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Gymnastics scandal in the United States

16 Dec 2016 06:29

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/12/15/20-year-toll-368-gymnasts-allege-sexual-exploitation/95198724/
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/15/usa-gymnastics-sexual-abuse-report
No one knows exactly how many children have been sexually exploited in America’s gyms over the past 20 years. But an IndyStar-USA TODAY Network review of hundreds of police files and court cases across the country provides for the first time a measure of just how pervasive the problem is.

At least 368 gymnasts have alleged some form of sexual abuse at the hands of their coaches, gym owners and other adults working in gymnastics. That’s a rate of one every 20 days. And it's likely an undercount.

IndyStar previously reported that top officials at USA Gymnastics, one of the nation’s most prominent Olympic organizations, failed to alert police to many allegations of sexual abuse that occurred on their watch and stashed complaints in files that have been kept secret. But the problem is far worse. A nine-month investigation found that predatory coaches were allowed to move from gym to gym, undetected by a lax system of oversight, or dangerously passed on by USA Gymnastics-certified gyms.
(So with the same type scandal in the UK's football (see http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38211167 ) it really is time to get these people away from sport and children)
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16 Dec 2016 08:32

Robert5091 wrote:http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/12/15/20-year-toll-368-gymnasts-allege-sexual-exploitation/95198724/
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/15/usa-gymnastics-sexual-abuse-report
No one knows exactly how many children have been sexually exploited in America’s gyms over the past 20 years. But an IndyStar-USA TODAY Network review of hundreds of police files and court cases across the country provides for the first time a measure of just how pervasive the problem is.

At least 368 gymnasts have alleged some form of sexual abuse at the hands of their coaches, gym owners and other adults working in gymnastics. That’s a rate of one every 20 days. And it's likely an undercount.

IndyStar previously reported that top officials at USA Gymnastics, one of the nation’s most prominent Olympic organizations, failed to alert police to many allegations of sexual abuse that occurred on their watch and stashed complaints in files that have been kept secret. But the problem is far worse. A nine-month investigation found that predatory coaches were allowed to move from gym to gym, undetected by a lax system of oversight, or dangerously passed on by USA Gymnastics-certified gyms.
(So with the same type scandal in the UK's football (see http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38211167 ) it really is time to get these people away from sport and children)



Well that is just....disturbing, to say the least. I hope there is a thorough investigation and all of those predators get punished.
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Re: Gymnastics scandal in the United States

21 Dec 2016 13:24

BullsFan22 wrote:
Robert5091 wrote:http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2016/12/15/20-year-toll-368-gymnasts-allege-sexual-exploitation/95198724/
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/dec/15/usa-gymnastics-sexual-abuse-report
No one knows exactly how many children have been sexually exploited in America’s gyms over the past 20 years. But an IndyStar-USA TODAY Network review of hundreds of police files and court cases across the country provides for the first time a measure of just how pervasive the problem is.

At least 368 gymnasts have alleged some form of sexual abuse at the hands of their coaches, gym owners and other adults working in gymnastics. That’s a rate of one every 20 days. And it's likely an undercount.

IndyStar previously reported that top officials at USA Gymnastics, one of the nation’s most prominent Olympic organizations, failed to alert police to many allegations of sexual abuse that occurred on their watch and stashed complaints in files that have been kept secret. But the problem is far worse. A nine-month investigation found that predatory coaches were allowed to move from gym to gym, undetected by a lax system of oversight, or dangerously passed on by USA Gymnastics-certified gyms.
(So with the same type scandal in the UK's football (see http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/38211167 ) it really is time to get these people away from sport and children)



Well that is just....disturbing, to say the least. I hope there is a thorough investigation and all of those predators get punished.


....this is just more of that PizzaGate conspiracy stuff....Merikans would never do something like this they cause they're just so exceptional....and besides this has Putin's fingerprints all over it....

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21 Dec 2016 15:24

This situation also occurs in ballet and other dance where there is typically a high amount of coach-student physical contact.

If coaches and instructors were prohibited from such 'touchy-feelly instructional contact' it would lessen the frequency of problems.
But it would also lessen the outcome of the instruction.

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21 Dec 2016 16:32

"Sexual touching of any part of the body, clothed or unclothed"

Is one part of the definition of sexual child abuse. So who determines when physical contact becomes sexual?
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21 Dec 2016 17:21

kingjr wrote:...
So who determines when physical contact becomes sexual?

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The actual 'determination' about a particular action is typically made by some legal or other 'authority figure'. And occurs 'after the fact'.

If the goal is to prevent such contact from occuring (rather than just punish afterwards), then it's important to understand what leads-up to it.

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21 Dec 2016 18:01

Actually the adult pedophile determines it, they have the "power" and "authority" and it isn't "defined" publicly, but usually behind closed doors although sometimes it's just blatant (Sandusky) and nobody sees nuthin'. Wherever children congregate so do those interested wrong.

I'll assume you're talking about "grooming", when talking about the lead up.

Hollywood sounds like a cesspool, in plain sight.
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The British seem far more courageous in confronting this despicable subject.
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21 Dec 2016 19:35

When I was a kid, the outcry was all about Little League coaches. Gymnastics allows even closer access as touching is more accepted as part of the 'coaching' process. The people doing this are beyond despicable.
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21 Dec 2016 19:57

Joe Rogan On Pedophilia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMSo7yHK5Ek

The documentary they're talking about:
The Paedophile Next Door
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft9QKPku6ho

The dark side of the sexual revolution:
Secret History : Kinsey's Pedophiles
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcHf0htQ5LI
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22 Dec 2016 00:30

Starstruck wrote:...
I'll assume you're talking about "grooming", when talking about the lead up.
...

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No, not talking about any type of planned or intentional actions with a specific 'goal', only the typical coach-student interactions that are associated with the activity/sport.

In many (most?) cases the people involved seem to reach a level of contact and familiarity that isn't considered 'abuse' by them or others.

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22 Dec 2016 01:30

JayKosta wrote:
Starstruck wrote:...
I'll assume you're talking about "grooming", when talking about the lead up.
...

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No, not talking about any type of planned or intentional actions with a specific 'goal', only the typical coach-student interactions that are associated with the activity/sport.

In many (most?) cases the people involved seem to reach a level of contact and familiarity that isn't considered 'abuse' by them or others.

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Fair enough, except we're talking about child exploitation, sexual abuse, not constructive instruction. Adults/adolescents don't start having overwhelming desires to have sex with children out of the blue. They obsess and plan. That's the most vile aspect in many ways, these pervs. twist healthy interaction into a demented black hole. Welcome to the underground (or the dark web, as the case may be). I wish I knew nothing about it but once seen it's obvious and unavoidable. We meet regularly though there's no schedule required. Obvious is obvious. An ongoing not so serendipity.

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22 Dec 2016 11:28

kingjr wrote:"Sexual touching of any part of the body, clothed or unclothed"

Is one part of the definition of sexual child abuse. So who determines when physical contact becomes sexual?


It's pretty obvious.
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22 Dec 2016 12:24

This ontop of the abuse scandals in swimming, the ongoing one in the UK (football) and many others.

Throw in the WADA issues, the IOC and FIFA corruption.

Its like sport is going through a very very dark place. Whatever comes out the other side may not be recognisable.
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22 Dec 2016 15:01

Starstruck wrote:...
we're talking about child exploitation, sexual abuse, not constructive instruction. Adults/adolescents don't start having overwhelming desires to have sex with children out of the blue. They obsess and plan.
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Yes, I agree there are predatory exploitors as you mention.
The goal is how to prevent such exploitation BEFORE IT HAPPENS.

In cases of 'no warning' physical violence, prevention is difficult for vulnerable victims.

But in other cases there ARE warning signs of improper behaviour, and those 'signs' need to be recognized by everyone involved. And people need to know how to stop it before it turns to exploitation.
I doubt there are any 'easy answers' because at that 'first indication' point, there is an exisiting bond of trust, and perhaps dependence and some amount of affection involved.

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26 Dec 2016 20:12

^Signs of grooming. Pre-Crime is a comforting fantasy though.
The willingness/courage "to go there".
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27 Dec 2016 01:27

There is a whole lot of spotting (i.e. helping) a fellow gymnast out, especially when they are not feeling particularly confident about executing a certain trick. (You stand by them and touch their hips, their legs, or remind them to point their toes...)


This is very different from touching them in their very private spaces, though. (None of my coaches ever did that.)
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28 Dec 2016 13:14

I wouldn't be surprised if this happens in figure skating as well. Just like gymnastics and dance, there's a lot of young people, touching as part of the coaching and training, and the perception of innocence and purity in the beauty of the sport.
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25 Jan 2018 07:28

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jan/24/larry-nassar-sentenced-sexual-abuse-gymnastics
The former USA Gymnastics team doctor Larry Nassar has been sentenced to between 40 and 175 years in prison for abusing athletes in his care.

Judge Rosemarie Aquilina reached her decision after a sentence hearing that heard from dozens of women and girls, including the Olympic champions Aly Raisman and McKayla Maroney.

Nassar had already admitted in November to molesting seven girls in his care under the guise of treatment. But a total of 156 girls and women came forward to speak at the seven-day sentencing hearing, saying they had also suffered abuse at his hands, with two dozen more submitting private letters to the court.

Late on Wednesday, the president of Michigan State University, where Nassar also treated athletes, said on Wednesday she was tendering her resignation. Lou Anna Simon had faced a barrage of criticism for not doing enough to halt the abuse by the doctor, including a scathing front-page editorial by the independent student newspaper that cast “Simon, her appointees and cheerleaders” as “enablers”.

“As tragedies are politicized, blame is inevitable. As president, it is only natural that I am the focus of this anger,” Simon said in her resignation letter.

Judge Aquilina told Nassar Wednesday: “It is my honor to sentence you because, sir, you do not deserve to walk outside of a prison ever again. Anywhere you walk, destruction would occur to those most vulnerable.”

She added: “I just signed your death warrant.”


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42811304
The judge dismissed Nassar's attempted apology as insincere, saying he would "be in darkness the rest of his life".

Nassar pleaded guilty to 10 counts of sexual assault against girls and young women, including Olympians.

The 54-year-old had already been sentenced to 60 years for possession of child pornography.
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25 Jan 2018 07:32

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29 Jan 2018 07:10

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/usa-gymnastics-orange-county-register.php
...another paper has been investigating USA Gymnastics for over a decade. The Orange County Register wasn’t mentioned by Povilaitis, but veteran staff writer Scott Reid has been reporting on the “Darwinian system” within USA Gymnastics for more than 13 years.

His two major investigations—in 2004 and 2011—on abuse within the sport were overshadowed, first by news about doping by several professional athletes and later by revelations about Jerry Sandusky—the Penn State assistant football coach who was found guilty of molesting several young boys. Reid wonders what would have happened if his 2004 investigation into physical abuse of gymnasts had received more attention. “If people had really started to take a hard look, that was 13 years ago, then I think a lot of this would have been avoided.”
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In addition to reporting on LA’s Olympic bid and the NFL’s relocation to LA, Reid has also led investigations into the International Olympic Committee, the US Department of Education, the California Legislature, and incidents of abuse by USA Swimming coaches. “I think in terms of scandals, [USA Swimming is] on par with USA Gymnastics,” he says. “Just the neglect and the culture that created these abusive coaches. There’s not a Nassar-figure we’ve found so far, but I think eventually it points to the [US Olympic Committee].”
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