawning attention whatever happens and she'll win the election. May as well get elected on a carte blanche, live up to the four promises you've made and for the rest do whatever it is you want.
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21 May 2017 00:13

Brullnux wrote:I read through the manifesto. Well, skimmed it as I don't have the will to read through 88 pages of meaningless words and phrases

It is a lot of nothing. Everything lacks a lot of substance and detail. Clever from May. She knows the mail and sun will provide their adulation with fawning attention whatever happens and she'll win the election. May as well get elected on a carte blanche, live up to the four promises you've made and for the rest do whatever it is you wan :( t.

The 'death tax' is an absolute disgrace. Die early in your old age if you want pass anything onto your family :( Having to produce ID to vote is simply an attempt to remove labour votes (I think voting fraud was something like 0.000025%!). I could go on and on but I'll just leave it with a couple of wee digs (relatively small but all you need to know about May and the Tories and HER PALS), fox hunting, ivory trading.
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21 May 2017 01:56

Brullnux wrote:I read through the manifesto. Well, skimmed it as I don't have the will to read through 88 pages of meaningless words and phrases

It is a lot of nothing. Everything lacks a lot of substance and detail. Clever from May. She knows the mail and sun will provide their adulation with fawning attention whatever happens and she'll win the election. May as well get elected on a carte blanche, live up to the four promises you've made and for the rest do whatever it is you want.


Fair play for even skim-reading a Tory manifesto, that's dedication to being informed. I think I'd shoot myself in the head if I did that.

I'm waiting for them to get elected and go crazy with the Henry VIII powers, May to exercise all her wildest dictatorial desires.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/01/great-repeal-bill-henry-viii-britain-eu-government
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22 May 2017 17:04

Tories in full panic and self-destruction mode. I wonder if their call for early election will be among the biggest backfiring events in history (I hope so).
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22 May 2017 18:27

Jagartrott wrote:Tories in full panic and self-destruction mode. I wonder if their call for early election will be among the biggest backfiring events in history (I hope so).

It's brilliant. They are doing their upmost best to lose this election. Even daily mail readers are beginning to turn against them. Even just losing 6 seats to Labour would mean a hung parliament, already backfiring hugely. I still very much doubt it will happen, but Corbyn is a natural campaigner - this is the one thing he is good at. If the momentum doesn't change (which it probably will as brits are notoriously fickle), then Labour could snatch a few seats off the tories. Liberals will too, especially the likes of Twickenham and Bath.
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23 May 2017 04:36

Thoughts go out to those injured and killed in Manchester last night. Let's hope UK politicians don't exploit this tragedy for their own ends.
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23 May 2017 09:52

the isis took the responsibility according to debkafile...
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25 May 2017 20:16

The party’s deputy chair and manifesto lead, Suzanne Evans, said Ukip’s previously announced plan to permit only zero net migration would now include a “social attitudes” test, in which people found to have discriminatory attitudes towards women or gay people would not be allowed in.


I'm guessing half of the ukip members are getting kicked out of the country as well then.
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25 May 2017 23:41

SNP GE manifesto, scheduled for Tuesday in Edinburgh this week, was quite rightly postponed after what happened in Manchester. Now scheduled for next Tuesday in Perth. Will probably head up for it, only a 30 minute drive.
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26 May 2017 08:25

Scottish Conservative billboard cars were out and about in Glasgow West End yesterday. I thought they said they weren't campaigning?
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26 May 2017 16:33

They restart today, guess they wanted a head start.

Katie Hopkins sacked from LBC after calling for a "final solution" after the Manchester attacks. Whether she actually meant genocide is unlikely (not impossible, it's Katie Hopkins) but that was an appalling choice of words.
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28 May 2017 18:58

Brullnux wrote:They restart today, guess they wanted a head start.

Katie Hopkins sacked from LBC after calling for a "final solution" after the Manchester attacks. Whether she actually meant genocide is unlikely (not impossible, it's Katie Hopkins) but that was an appalling choice of words.


She may not have meant it, but she knew exactly what she was doing
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29 May 2017 09:37

I think all the Lefties, Lib Dem supporters and true Labour supporters here are going to be disappointed when the Tories win with relative ease (though probably not a landslide)
In the actual election campaign so far Labour have, admittedly, been more impressive. Though I ideologically find fault with their manifesto, it does provide a clear alternative for left leaning voters. Furthermore, Corbyn's campaigning is far more impressive than May's.
However, the fact is that the UK will stick with the Tories due to the fact that May successfully stabilized the government after assuming office, preventing a catastrophe.
Furthermore, the UK will certainly want a Tory government dealing with Brexit.
Lastly, over the past year Labour has effectively destroyed itself. It will certainly not get any votes from the electorate who are leaning towards the right, and will have lost a lot of its own supporters. It is definitely impossible for them to cause a hung parliament.
I predict the Tories will gain a few more seat.
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29 May 2017 21:01

Well, Paxman's lost his touch.

Corbyn very good, May OK until paxman laid into her for a couple of minutes, then he backed off again. She finished off well, because Paxman was convinced his line of questioning was getting somewhere, when it quite clearly wasn't. He also spent half his interview with Corbyn talking about what wasn't in the manifesto, which was entertaining.
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