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25 May 2016 02:49

"On Facebook, a group called Taylor Swift for Fascist Europe has over 18,000 likes. The group's community manager—who remains anonymous— tells Broadly in an email that he wishes "to preserve Europe" through fascism. "Not only has fascism traditionally opposed Marxism, rather than simple opposition to Communism in the spirit of many traditional conservative ideologies, but anti-Marxist principles are at the core of its ideology," he writes. "Only through the destruction of Marxism can Europe be restored to its former glory, and only fascism can ensure this destruction." Although he doesn't believe Swift is "red pilling" the masses, he says he believes that she embodies the Aryan "spirit." "

"Being Aryan is not simply a matter of blood, but it is also a matter of spirit," the community manager writes in an email to Broadly. "Take Kim Kardashian or Miley Cyrus as examples of this: both began their lives with the same Nordic blood that Swift did, but what makes these two degenerates unfit for consideration as fascist icons? It is because, although Aryan in blood, the two are not Aryan in spirit. To be Aryan in spirit is what completes the fascist."

Now, actual fascists adore Swift. The Daily Stormer has published 24 posts about Swift, including "Aryan Goddess Taylor Swift Accused of Racism for Behaving Like an Ape in a Music Video" and "Memification: Top Feminist Calls Taylor Swift a Nazi." As Yiannopoulos points out, blogger Michael Collins worries that Swift has "succumbed" to the "Merchant," which is Nazi code for "Jewish."

"It's incredible really that she's surrounded by these filthy, perverted Jews, and yet she remains capable of exuding 1950s purity, femininity and innocence," Anglin says. "She is the anti-Miley. While Miley is out having gang-bangs with colored gentlemen, she is at home with her cat reading Jane Austen.""

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/cant-shake-it-off-how-taylor-swift-became-a-nazi-idol?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Vox%20Sentences%205/23/16&utm_term=Vox%20Newsletter%20All
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25 May 2016 03:56

aphronesis wrote:"On Facebook, a group called Taylor Swift for Fascist Europe has over 18,000 likes. The group's community manager—who remains anonymous— tells Broadly in an email that he wishes "to preserve Europe" through fascism. "Not only has fascism traditionally opposed Marxism, rather than simple opposition to Communism in the spirit of many traditional conservative ideologies, but anti-Marxist principles are at the core of its ideology," he writes. "Only through the destruction of Marxism can Europe be restored to its former glory, and only fascism can ensure this destruction." Although he doesn't believe Swift is "red pilling" the masses, he says he believes that she embodies the Aryan "spirit." "

"Being Aryan is not simply a matter of blood, but it is also a matter of spirit," the community manager writes in an email to Broadly. "Take Kim Kardashian or Miley Cyrus as examples of this: both began their lives with the same Nordic blood that Swift did, but what makes these two degenerates unfit for consideration as fascist icons? It is because, although Aryan in blood, the two are not Aryan in spirit. To be Aryan in spirit is what completes the fascist."

Now, actual fascists adore Swift. The Daily Stormer has published 24 posts about Swift, including "Aryan Goddess Taylor Swift Accused of Racism for Behaving Like an Ape in a Music Video" and "Memification: Top Feminist Calls Taylor Swift a Nazi." As Yiannopoulos points out, blogger Michael Collins worries that Swift has "succumbed" to the "Merchant," which is Nazi code for "Jewish."

"It's incredible really that she's surrounded by these filthy, perverted Jews, and yet she remains capable of exuding 1950s purity, femininity and innocence," Anglin says. "She is the anti-Miley. While Miley is out having gang-bangs with colored gentlemen, she is at home with her cat reading Jane Austen.""

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/cant-shake-it-off-how-taylor-swift-became-a-nazi-idol?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Vox%20Sentences%205/23/16&utm_term=Vox%20Newsletter%20All


Anders Breivic? You there?
Serious question for anyone familiar with Norwegian law:
Is Breivic allowed to post messages and create facebook groups while in jail?
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29 May 2016 11:21

The French Wikipedia page of Right-Wing Anarchism defines the stream as some violent criticism against a minority of intellectuals, its inefficiency and its dangers. The intellectuals are submissive to the dominant democratic ideology and are meant to consolidate intellectual conformism that is implied by such type of government.

Another source of democratic power that it attacks is the “conformism of crowds”. This “power of the people”, this “fervor of the crowd”, Right-Wing Anarchism rejects as manipulation. It only accepts the “individual revolt”, which opposes any kind of institutional authority or self-proclaimed intellectual authority. That is how Louis-Ferdinand Céline in his “Journey to the End of the Night” shows how he is scorned and thrown sarcasms at by his contemporaries for his supposed “lack of patriotism” when he refused to go to the front during WWI.

What feeds the anarcho-rightist thinking is the revolted individual against an oppressive and alienating society. But the right-wing anarchist also campaigns for a renewal of aristocratic principles. Unlike the individualistic anarchist (Max Stirner, etc.), he does not fight against the “oppression” supposedly implied by the traditionalist morality or by religion. On the contrary, he defends and implements strict moral values in which he firmly believes in (justice, honour, duty, etc.) against a society which denies or perverts them. To human vanity, “imbecility”, ugliness, (I would add: mediocrity), he opposes some kind of loftiness and a deep respect for moral values – often considered right-wing values – which he adheres to.

Right-Wing anarchism was often conveyed in cinema by famous actors, says the Wiki page:

The Swiss actor Michel Simon in “The Two of Us” and “Le bateau d’Émile.
Jean Gabin in “A Monkey in Winter” (based on the novel by Antoine Blondin; Blondin, Audiard & Gabin are three cycling-friendly figures), “God’s Thunder” and most of all “La traversée de Paris”. I might add almost each of Gabin’s post WWII films.
Kurt Russell in Escape From New York and Escape from L.A.

The right-wing anarchist films starring Jean Gabin with dialogues written by Michel Audiard or Pascal Jardin taught me more about society than any sociological works from any university professors whatsoever.

Film critic Jean-François Giré also argued that the Western Spaghetti genre (in particular the Zapata genre) could be considered “right-wing anarchists”. It often features a “redemptor”, a righter of wrongs (like in Giovanni Fago’s “O Cangaceiro”), a disillusioned revolutionary who keep on rebelling against a corrupted bourgeoisie when all former mates had become bandits (like in Sergio Corbucci’s “Gli specialisti”), most of these films have respect for religion and a lot of religious symbolism (like in Carlo Lizzani’s Requiescant, Sergio Sollima’s La Resa dei Conti and Corri Uomo Corri or Giulio Questi’s Se sei vivo spara) and also some acid criticism of the good-thinking “politically correct” intellectual class (Sollima’s Faccia a Faccia).

By the turn of the seventies, the Western Spaghetti genre faded and left the room for the poliziottesco genre (with usually the same actors, as in the Western spaghs such as Tomas Milian and Ray Lovelock and the same scriptwriters too). It would often feature an uncompromising commissar on a personal vendetta against a bandit, defying his own usually corrupt or lax hierarchy. Those films were extremely violent (sometimes gore but not the majority of them), to the point of nihilism sometimes. It all started with Carlo Lizzani’s Bandits in Milan. It influenced the whole Dirty Harry saga and the Death Wish’s in the USA. You can talk of a cross-influence. The later Jean-Paul Belmondo films could also be ascribed to that genre (“Le professionnel”, “Le marginal”, etc.). The Left-wing critic constantly red-baited those films. In particular Enzo Castellari’s High Crime (La polizia incrimina la legge assolve) was accused of “fascism”, “justicialism” or “Idontcarism”.

Personally, I’d love to see some kind of “right-wing anarchist” films in current cinema. I cannot see any. It’s all too dull now. Those were men’s films, with humour, with dignity, with revolts, with frankness, deprived of cheap sentimentality and of beating around the bush. Films for hard persons, men or women. It could include tenderness but it never was dull.
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02 Jun 2016 19:20

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02 Jun 2016 20:08

the delgados wrote:
Starstruck wrote:
"Being" in the world requires some amount of intellectual exercise, no?


Of course but the most moral/ethical people I've ever known aren't trying to be Aristotle either. Usually they're very simple humans.


I can assure you I'm a very simple human being. According to some, I'm "simple' in more than one sense of the word.
I'm too simple to argue against.
I've spent many years earning a living trying to help others achieve some semblance of equality, but I've learned that some are either a) too busy trying to earn enough money to put a roof over their head rather than keep up with politics; or b) too stupid to listen.
I love the idea of anarchy in the true sense of the definition.
But yeah...


I've always understood anarchy as the rule of everyone, which would suit me, but there is the problem of prepotency. Sooner or later this status becomes Orwelian. Aphro's Stones' psychadelia was merely a commercial driven utopia.
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02 Jun 2016 21:01

rhubroma wrote:
the delgados wrote:
Starstruck wrote:
"Being" in the world requires some amount of intellectual exercise, no?


Of course but the most moral/ethical people I've ever known aren't trying to be Aristotle either. Usually they're very simple humans.


I can assure you I'm a very simple human being. According to some, I'm "simple' in more than one sense of the word.
I'm too simple to argue against.
I've spent many years earning a living trying to help others achieve some semblance of equality, but I've learned that some are either a) too busy trying to earn enough money to put a roof over their head rather than keep up with politics; or b) too stupid to listen.
I love the idea of anarchy in the true sense of the definition.
But yeah...


I've always understood anarchy as the rule of everyone, which would suit me, but there is the problem of prepotency. Sooner or later this status becomes Orwelian. Aphro's Stones' psychadelia was merely a commercial driven utopia.


i view it as the same old dream of a tribal/clan (150 people or less day to day) existence whereby personal responsibility makes everyone stronger to survive. Skills are past on as a matter of course (your old age depends on it as much as the younger generation). Autonomy and collective responsibility are a confluence. very few of us live in that sort of community these days obviously. Those that do are remote and overwhelmed by the natural world still; hardship and freedom are still the binary rather than comfort and security.

Still, it's a worthwhile thorn in the side to the hierarchical, patriarchal zoo we're accustomed to.
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03 Jun 2016 02:57

@Starstruck and others:
What say you about Petr Pavlensky (sp?)
After accidentally coming across his body of work (no pun intended), I'm embarrassed to say I've never heard of him.
Fascinating guy.
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03 Jun 2016 06:19

rhubroma wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/28/petr-pavlensky-appears-court-russia-setting-fire-to-lubyanka-protest


Wow.

I recently read that he was declared sane, which allows him to stand trial. That's awesome.
Apparently many people in the past who ruffled feathers were declared insane and sent to prison for a long time.
Nothing to see hear, folks. Let's just move on.
His trial will be a work of art.
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08 Jun 2016 00:03

the delgados wrote:@Starstruck and others:
What say you about Petr Pavlensky (sp?)
After accidentally coming across his body of work (no pun intended), I'm embarrassed to say I've never heard of him.
Fascinating guy.


He'll just be written off as crazy by the majority I strongly suspect. Pranking or punking the structure is funny but futile. Unfortunately for him I suspect he'll be on the receiving end of some "performance art" in prison.
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08 Jun 2016 00:05

WHEN DOES EQUALITY FLOURISH?
http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/when-does-equality-flourish

...so it turns out that we're story telling hierarchical apes. Who knew?
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09 Jun 2016 18:04

Starstruck wrote:
rhubroma wrote:
the delgados wrote:
Starstruck wrote:
"Being" in the world requires some amount of intellectual exercise, no?


Of course but the most moral/ethical people I've ever known aren't trying to be Aristotle either. Usually they're very simple humans.


I can assure you I'm a very simple human being. According to some, I'm "simple' in more than one sense of the word.
I'm too simple to argue against.
I've spent many years earning a living trying to help others achieve some semblance of equality, but I've learned that some are either a) too busy trying to earn enough money to put a roof over their head rather than keep up with politics; or b) too stupid to listen.
I love the idea of anarchy in the true sense of the definition.
But yeah...


I've always understood anarchy as the rule of everyone, which would suit me, but there is the problem of prepotency. Sooner or later this status becomes Orwelian. Aphro's Stones' psychadelia was merely a commercial driven utopia.


i view it as the same old dream of a tribal/clan (150 people or less day to day) existence whereby personal responsibility makes everyone stronger to survive. Skills are past on as a matter of course (your old age depends on it as much as the younger generation). Autonomy and collective responsibility are a confluence. very few of us live in that sort of community these days obviously. Those that do are remote and overwhelmed by the natural world still; hardship and freedom are still the binary rather than comfort and security.

Still, it's a worthwhile thorn in the side to the hierarchical, patriarchal zoo we're accustomed to.


That's why I'd love to live in Iceland. I could be wrong, but that country seems to most resemble the notion you're describing.

re Pavlensky. Your prediction turns out to be correct (quelle surprise). Cops beat him to a pulp while in custody. Shattered kneecap and broken ribs.
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10 Jun 2016 03:27

I'm not really one for reality shows but I've been watching one called "alone".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4803766/

I started watching as it's filmed on Van. Isl, my home turf. Anyway, i recommend season 1 episode ten (episode one is pretty funny too, they're all all interesting actually).

Then watch something like this crosstalk and you'll notice quite a juxtaposition that illustrates my point rather well.
.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5nY8vzE8BQ

i just happened to finish episode 10 tonight and immediately watched that crosstalk after. Goofy.
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11 Jun 2016 20:36

Against Cynicism
A philosopher's brilliant reasons for living
https://newrepublic.com/article/113387/peter-sloterdijks-philosophy-gives-reasons-living

There's a very old and very simple therapy for all of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZWRnFTv4zo&list=PLob1mZcVWOajh6bjAS-I13a4bxu8vBsZW&index=122

The stories we're telling ourselves are madness. If you want to boil yourself down and learn/know what's essentially true...

Isolation, self reflection and nature are the healers. It's the emotions that get ya'.
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11 Jun 2016 23:02

Starstruck wrote:Against Cynicism
A philosopher's brilliant reasons for living
https://newrepublic.com/article/113387/peter-sloterdijks-philosophy-gives-reasons-living

There's a very old and very simple therapy for all of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZWRnFTv4zo&list=PLob1mZcVWOajh6bjAS-I13a4bxu8vBsZW&index=122

The stories we're telling ourselves are madness. If you want to boil yourself down and learn/know what's essentially true...

Isolation, self reflection and nature are the healers. It's the emotions that get ya'.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0745647693?pc_redir=T1&qid=1465683716&s=books&sr=1-4
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11 Jun 2016 23:47

aphronesis wrote:
Starstruck wrote:Against Cynicism
A philosopher's brilliant reasons for living
https://newrepublic.com/article/113387/peter-sloterdijks-philosophy-gives-reasons-living

There's a very old and very simple therapy for all of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZWRnFTv4zo&list=PLob1mZcVWOajh6bjAS-I13a4bxu8vBsZW&index=122

The stories we're telling ourselves are madness. If you want to boil yourself down and learn/know what's essentially true...

Isolation, self reflection and nature are the healers. It's the emotions that get ya'.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0745647693?pc_redir=T1&qid=1465683716&s=books&sr=1-4


I've spent plenty of time out in the wilds of Van. Isle tree planting, mushroom picking, and hiking/camping alone for up to 10 days at a time. The bears and wolves are a minor concern, the cougars are the great unknown - creepy. The weather; wet is wet, cold is cold. Food can be a problem but I always take rice and lentils and a mini stove. It's all the shite in your head that's the hardest. Dealing with your own story is brutal.

Hunger teaches one something, but rattling around in one's own thoughts is something else. The macro. isn't geo-politics, it's far more than that and we're so much smaller than that. These idiots that think they're in control are going to learn something about life. Just when they think they have it all standardized, defined, refined to their contrived specifications an almighty storm cuts loose.
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12 Jun 2016 00:49

There are multiplicities of macro. And in fact Sloterdijk enfolds your "geopolitics" into greater spheres of human experience as conceived to account for phenomena beyond the self.. But the fact that you seem unable or unwilling to let go of your "I" in any capacity tends to undercut much of what you propose as the extreme finitude of human relevance.
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aphronesis wrote:There are multiplicities of macro. And in fact Sloterdijk enfolds your "geopolitics" into greater spheres of human experience as conceived to account for phenomena beyond the self.. But the fact that you seem unable or unwilling to let go of your "I" in any capacity tends to undercut much of what you propose as the extreme finitude of human relevance.


The Anthropocene is definitely a Macro. but it's still subject to a far more powerful Macro. - nature, as much as we're generally (and you specifically) unwilling to acknowledge that. "I" is a manufactured conceit, like any bad habit. "I" am fully aware of this. Nature couldn't care less, it would wipe any of us out, or reintegrate us, in a heartbeat. Until one deconstructs the self there's no way to know that though. I know of no better way than isolation in overwhelming nature. That's a direct route, so "I" think you're missing what I'm saying.

Ultimately "I" don't really have much concern for what Sloterdijk is saying (or you) because only "I" can do it for myself, and nobody else can. That's the only rule.
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12 Jun 2016 01:20

Of course the "I" is a fiction. And since "we've" never discussed it you wouldn't really know "my" position on it. Would you like some reading or just some youtube videos where others do the heavy lifting for you? What you're saying was clear the first 50 times you rehearsed it. (Although some work on perception and 1st, 2nd and 3rd stage nature might help sharpen--or complicate-this primeval profundity) Insofar as "nature" is indifferent to you, it is equally indifferrent to your rehearsals and pronouncements of how you came to this sage conclusion. And yet there you are, staging your biography via technology.

Slight paradox.
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aphronesis wrote:Of course the "I" is a fiction. And since "we've" never discussed it you wouldn't really know "my" position on it. Would you like some reading or just some youtube videos where others do the heavy lifting for you? What you're saying was clear the first 50 times you rehearsed it. (Although some work on perception and 1st, 2nd and 3rd stage nature might help sharpen--or complicate-this primeval profundity) Insofar as "nature" is indifferent to you, it is equally indifferrent to your rehearsals and pronouncements of how you came to this sage conclusion. And yet there you are, staging your biography via technology.

Slight paradox.


You can provide whatever reading materials you wish, they'd be welcome. Your paranoid anarchy links are old hat though. I watch/listen to youtube videos lectures/talks while I'm painting and sculpting. I appreciate the information that's available regardless of the format. I do plenty of reading too.

!st, 2nd and 3rd stage nature, lol, wtf are you talking about - perception. Go out in the wild and talk about your ****** perceptions and see where they get you. Narcissistic, anthropocentric wankers prevail, for now. I can assure you "nature" is indifferent to your scribblings too.

You should reconcile the paradox via logic. Go ahead, you'd be the first in history.
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